|
zzripz
Stranger


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 8,292
Loc: Manchester, UK
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: Alonzo]
#23614204 - 09/05/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Alonzo said: We're so intelligent a species.
Why do we fight one another and not have world peace? Why? 
depends what you mean by intelligence?
|
Alonzo
Stranger

Registered: 08/06/16
Posts: 30
Last seen: 5 years, 10 months
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: zzripz]
#23614759 - 09/05/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Maybe the reason we don't have world peace yet is because we have people who don't want world peace. Maybe ending all war and strife is not a no. 1 priority for them or something. Our intelligence is our greatest gift, what sets us apart from other animals. Knowing we don't have to kill or deliberately inflict suffering on any person of our race, why then do people do it? It just doesn't make sense to me.
|
nuentoter
conduit



Registered: 09/17/08
Posts: 2,721
Last seen: 7 years, 21 days
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: Alonzo]
#23614989 - 09/05/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Intelligence is not spread uniformly across us, the man with less gains envy and greed over the next, the man with more sees the next as exploitable.
Sloth & greed
--------------------
The geometry of us is no chance. We are antennae, we are tuning forks, we are receiver and transmitters of all energy. We are more than we know. - @entheolove "I found I could say things with color and shapes that I couldn't say any other way - things I had no words for" - Georgia O'Keefe I think the word is vagina
|
Jokeshopbeard
Humble Student

Registered: 11/30/11
Posts: 26,088
Loc: Deep in the system
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: pineninja]
#23615909 - 09/05/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
pineninja said: Does a tree question its existence. Are we superior because we do. A life yet no feelings. As important as me and as you.
Why dont they destroy each other.
Actually they kinda do. Watch David Attenborough's 'The private life of plants' for elucidation.
Also, have you seen how aggressively coral attacks its neighbouring coral?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
|
pineninja
Dream Weaver



Registered: 08/17/14
Posts: 12,468
Loc: South
|
|
If they were ultimately successful in their endeavors there would only be one type of coral....inately they seem to know without each other they could not exist......symbiosis.
-------------------- Just a fool on the hill.
|
Crumist
Stranger


Registered: 11/02/13
Posts: 781
Last seen: 7 years, 1 month
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: pineninja]
#23616637 - 09/05/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Humans still come in a variety of shapes, sizes, and colors despite plenty of animosity over the years and a couple of earnest attempts to get rid of the others.
-------------------- 'I am all for resources being allocated to the widowed single mother of 3, lost husband over seas fighting for our country. I am for vets getting mental health access and resources following war. I am not for free money cause a woman can't close her legs or some chump with low testosterone no going to work cause "i'm sad."' -finalexplosion Nice knowin ya'll! https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23904704/vc/1#23904704
|
beforethedawn
Registered: 06/19/16
Posts: 1,859
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: Crumist]
#23616653 - 09/05/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
We are all the same being.
Ego is a kind of insanity.
Because we are all the same being, there's only You to make a difference, to fix it.
-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
|
AuroraBorealis88
Stranger


Registered: 05/06/16
Posts: 5,871
Last seen: 5 years, 2 months
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: Alonzo]
#23635599 - 09/11/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Alonzo said: Why do we fight one another and not have world peace? Why? 
Lack of boundary dissolution
|
laughingdog
Stranger

Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
|
|
Quote:
AuroraBorealis88 said:
Quote:
Alonzo said: Why do we fight one another and not have world peace? Why? 
Lack of boundary dissolution
could put shoe on other foot
why should we have world peace?
over 50 % of species parasitic
most of nature is totally brutal, - don't believe me?
then see for example:
http://winace.courageunfettered.com/designed_organisms/
or
Mother Nature Is Trying to Kill You: A Lively Tour Through the Dark Side of the Natural World Reprint Edition by Dan Riskin Ph.D. (Author)
or
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brain+controlling+parasites
And humans much as it may upset their view of themselves are no different from the rest of it, (with the exception, loosely speaking of a few "saint" and Stephen Hawking types). Relatively small demographics tread the paths of, meditation, psychedlics, & shamanism, but how many realize a permanent state of unshakeable compassion and deep insight?
|
nuentoter
conduit



Registered: 09/17/08
Posts: 2,721
Last seen: 7 years, 21 days
|
|
Quote:
laughingdog said:
Quote:
AuroraBorealis88 said:
Quote:
Alonzo said: Why do we fight one another and not have world peace? Why? 
Lack of boundary dissolution
could put shoe on other foot
why should we have world peace?
over 50 % of species parasitic
most of nature is totally brutal, - don't believe me?
then see for example:
http://winace.courageunfettered.com/designed_organisms/
or
Mother Nature Is Trying to Kill You: A Lively Tour Through the Dark Side of the Natural World Reprint Edition by Dan Riskin Ph.D. (Author)
or
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brain+controlling+parasites
And humans much as it may upset their view of themselves are no different from the rest of it, (with the exception, loosely speaking of a few "saint" and Stephen Hawking types). Relatively small demographics tread the paths of, meditation, psychedlics, & shamanism, but how many realize a permanent state of unshakeable compassion and deep insight?
How is Stephen Hawkins (seeing him as an example of an apex male in one of the defining traits of our species) different than one of the fastest peregrine falcons? Or the best camouflaged Underwing moth (we have then here and they are beautiful in flight, Crazy natural camo)?
Just animals doing what we do like any other, survive and thrive. The way we do it though, has been fucking shit up at an alarmingly increasing rate and ever increasing scope. Severity of action and desensitization through cultural and social pressure and simple conditioning from mentalities that stand out from the crowd, unfortunately the loud peaceful types are far outnumbered by the loud upset/indifferent/ineffectual/whatever is across their ass today is everyone else's problem, kinda people. This creates our experience of what people are like much too often.
This says something about our collective. Not something to be proud of that things are fuckin up and it's all our fault we allow it and not our fault because we didn't start it, we were handed it, and fumbled. It sucks.
Does this mean though that we shouldn't try something like peace? Because what we've been doing isn't peaceful, and look where we are and what we're doing man. Could it really be that bad?
And when I say peace, I don't mean this weird utopia fantasy shit, I mean simply finding a sustainable rhythm in our environment. This will only happen over time beyond my life, but why not have a goal of not fucking up a whole bunch of people or scorching the earth?
--------------------
The geometry of us is no chance. We are antennae, we are tuning forks, we are receiver and transmitters of all energy. We are more than we know. - @entheolove "I found I could say things with color and shapes that I couldn't say any other way - things I had no words for" - Georgia O'Keefe I think the word is vagina
|
laughingdog
Stranger

Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: nuentoter]
#23637184 - 09/11/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
you may have misunderstood me I have nothing against being peaceful but I do not expect the world to be peaceful, free of suffering, etc. such an expectation seems unrealistic, and therefore adds to suffering, but that doesn't mean we have an excuse for being nasty, imo; on the contrary being kind seems appropriate.
I was only reiterating... just a simple reminder of a well known point, as some seem to forget it.
the world is as it is, if one makes a big deal of not liking the way it is, then what is - is - personal emotional upset, which would not seem to help one to be an effective agent of intelligent change. If I ever need surgery, I hope the doctor, has an unemotional detached attitude.
|
nuentoter
conduit



Registered: 09/17/08
Posts: 2,721
Last seen: 7 years, 21 days
|
|
I did not misunderstand, I agree, but anytime I find myself getting firmly planted on any idea, I question. I question myself, my knowledge, my source, my feelings, others reactions, their feelings, their knowledge, their source, and so on and on, so few answers in life but so many exciting and intriguing questions, and paths that follow.
--------------------
The geometry of us is no chance. We are antennae, we are tuning forks, we are receiver and transmitters of all energy. We are more than we know. - @entheolove "I found I could say things with color and shapes that I couldn't say any other way - things I had no words for" - Georgia O'Keefe I think the word is vagina
|
nuentoter
conduit



Registered: 09/17/08
Posts: 2,721
Last seen: 7 years, 21 days
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: nuentoter]
#23637318 - 09/11/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Too often I see people consider themselves as above animal. We are animal.
But
I do not understand why this is seen as underwhelming or negative, which happens often as well. We are each special. Individual and unique. But as a whole there is not anymore difference to be seen than between individual ants on a large hill.
I find it incredibly reassuring that we are animals, another beast. We fit in then. It means we do have a place, we were never banished from Eden (metaphorical reference only, not a religious belief), we simply, collectively, chose. This means if we have a place, we can belong, we can coexist, and we can choose. We can choose not to be the parasite. We can choose whatever role we want (closest I've come to answering op so far). That ability to choose, makes us intelligent, still does not make our intelligent decision (survive and thrive) a wise one, especially in the long run.
Very short-sighted.
We are kakapo.
--------------------
The geometry of us is no chance. We are antennae, we are tuning forks, we are receiver and transmitters of all energy. We are more than we know. - @entheolove "I found I could say things with color and shapes that I couldn't say any other way - things I had no words for" - Georgia O'Keefe I think the word is vagina
|
laughingdog
Stranger

Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: nuentoter]
#23637988 - 09/12/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nuentoter said: ... but anytime I find myself getting firmly planted on any idea, I question. I question myself, my knowledge, my source, my feelings, others reactions, their feelings, their knowledge, their source, and so on and on, so few answers in life but so many exciting and intriguing questions, and paths that follow.
I agree, a questioning/wondering attitude makes/keeps life interesting. So many want a one size fits all answer, where as what is true today, or in one circumstance, or from one view point may not be so tomorrow, or in another circumstance, or from another point of view.
A well known person who tried new things was Picasso. He seems to have enjoyed himself.
|
Love_spirit
Circle Of Power



Registered: 07/18/15
Posts: 1,208
Last seen: 7 months, 27 days
|
Re: We're so intelligent [Re: Alonzo]
#23637995 - 09/12/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Intelligent compared to what?
|
RJ Tubs 202


Registered: 09/20/08
Posts: 6,016
Loc: USA
Last seen: 14 hours, 48 minutes
|
|
Quote:
laughingdog said:
I was only reiterating...
just a simple reminder of a well known point,
as some seem to forget it.
the world is as it is,
|
funkymonk22
In Service to the Ineffable..



Registered: 01/25/16
Posts: 469
Loc: The Big O
|
|
i think at this stage, war is inevitable. the world is way over-populated and until we learn that every woman should only have one natural born child it will remain that way..war is necessary for us to digest ourselves..the more humans we create the more death we will have..i feel this is one reason peace cannot be achieved, although there are others as well
--------------------
  "The clouds didn't look like cotton, they didn't even look like clouds.."-Townes Van Zandt
|
DividedQuantum
Outer Head


Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,819
|
|
Quote:
funkymonk22 said: i think at this stage, war is inevitable. the world is way over-populated and until we learn that every woman should only have one natural born child it will remain that way..war is necessary for us to digest ourselves..the more humans we create the more death we will have..i feel this is one reason peace cannot be achieved, although there are others as well
I think you're probably right.
-------------------- Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici
|
funkymonk22
In Service to the Ineffable..



Registered: 01/25/16
Posts: 469
Loc: The Big O
|
|
its not an original idea, ive heard similar things said somewhere..i think one of them was kathleen harrison, terence mckenna's ex wife. she is highly intelligent, she has a few good lectures on youtube
--------------------
  "The clouds didn't look like cotton, they didn't even look like clouds.."-Townes Van Zandt
|
pineninja
Dream Weaver



Registered: 08/17/14
Posts: 12,468
Loc: South
|
|
War or atleast the notion of it may be necessary for relative peace.
-------------------- Just a fool on the hill.
|
|