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trg64
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have you already seen something like this?
#23610131 - 09/04/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hi everybody,
i'm back to growing shrooms after a while.. So i started from a mexican PC spore print, made a spore seringe -> BRF cake -> home made dutch growkit style terrarium.
I did the BRF kindof from my memories, i just forgot that big jars might stall, so I had pins in the jar while it was still colonizing. Scraped the uncolonized stuff out, dunk & roll, terrarium, and mist 3 times a day, without venting. Temp was fluctuating from 60 to 90 as I am in a truck.
This is what I got after 10 days.
 smell is good, the "moss" smells like PC mycelium, if i tear a bit off and roll it between my fingers, it becomes blue, so i guess it must be PC mycelium expanding..
Anybody got some experiences of this kind or have some idea why it might be like this?
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: trg64]
#23610315 - 09/04/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Low FAE you say your not venting how are you getting fresh air in? I'm not familiar with your set up so sorry for the ignorance The sgfc is always the best way with cakes I'm not sure what you mean by moss smell in my mind that would be a damp moldy smell it should smell exactly like mushrooms my cakes smell that way from birth and only gets more mushroomy the more mature it get, I'm guessing that would be another indicator of low air flow
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23610325 - 09/04/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like a very unhappy cake.
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trg64
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23610877 - 09/04/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Looks like a very unhappy cake.
I know (even though my empathy for this guy is rather inhibited by the fact that i'm puzzled when i look at it), I'm trying to find what is missing, or what I am doing wrong, from the look it has.
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mrmazdarx9 said: Low FAE you say your not venting how are you getting fresh air in? I'm not familiar with your set up so sorry for the ignorance The sgfc is always the best way with cakes I'm not sure what you mean by moss smell in my mind that would be a damp moldy smell it should smell exactly like mushrooms my cakes smell that way from birth and only gets more mushroomy the more mature it get, I'm guessing that would be another indicator of low air flow
when I did it from a kit few years ago, the set up was this: growkit and I got a fair amount from it. So my conclusion was that the set-up was working.
Here is my set-up now (sorry for the bad pic):
 RH is 85% after a few hours without misting, oxygen intake is made through micropore tape on the upper part of the bag, like i had on a growkit.
What I understood from the venting after the misting, was that it's purpose was to evaporate the small droplets that fell on the cake. (might be that i'm far from the truth)
Since my cakes do not look like all of the ones I see here on the forum, i worry "What about that white stuff growing through and around the vermiculite??"
So my thoughts to solve the enigma was: 1 - is it contam or mycelium? -->since the smell of the cake is good fresh mushroomy smell, since that white stuff is bruising, and since when i tear some off, it smells like all the PC i have smelled, my conclusion is: this is no contam
2 - then, second question, if it is mycelium, why is it spreading through the verm like this?? -->could it be too much water? -->could it be lack of fresh air? -->is there anyone in the world who could tell me: "yeah man, when youve got something like this, it is a clear symptom of too much of that, the mycelium is trying to compensate it by growing like this."
By the way Last year with oyster I had the same problem, but never had the conclusion:

Basically I'm trying to understand the life of this guy and what he is living right now, so that I can fix something if there is a need. And I would need a teacher on that 
So, FAE problem?
Edited by trg64 (09/04/16 10:24 AM)
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: trg64]
#23610902 - 09/04/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The second pic has nowhere near enough holes in the tub that's why the cake looks like that as I said before low to no FAE is the cause
 That's how it should look
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23610913 - 09/04/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes low FAE is the problem, you dont want high RH you want fluctuating RH. that 1 cake chamber looks pretty bad, at least poke or melt some holes in that bag.
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: spacechildo]
#23611263 - 09/04/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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so basically they suffocate, and CO2 is a heavy gas, so you want holes a the bottom too..
thanks guys
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: trg64]
#23611269 - 09/04/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nope, co2 doesn't sink. It mixes with air immediately and doesn't settle out. Otherwise all brewery and wine workers would die and pedestrians near cars. Or anyone in a valley
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23611272 - 09/04/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or the world everyone breathing out I'm guessing it'll build pretty quick
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23611329 - 09/04/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm shocked how popular of a conclusion it is that CO2 sinks.
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23611335 - 09/04/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Nope, co2 doesn't sink. It mixes with air immediately and doesn't settle out. Otherwise all brewery and wine workers would die and pedestrians near cars. Or anyone in a valley
Or anyone on earth really.
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trg64
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23611367 - 09/04/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Nope, co2 doesn't sink. It mixes with air immediately and doesn't settle out. Otherwise all brewery and wine workers would die and pedestrians near cars. Or anyone in a valley
haha yeah true
so i raised the cake for nothing

anyway, it looks nicer now, if this fails i buy a box and perlite or i give it a go at pastywhite's invitro straw..
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: trg64]
#23611643 - 09/04/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because technically by periodic table measurements co2 has a heavier atomic mass than oxygen. I do believe that when co2 drastically out numbers O2 it goes down for the most part but it still will bring some oxygen down with it cause like you said it mixes
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: KingM3]
#23614977 - 09/05/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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indeed it was a FAE issue.
It seems much better now, the mycelium growth has stopped, pins show up and existing ones got a big boost, thank you guys.
 So the story I made myself as a conclusion to this, about learning about the life of these beings:
 imagine you are a mushroom, you run out of food, you get the rain, you know it is time to reproduce because you might not have this opportunity twice, but you don't have fresh air. What do you do? you use your energy to get to the fresh air, even if you don't know where it is. You grow not to get food, but to get some fresh air. If you could grow branches you would. if you have to make your way through rocks to get fresh air, you will. If you have to grow up through air to get out of that "dead air" pocket, you will..
looking back at all the pics of my "weird cakes", i got the feeling that this story could help explain the shapes and texture and that surge of mycelium growth towards the outside after the water intake.
I might update the story one day, but for now that is the best I have. I'm curious what you think of it??
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: trg64]
#23614988 - 09/05/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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if it makes sense to you...i get what you mean tho.
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: KingM3]
#23615001 - 09/05/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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KingM3 said: Because technically by periodic table measurements co2 has a heavier atomic mass than oxygen. I do believe that when co2 drastically out numbers O2 it goes down for the most part but it still will bring some oxygen down with it cause like you said it mixes
ok let's clear some shit up... Yes in a environment where air is still eventually it will concentrate lower..this true. However stale air is more of a problem then high Co2. ..this is also true. One thing people often overlook thought is the fact that a fruiting substrate doesn't put out much Co2 at all...this happens during colonizing which is why I say stale air is the bigger issue. The bigger issue here is the verm it is siting on and trying to colonize.
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: cronicr]
#23615066 - 09/05/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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In large tanks co2 is usually found at the top in higher concentration measured with co2 meters. Say like a Budweiser 1000HL tank. The co2 holds kinetic energy(heat) longer so it rises to the top. But there's convection in tanks that big from temperature stratification outside the tank. Usually they're full and glycol chilled but the sealed tank co2 is counter intuitive too depending on the tank
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Re: have you already seen something like this? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23640340 - 09/12/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not so bad after all, venting and misting 2 to 3 times a days, switched to a SGFC without perlite, injected a seringe of sterilised water every 3 days. Thanks guys 

Edited by trg64 (09/13/16 02:49 PM)
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