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Kickle
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Huh...
#23609458 - 09/03/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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From the S&M forum:
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i spend all day with me, 24/7, sometimes i get sick of me just like i'd get sick of anyone else i was around 24/7.
Anyone else feel that way?
I ask because that statement was so foreign to me that I had to consider why. And I immediately started thinking about self-enhancement. The way that we build ourselves up as superstars in our own minds. That mental bias in favor of ourselves. What happens if that bias didn't exist?
Well, we probably would get quite sick of ourselves! Just like we get sick of others!
What a trip guys. I'm wondering if we might just need to enhance our sense of self above that of others in order to be able to put up with ourselves for the long haul What do you think?
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: Huh... [Re: Kickle]
#23609502 - 09/03/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm working on reaching the exact opposite of that quote:
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Jokeshopbeard said: You know how, when spending time with others, when it gets too much, you can just take yourself off for a bit? I mean we often need to right? Wouldn't you go a bit insane if you never had any time to yourself? And if you are in a situation where you're around people MOST of the time, it's LOADS better if you have a great relationship with them right?
(I'm sure you can see where I'm heading...)
So the thought just occurred that YOU are the single person you can never get away from. Every waking hour, there you are. Only in sleep or drugs can you escape..
So doesn't it make sense, therefore, that the person you should forge the BEST relationship with on the planet is yourself? And yet, paradoxically, we often seem to have the WORST relationships with ourselves.
Why is everything so fucking backwards?!?!?!
And it's working. I'm enjoying me like never before in my life. I spend so much time laughing and joking with myself, as I would a great friend.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Kickle
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Yeah that's an interesting point. I'll be thinking on it, thanks.
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Re: Huh... [Re: Kickle]
#23609521 - 09/03/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most welcome man. I'm happy to offer a few pointers on what's taken me there, obscure as they may be.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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1. Get your heart ripped out...
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2. Take an obscure psychedelic when feeling very lonely and spend 30 minutes in the mirror socialising (smiling, laughing, dancing, etc) with yourself, before wanting to hug yourself and realising that if you ever met you in a pub, you'd really like you.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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3. Then get yourself drunk and take advantage of you.
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Re: Huh... [Re: Kickle]
#23609800 - 09/03/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been thinking about ego and millennial generation kids. How ego is seen as this bad thing to be left behind like racism and social class. Honestly it's been happening since at least generation X. Because this quote from Hunter S Thompson seems just as valid about today's 22 year olds as it did in 1972.
"Jesus, I thought. We’ve raised a generation of stone desperate cripples. She is twenty-two, a journalism grad from Boston University, and now—six months out of college—she talks so lonely and confused that she is eagerly looking forward to spending a few nights in a frozen chicken coop with some poor bastard who doesn’t even know she’s coming. The importance of Liking Yourself is a notion that fell heavily out of favor during the coptic, anti-ego frenzy of the Acid Era—but nobody guessed, back then, that the experiment might churn up this kind of hangover: a whole subculture of frightened illiterates with no faith in anything. The girl was not interested in whatever reasons I might have for going up to Manchester to spend a few days with the McGovern campaign. She had no plans to vote in any election, for president or anything else."
Personally, I have been trying to unlearn that suppressing of my ego, or bias towards my own sense of the world.
As I relearn to take my own view of things more seriously, I find I have to learn to relate to everyone else in a different way. I used to feign ignorance and act like I was probably wrong about things. But more and more I find I am the most right one in the room. It no longer behooves me to act the fool. But people absolutely despise people who act egotistical and smug. So I am finding I have to learn new ways to assert my better judgement in situations without undermining myself and without alienating people who have healthy egos, but just aren't right about things.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
3. Then get yourself drunk and take advantage of you.
3. Spend some weeks stewing on it, and begin to realise that you can treat yourself in the same way you treat those you care for most dearly in this world; mother, father, brother, sister, friend, lover.
@Hippo, I think I get you man, but I find you're thought process tricky to follow. Pretty sure we're on the same page though.
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Only one person in the several hundred thousand I have met in a lifetime triggered a heart explosion in me and feelings of unconditional love. To pretend that I can just "will" that same effect towards anyone I choose (or everyone) does not seem either realistic or attainable.
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I'm talking about turning it in on yourself OC.
"heart explosion in me and feelings of unconditional love"
I implore you, please find a way to give that to you. You fucking deserve it man. You are a beautiful, kind, loving, compassionate human. I say this with the greatest sincerity. Please give some to you, from you.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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@Hippo, I think I get you man, but I find you're thought process tricky to follow. Pretty sure we're on the same page though.
I am not very good at taking the time to sum up what I'm trying to say, hahhaha. Maybe I should get a twitter account. learn to keep it short. I certainly wouldn't want to read my own posts. I have reading ADHD. There I go, self-deprecating again. 
I'm sort of an extrovert. I easily get sick of myself. That's why, if I have to spend a lot of time home alone on a computer I find ways to reach out to other humans, like here. I relate to my world through other people, as painful as it is. As Sartre said, "Hell is other people". But it's more painful to be alone, with my boring self.
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I love meself!
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Re: Huh... [Re: zzripz]
#23610282 - 09/04/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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me too, thinking about getting a holiday alone so I can have more me time.
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Re: Huh... [Re: Kickle]
#23610393 - 09/04/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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it seems pretty normal to crave company of another we are social beings and a lot of change and growth and insight comes from outside, imo
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Re: Huh... [Re: quinn]
#23610414 - 09/04/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree but even when we are with others we are with ourselves
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Kickle
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Hippocampus said: I've been thinking about ego and millennial generation kids. How ego is seen as this bad thing to be left behind like racism and social class. Honestly it's been happening since at least generation X. Because this quote from Hunter S Thompson seems just as valid about today's 22 year olds as it did in 1972.
"Jesus, I thought. We’ve raised a generation of stone desperate cripples. She is twenty-two, a journalism grad from Boston University, and now—six months out of college—she talks so lonely and confused that she is eagerly looking forward to spending a few nights in a frozen chicken coop with some poor bastard who doesn’t even know she’s coming. The importance of Liking Yourself is a notion that fell heavily out of favor during the coptic, anti-ego frenzy of the Acid Era—but nobody guessed, back then, that the experiment might churn up this kind of hangover: a whole subculture of frightened illiterates with no faith in anything. The girl was not interested in whatever reasons I might have for going up to Manchester to spend a few days with the McGovern campaign. She had no plans to vote in any election, for president or anything else."
Personally, I have been trying to unlearn that suppressing of my ego, or bias towards my own sense of the world.
As I relearn to take my own view of things more seriously, I find I have to learn to relate to everyone else in a different way. I used to feign ignorance and act like I was probably wrong about things. But more and more I find I am the most right one in the room. It no longer behooves me to act the fool. But people absolutely despise people who act egotistical and smug. So I am finding I have to learn new ways to assert my better judgement in situations without undermining myself and without alienating people who have healthy egos, but just aren't right about things.
Good luck bro Really enjoyed the HST quote and thought it was spot on for this topic.
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Re: Huh... [Re: Kickle] 1
#23610781 - 09/04/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's another relevant pearl from HST, while we're at it:
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"We are all alone, born alone, die alone, and -- in spite of True Romance magazines -- we shall all someday look back on our lives and see that, in spite of our company, we were alone the whole way. I do not say lonely -- at least, not all the time -- but essentially, and finally, alone. This is what makes your self-respect so important, and I don't see how you can respect yourself if you must look in the hearts and minds of others for your happiness."
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I have that one in my collection, it's great. The man was a legend. I'm so grateful for the few humans out there that see through the bullshit and make an effort to try and help the rest of us see through it too..
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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quinn
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Kickle said: i agree but even when we are with others we are with ourselves
good point.. in that case i think the quote in the OP has committed some kind of logical fallacy because if the self was truly a constant then one could not know of any life without it, could not distinguish it and could not then ever be bored of 'it'.
"If the universe were blue there would be no blueness, since there would be nothing to contrast with blue."
-Nida
to me the self would be more like something that emerges through a relationship between people i.e. if you always hang out with the same people you will likely always experience the same self and new people will generate new self perception.. to me being 'bored of self' relates to perceived personal limitations and perhaps jealousy of other selves
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