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SyzygisticSoul
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Looking for support
#23609698 - 09/03/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Been living and dealing with my drug addicted wife for 2 years now. It started with pain killer but now she takes everything that will numb and kill emotion and sobriety. It has progressively gotten worse and now it's completely out of hand.
She got kicked out of rehab last month for swapping medication, then relapsed two weeks later. She complains about migraine headaches and the doctor prescribed her vanatol which she is now abusing. Her family has given up on her and has told me to take her to a shelter. I can not give up on her but I hate constantly seeing her strung out and mumbling bullshit. I find that I can't trust a word she says cause she is constantly lying about everything.
She is currently passed out beside me all drugged up in bed. I don't want to give up on her but I'm losing my sanity with this shit. I could really use some supportive words right about now.
Edited by SyzygisticSoul (09/03/16 10:58 PM)
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Are you a user yourself?
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PM me about this, I have recently been through very, very similar. Just out the other side, it nearly killed me. I have free international phonecalls next 2 weeks so maybe we can have a talk about it, if you feel it would help.
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I do not use. I don't even drink.
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Give her an ultimatum.
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Re: Looking for support [Re: 1234go]
#23609757 - 09/03/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks Jokeshopbeard, I'm def going to take you up on that. I feel so damn hopeless right now
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Ahh this sounds real difficult, one of those threads you wana offer help but all i can say, is you can only help someone when they want to be helped sadly i havent dealt with drug addiction, but ive seen alcohol addiction first hand. Very hard to deal with.
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SyzygisticSoul said: Thanks Jokeshopbeard, I'm def going to take you up on that. I feel so damn hopeless right now
Alright man, PM me and we'll sort some convenient times and dates to share our woes in life, and help each other through the hard times. Make sure you have a coffee on standby, my convos with shroomerites often run into the 3-4 hour mark...
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I went to send you a PM but accidentally pressed block PM how do I unblock pm?
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Not sure, but I can't reply to yours. It says 'This user is not accepting private messages.'
You might need to PM Ythan, Asante, or Geokills to get that fixed man. Looks like you made a schoolboy error on that click!
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Re: Looking for support [Re: koods]
#23609885 - 09/04/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn, I just hoofed some 3-MeO-PCE, now I'm all confused about technical stuff. You know where to find me OP!!!!
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I successfully unblocked it, but will probably wait till tomorrow to message you; too drained from babysitting her all day
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Next fortnight, I got free international calls. We'll sort shit out brother, no rush.
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Sorry to hear that man, the truth is, there is no easy way of helping an addict.
She has to want it herself and more than that, she has to want it BAD because she is gonna go through ALOT of pain to achieve sobriety.
After that the battle is far from over.
I really feel bad for you because you don't use and from the sounds of it your girlfriend is yet another victim of the pharmaceutical industry. Unless she used before and for recreational reasons.
if not, she's not the first one to become a drug addict after injury and she won't be the last.
I'm an addict myself and struggle with heroin addiction. There is no helping me and anyone who tries only ends up hurt.
I really hope she isn't too far gone.
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She is currently passed out beside me all drugged up in bed.
How does she look to you? Is she your everything? Do you love her?
Man i really feel for you and i wish you the best but my most honest answer is that it doesn't look good.
And this doesn't mean she doesn't care about you. When you say you can't believe anything she says, really think about that for a second. As far as her usage and misbehaving, you are probably right. But if she says stuff like " i don't mean to be this way" or "its not becasue i don't care about you" or even "i love you" she probably means it.
Alot of times we lie to our loved ones because we are ashamed. I could be walked in on shooting up heroin but my initial reaction would still be to lie to my loved one probably because subconsciously i want them to believe me if only to spare them the pain of seeing a loved one slowly perish in such a senseless way.
Think of it like this, she has had her reward system hijacked to the extent that it prioritizes the drug before food or sleep and unfortunately, relationships. This is not a failing of her character it's a physiological phenomena. I guess my point is, be firm, but try not to be too hard on her.
Nobody wants to be this way and once it happens it's statistically unlikely you'll ever be the same again. Less than 20% of people who get addicted to opiates manage to stay off of them for good.I'll pray for her and you as well.
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Re: Looking for support [Re: Apostle]
#23610142 - 09/04/16 04:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Check out The Health Recovery Center ( healthrecovery.com ). They treat addiction as a biochemical disorder and get MUCH better results than the conventional methods.
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Re: Looking for support [Re: ruaware]
#23610465 - 09/04/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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more understanding
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Sorry to hear it brother
Good on you for not giving up tho
Every situation is unique so it's hard to pin down a solution, but a scenery change sometimes helps addicts
If she could channel that energy into a new passion, perhaps a career or a hobby she loves she might be able to leave the drugs behind
Not knowing the underlying issues and not knowing the situation first hand also makes it hard to give advice, but she's your wife you obviously loved her enough to marry her so I hope she can change things around and you both can be happy
Sry that's all I got, just wanted to send some good vibes man
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Re: Looking for support [Re: 1234go] 2
#23610589 - 09/04/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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1234go said: Give her an ultimatum.
she'll probably snort that like she does everything else
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Quote:
SyzygisticSoul said: Been living and dealing with my drug addicted wife for 2 years now. It started with pain killer but now she takes everything that will numb and kill emotion and sobriety. It has progressively gotten worse and now it's completely out of hand.
She got kicked out of rehab last month for swapping medication, then relapsed two weeks later. She complains about migraine headaches and the doctor prescribed her vanatol which she is now abusing. Her family has given up on her and has told me to take her to a shelter. I can not give up on her but I hate constantly seeing her strung out and mumbling bullshit. I find that I can't trust a word she says cause she is constantly lying about everything.
She is currently passed out beside me all drugged up in bed. I don't want to give up on her but I'm losing my sanity with this shit. I could really use some supportive words right about now.
A GOOD place to start is by regulating her diet. Organic, preservative free foods bring some of the balance that the anxiety-provoking, sleep-depriving preservatives have left one's body and brain in.
You would be surprised. I went cold turkey once from op's, and was four days in, eating natural food, and unusually comfortable, taking a shot of top shelf whiskey here and there, some herbs like valerian and Kratom. I ate some fast food with someone, and within ten minutes, my body was sweating, my heart palpitating, and I wanted to go score so badly. I mean, I did, but I went back to all natural foods and ended up kicking with the help of said herbs.
You can confuse the mind of the junkie if you know how. Get some Bali Kratom (the dopiest and cheapest,) and make her drinks with honey and whatnot, not gross to the palate.
Also valerian, passionflower, and if you wanna get sneaky, throw something not too strong in them sometimes. Phenobarbital in low levels, or some longer-lasting benzo. Only do this last part if she is starting to lose it with all the herbal stuff. Keep all your herbs locked in a lock box, and insist they are just herbs no matter how you swing the cocktail.
She will begin to come to grips with the heavier Kratom doses, and that stuff, I swear is stronger than dope on the street if taken in larger amounts. And I've been using for 10+ years.
Do some research. Where you live, you can always get Kratom from those wholesale websites with independent suppliers looking for mass-shipments. You may need to get 10 or 100 kilograms, but how much is your wife's life worth?
Just my 
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Kratom isn't stronger than dope. If I take it in large doses I just get sick and dizzy in a very unpleasant way. I'll never nod from it. I always said that it will get me as high as 30mg oxycodone, but compared to dope it is like taking $5-$10 worth at it's best, and any more doesn't increase the opiate effects it just makes it more dysphoric.
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles Syz. On the one hand I never would have made it as an addict without people who stick by me through some pretty fucked up shit, but on the other hand I know that all the love and goodwill in the world won't stop us sometimes.
I think getting away can help sometimes. I took a vacation recently and it really help kinda reset my thought process a bit, get some time to really think about it. Every days still a struggle though, and I expect it always will be on some level. It's not like there's something you can do or offer to an addict that will stop addiction.
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I think it's been generally accepted that the active ingredients are indeed powerful opiods that are similar to morphine in potency.
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Re: Looking for support [Re: Apostle]
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I don't mean to be insensitive, but compulsive lying is one of the big red flags for psychopathy. My use of this word over its synonyms (malignant narcissism, sociopathy or anti-social personality disorder) is intentional as they're all describing the same symptoms. Does she display other traits like theft, charm, cheating, inability to hold a job, or need to control others? Did she pressure you to accelerate commitment (marriage) and the merging of assets?
Admittedly, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about drug addiction or drug abuse, so maybe others on this forum might find her symptoms matching better with other diagnosis or diseases (drug abuse is a disease, not a crime). Its just that your mentioning constant lying had my ears perk up. Did she lie prior to her drug abuse spiraling out of hand? I always say that, no we can't just diagnose someone as a psychopath right on the spot - but psychopath or not, a liar is not someone you want to be involved with in any case.
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Re: Looking for support [Re: Apostle]
#23611987 - 09/04/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you to everyone who has taken time out of your day to give advice, insight and send good vibes. She truly is my everything and I am her's. Even during her darkest moments and heaviest withdrawls, doctors, nurses, rehab clinical workers and her family tell me that I am the name she calls out for for help. That she always just says she needs and wants me by her side at all times. I know she isn't lying to and hurting me on purpose, it just gets very taxing. I wish I could take all her negative feelings and urges away from her. I truly appreciate everyone's comments and am taking all into consideration. I do believe diet, exercise, and a more organic lifestyle would greatly help her; I work 60hrs a week but really wish I could be with her through the day to help her make the right decisions and show her how to live a better life.
Edited by SyzygisticSoul (09/04/16 05:05 PM)
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Diet definitely helps and being adequately hydrated helps reduce the severity of withdrawl in my experience.
It was very heart warming to read what you wrote.
Maybe if you poured yourself out to her and showed how concerned you were, shed a tear or two, then it migh make her realize how much she means to you and how painful it is to watch her deteriorate.
I miss being in love and i hope it works out for you two.
You are a good man for sticking by her side.
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Re: Looking for support [Re: Apostle]
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Apostle said: I think it's been generally accepted that the active ingredients are indeed powerful opiods that are similar to morphine in potency.
Kratom as a whole is neither potent or a strong opioid. It may have active chemicals that are potent when extracted, but those are still not powerful opioids in terms of sedation an analgesia.
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If you find a strain with high amounts of 7-h-mitragynine, it's just as good as tooting some dope, better in fact.
I've never wrecked a vehicle from all-out noddy-dizzyness from a shot of dope. I have off a heroic dose of hard to find Bali though.
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Heroin doesn't make me dizzy, and it is much worse to puke from taking too much kratom compared to traditional opiates.
I have an above average tolerance tho. I would say it is sort of close to how high I can get off suboxone, and I know people with no tolerance get wrecked off suboxone. Kratom has less side effects tho, and is much easier to stop. I think it really is the miracle drug that people in recovery sometimes make suboxone out to be.
I kinda suspect that doctors will see the precipitated withdrawal that occurs with suboxone a benefit. They like the pain someone will suffer from disobeying doctors.
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moonrockmushy said: It may have active chemicals that are potent when extracted, but those are still not powerful opioids in terms of sedation an analgesia.
The chemicals ARE potent though. All the extraction does is isolate these potent chemicals it isn't making them stronger . As far as whether or not they are powerful opiods in terms of sedation and analgesia i guess we have to rely mostly on anecdotal reports for now(though i believe studies have been done and if i recall correctly it was about on par with morphine in analgesic effects).
Going off of anectdotal experience though, i am in the same boat as the poster above you and have gotten nods off of kratom that rival some of my strongest heroin experiences. Same goes for its effect on my lower back pain. In fact i found it to be an excellent pain killer even when it failed to get me high.
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Re: Looking for support [Re: zSDMF]
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I hate to be the one to rain on any parade you may have envisioned....But, she has got to want to stop if she doesn't want to ....she won't, and will more than likely take you down with her. This is from someone who has worked with alcoholic/ addicts for 17 years and has witnessed my own significant other refuse to stop drinking alcoholically. I had to leave her and since then her own son and daughter have had to cut ties UNTIL SHE WANTS TO PROCEED WITH TREATMENT. NOBODY ever stops that doesn't want to...PERIOD.
From what I have seen....sometimes they will make that decision when they have lost pretty much everything. Right now you are enabling her. I urge you to contact alanon or narcanon ...whichever you feel comfortable with....you will be with others like you that try to deal with this as best they can. If you like, you can IM me and I'll give you my number.
She has already indicated that treatment is not for her....she probably just did it to pacify you and her family. There is no magic potion for this....SHE HAS TO WANT TO STOP OR SHE WILL BRING YOU DOWN WITH HER.
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Well, tis true that one will not stop the everlong journey of what Crosby, Stills, and Nash would call the "Dark Star", for one will keep on this path until they are tired of the pain. One actually gets so used to the pain that one is tired of the lifestyle associated with it, and therefore evolution occurs. This can take from 5 to 20 years, usually.
The point I was attempting to push across the abyss of words was that you can regulate this lifestyle if you have the appropriate herbs. Please pm me if you need advice with stronger herbs freely accessible to the enlightened soul.
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She may not be beyond saving.
honestly i was very unresponsive to treatment and acted similarly(poly drug addiction, crying out for my girl while overdosing etc) when i had first gotten addicted.
it takes a while to process what is happening to you. your mind gets hijacked and you have to try hard to be able to see this.
If she got addicted because of an injury and this is her first spiral downwards then it is understandable that she is having such an extreme reaction to addiction.
Hopefully she comes around. I really do hope so. i know the odds are stacked against her but if she hasn't been like this for a decade or so then she may still be able to leave the life behind her.
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If u can afford it, send her to one of those rehab facilities.
If not, steal her drugs and tell her "its for your own good" and prepare for living Hell.
If she is a full blown addict, its very hard to get her out of it.
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Apostle said: I think it's been generally accepted that the active ingredients are indeed powerful opiods that are similar to morphine in potency.
Kratom as a whole is neither potent or a strong opioid. It may have active chemicals that are potent when extracted, but those are still not powerful opioids in terms of sedation an analgesia.
Good kratom can provide me with a pretty damn strong intoxicating high that can quickly turn into a nod off session if I do enough (around 10-12 grams for me of a red strain or red/white/maeng da mix)
Sorry you don't get to feel the same bliss this plant has to offer, cause it really is amazingly strong. Though it can become subtle with tolerance, and for some people it seems the nausea and dizziness set in before they can take enough to get a good high or nod off, which also sucks.
OP sorry I can't help you much. There's been lots of good advice so far in the thread. She's going to need to WANT it bad if she really wants to get through this thing.
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