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Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state?
#23609449 - 09/03/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If so do you think they leave when you sober up, or could they stay until you figure out a way to get them out? Also, if they are malevolent entities with malicious intent towards would it be possible for them to mentally or spiritually harm you? How would you protect yourself from them?
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23609489 - 09/03/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Instinctively, no. Rationally, there probably aren't real self-driven continuous entities exposed in the drug flash, but if those entities DO exist, they exist in a context so unfamiliar to our model of reality that I don't think it's possible to say what abilities would or would not make sense, you see?
When I've seen entities my experience was that they had mild interest in me, but they seem to have no direct influence on the physical world, as if they see us through a window perhaps
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23609689 - 09/03/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably ya. Shrooms showed me the "supernatural" isn't really a big deal I mean look at everything else.
It's like going to a party just for chips and dip.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: ruaware]
#23610116 - 09/04/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess your reality is defined by the information. The very latest science seems to be saying that there is really no external world out there, except information. This means that your physical body is also just the interpretation of information in the same way that a dream is.
When you are here and now, then your physical body is the one that exists and the body you dream in is not real. When you dream though, you usually have a different body and forget about the one here.
The perception of 'body', is really a frame of reference that is defined by information perceived by consciousness. Other entities cannot jump into your body and take it over if the body is not fundamentally real and the only thing that is real is your consciousness.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23610373 - 09/04/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gonna say no. Shrooms pretty much fracture the psyche... If you got some sediment that washes up on the shore, your beach may get polluted... Shroom are like a tsunami, the waves bring up all the muck and fifth that's been laying at the bottom off our subconscious and as ignorant, superstitious, tripped out humans, we rationalized it as some crazy spirit or demon when it's just a part of yourself coming to fruition for the confrontation. It's up to your interpretation. You either learn from it or think your possessed and miss the whole lesson... People getting "possessed" IMHO means stop doing drugs, you have an underlying mental illness or some deep fuckedupedness you should deal with immediately but chances are your silly ego begs to differ so you chose to ruin your brain and go crazy on some absent minded quest.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Cabrah]
#23610777 - 09/04/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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In a word, NO. 
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
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Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state?
YES, this shit has happened to me when I was getting altered in various ways.
I actually feel completely ruined because of altering myself like this.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Cabrah]
#23610801 - 09/04/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cabrah said: Gonna say no. Shrooms pretty much fracture the psyche... If you got some sediment that washes up on the shore, your beach may get polluted... Shroom are like a tsunami, the waves bring up all the muck and fifth that's been laying at the bottom off our subconscious and as ignorant, superstitious, tripped out humans, we rationalized it as some crazy spirit or demon when it's just a part of yourself coming to fruition for the confrontation. It's up to your interpretation. You either learn from it or think your possessed and miss the whole lesson... People getting "possessed" IMHO means stop doing drugs, you have an underlying mental illness or some deep fuckedupedness you should deal with immediately but chances are your silly ego begs to differ so you chose to ruin your brain and go crazy on some absent minded quest.
No
And the jungian view is childish when it comes to the subject of "entities". It doesn't tell us anything and is just a way for people to pour strangeness into another humdrum notion to make us feel comfortable. Humans like to have answers to things so they'll settle for any possible answer even if it's incredibly childish just like that view so they can sleep at night.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23610855 - 09/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not some kind of weird scientologist, but I think our whole being is made up of conscious entities.
Stigmata, high dose lsd. It's friggin retarded.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23610864 - 09/04/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cabrah said: Gonna say no. Shrooms pretty much fracture the psyche... If you got some sediment that washes up on the shore, your beach may get polluted... Shroom are like a tsunami, the waves bring up all the muck and fifth that's been laying at the bottom off our subconscious and as ignorant, superstitious, tripped out humans, we rationalized it as some crazy spirit or demon when it's just a part of yourself coming to fruition for the confrontation. It's up to your interpretation. You either learn from it or think your possessed and miss the whole lesson... People getting "possessed" IMHO means stop doing drugs, you have an underlying mental illness or some deep fuckedupedness you should deal with immediately but chances are your silly ego begs to differ so you chose to ruin your brain and go crazy on some absent minded quest.
No
And the jungian view is childish when it comes to the subject of "entities". It doesn't tell us anything and is just a way for people to pour strangeness into another humdrum notion to make us feel comfortable. Humans like to have answers to things so they'll settle for any possible answer even if it's incredibly childish just like that view so they can sleep at night.
Fuck that, talking shit about Jung like you know some shit. OH WAS THAT HIS MOTIVATION?
Gimme a break.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
#23610873 - 09/04/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am a jungian myself but even I know when it comes to the subject of autonomous entities that the jungian view is complete childish and wishful thinking.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
#23610885 - 09/04/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever and it almost contradicts the lessons these "autonomous beings" often have for us.
It's just people trying to come up with a normal answer for something that isn't normal. It's human nature.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23610892 - 09/04/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing Jung ever said was normal post freud.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
#23610911 - 09/04/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I'm willing to exercise the jungian view on literally any other part of the psychedelic experience; everything from internal knowledge and truth to archetypes I will entertain this jungian notion because I do like it but to apply it to these encounters of entities is just blind thinking and to me literally misses the whole point of said interactions and encounters.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23611002 - 09/04/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Well I'm willing to exercise the jungian view on literally any other part of the psychedelic experience; everything from internal knowledge and truth to archetypes I will entertain this jungian notion because I do like it but to apply it to these encounters of entities is just blind thinking and to me literally misses the whole point of said interactions and encounters.
I think we have very similar thinking about that. I just wonder sometimes about how blind the thinking is. You know. I don't configure and align much significance to any old geometric configuration of thought or vision.
I think there is a genetic underbelly to deep psychedelic experiences. Not as in our family genes, but the rest of humanity, and I'm pretty sure people can interact with it. I think it has amazing and unconscionable ways of expressing itself.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
#23611382 - 09/04/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, on LSD I have been possessed by this visionary artist Robert Venosa who paints the most beautiful art. I was on pure Orange Sunshine and in his house where all his art was hanging, and suddenly I realized that there was another consciousness in my being embodying my body... he could literally live through me like I usually do.
And then another time I was possessed by the rapper Eazy E in his hometown... strange times.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Typerwritermonky] 3
#23611437 - 09/04/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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To paraphrase Samuel Taylor Coleridge: What if you dreamed, and in that dream picked a flower, and when you awoke, had that flower in your hand? What then?
Well, in all of the billions of people who have lived and dreamed thousands of billions of dreams, no such tangible proof has ever occurred. That is solid evidence that the dream world, while seeming real, is just an appearance to your mind and not some other world - despite it being populated with objects and dream characters.
Now...what relationship does this have to the OP's question? EVERYTHING. For all the hundreds of millions of "trips" people have taken on every imaginable substance over thousands of years (see Erowid for a SHORT list!) no one has EVER come back with a demon or other entity...positive or negative. They're just a figment of your drug addled mind. Like if you have a pleasant dream, you awake FEELING happy, or if you have a difficult nightmare, you awake FEELING negative or bad.
Grow up, get real, stop the fringe thinking, use your logical mind and get over it for fuck's sake. There are no entities. They're just childish boogymen created by and in your psychedlic enhanced mindscape. 
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
#23611447 - 09/04/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You sound immature as all hell lol. Overall and even in your small analogies.
Dreams do not feel real so horrible comparison.
Psychedelics feel more real than reality.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23611795 - 09/04/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm 63, so wrong again.
Read what you wrote. Sounds utterly idiotic to me. "Psychedelics feel more real than reality?" Brother, you have some SERIOUS perception and thought processing issues if you genuinely believe that. From now on I'll just assume you're a troll.
It boggles my mind that people can convince themselves there are such things as ghosts, goblins, leprechauns, extraterrestrials and "entities." I suppose you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, and the Easter Bunny, too. Grow the fuck up, straighten out and fly right, will ya? Engage your brain before your mouth. And give up these ridiculous fantasies that there is some "other" dimension accessible through psychedelics.
It's all explainable (and has been explained) by alterations in your brain chemistry - and ONLY those who are shallow thinkers and have inferior education and insight make up stories like entities to explain their experiences. You take a drug. You get all trippy, and you see and feel shit. No kidding. Once you are no longer under the influence, how can you fail to see that it was the DRUG that gave you those impressions? Wow....just....wow. 
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
#23612532 - 09/04/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: I suppose you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, and the Easter Bunny, too. Grow the fuck up, straighten out and fly right, will ya? Engage your brain before your mouth. And give up these ridiculous fantasies that there is some "other" dimension accessible through psychedelics.
How fucking dumb can you be? Tooth fairy? Lmfao what did you bring your 7 year old daughter in the room to come up with that one. You could murder someone with the amount of clichè in your post(s)
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I'm 63, so wrong again.
Hahaha oh a crusty old fuck who isn't analytical and is far too mentally handicapped to be objective how am I not shocked by this lol give the fuck up. Of course psychedelics feel more real than reality you dumb mother fucker. What do you have severe brain damage/cancer? I can't even pretend to be as retarded as you. Your moronic responses can easily pass for satire because they are so severely nonsensical.
That's the whole point of psychedelics is that they feel more real than ordinary reality you unaware fuck. How bout this.. How about you stop trying your absolute hardest to sound as dumb as fucking possible and then maybe then I might take you seriously for one second.
To say these "entities" are escaped psychic elements or disparate fragments of our own subconscious is one thing but to say these things are from the human imagination is borderline retarded behavior. I can't take you seriously when your logic is that of an animal. You pink monkeys are hilarious trying to make what you don't understand nice and humdrum because in your ratty delusional brain you think that actually makes you look rational to outsiders. The amount of drugs you must have used to do this much damage to your brain must be dramatic. You sound completely fried on drugs pal. The irrationality and inability to look at a subject objectively is the main thing that gives it away.
The funniest/greatest part about this whole thing as that you're 63! You're 63 and you talk like an egotistical 19 year old and you're going to die relatively soon. You're going to die stupid and close minded which is hilarious to me 
You just made my whole labor day weekend because I know you will die old and dumb. Lol care to make me even happier by responding? The dumber and more nonsensical you are the more I will find it funny when you're gone.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
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UniverseOfTheMind8 said: If so do you think they leave when you sober up, or could they stay until you figure out a way to get them out? Also, if they are malevolent entities with malicious intent towards would it be possible for them to mentally or spiritually harm you? How would you protect yourself from them?
Spirits can inherit and opress the body and they can manipulate thoughts.
Oppression is the only experience I've had in the sober state from a friendly spirit of an elder Chinese male. There's a suggestion he's connected to a past life.
Though I experience radical shifts in my paradigm from positive to negative, I haven't physical felt any presence in a sober state in the body, though whisps of black are a common occurrence in the peripheral vision.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] 2
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Nature Boy said: I suppose you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, and the Easter Bunny, too. Grow the fuck up, straighten out and fly right, will ya? Engage your brain before your mouth. And give up these ridiculous fantasies that there is some "other" dimension accessible through psychedelics.
How fucking dumb can you be? Tooth fairy? Lmfao what did you bring your 7 year old daughter in the room to come up with that one. You could murder someone with the amount of clichè in your post(s)
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I'm 63, so wrong again.
Hahaha oh a crusty old fuck who isn't analytical and is far too mentally handicapped to be objective how am I not shocked by this lol give the fuck up. Of course psychedelics feel more real than reality you dumb mother fucker. What do you have severe brain damage/cancer? I can't even pretend to be as retarded as you. Your moronic responses can easily pass for satire because they are so severely nonsensical.
That's the whole point of psychedelics is that they feel more real than ordinary reality you unaware fuck. How bout this.. How about you stop trying your absolute hardest to sound as dumb as fucking possible and then maybe then I might take you seriously for one second.
To say these "entities" are escaped psychic elements or disparate fragments of our own subconscious is one thing but to say these things are from the human imagination is borderline retarded behavior. I can't take you seriously when your logic is that of an animal. You pink monkeys are hilarious trying to make what you don't understand nice and humdrum because in your ratty delusional brain you think that actually makes you look rational to outsiders. The amount of drugs you must have used to do this much damage to your brain must be dramatic. You sound completely fried on drugs pal. The irrationality and inability to look at a subject objectively is the main thing that gives it away.
The funniest/greatest part about this whole thing as that you're 63! You're 63 and you talk like an egotistical 19 year old and you're going to die relatively soon. You're going to die stupid and close minded which is hilarious to me 
You just made my whole labor day weekend because I know you will die old and dumb. Lol care to make me even happier by responding? The dumber and more nonsensical you are the more I will find it funny when you're gone.
You are the ignorant one here. If you've been around these parts longer than a few months you'd know Nature Boy is the real deal. He has contributed more to this community than most of us and to flame him like this only shows us what you bring to the community.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] 1
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AuroraBorealis88 said: You sound immature as all hell lol. Overall and even in your small analogies.
Dreams do not feel real so horrible comparison.
Psychedelics feel more real than reality.
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Nature Boy said: I suppose you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, and the Easter Bunny, too. Grow the fuck up, straighten out and fly right, will ya? Engage your brain before your mouth. And give up these ridiculous fantasies that there is some "other" dimension accessible through psychedelics.
How fucking dumb can you be? Tooth fairy? Lmfao what did you bring your 7 year old daughter in the room to come up with that one. You could murder someone with the amount of clichè in your post(s)
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I'm 63, so wrong again.
Hahaha oh a crusty old fuck who isn't analytical and is far too mentally handicapped to be objective how am I not shocked by this lol give the fuck up. Of course psychedelics feel more real than reality you dumb mother fucker. What do you have severe brain damage/cancer? I can't even pretend to be as retarded as you. Your moronic responses can easily pass for satire because they are so severely nonsensical.
That's the whole point of psychedelics is that they feel more real than ordinary reality you unaware fuck. How bout this.. How about you stop trying your absolute hardest to sound as dumb as fucking possible and then maybe then I might take you seriously for one second.
To say these "entities" are escaped psychic elements or disparate fragments of our own subconscious is one thing but to say these things are from the human imagination is borderline retarded behavior. I can't take you seriously when your logic is that of an animal. You pink monkeys are hilarious trying to make what you don't understand nice and humdrum because in your ratty delusional brain you think that actually makes you look rational to outsiders. The amount of drugs you must have used to do this much damage to your brain must be dramatic. You sound completely fried on drugs pal. The irrationality and inability to look at a subject objectively is the main thing that gives it away.
The funniest/greatest part about this whole thing as that you're 63! You're 63 and you talk like an egotistical 19 year old and you're going to die relatively soon. You're going to die stupid and close minded which is hilarious to me 
You just made my whole labor day weekend because I know you will die old and dumb. Lol care to make me even happier by responding? The dumber and more nonsensical you are the more I will find it funny when you're gone.
Between the two of you, the only one who is sounding immature here is you.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: nooneman]
#23613105 - 09/04/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it depends on the substance. Shrooms no. Ayahuasca is a different story all together. Brugmansia has had a lot of people claiming to be possessed after taking it. If you mess with those you should be careful.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: cez]
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I still think it's hilarious.
I don't ever do that to people but he was so hilariously idiotic that I had to.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: cez]
#23613132 - 09/04/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: and to flame him like this only shows us what you bring to the community. 
I bring common sense and objective thinking. You're welcome.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23613135 - 09/04/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thankyou to everyone who commented, it was interesting to read everyone's thoughts on my questions. Whether you believe in that sort of thing or not.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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Nature Boy said: I suppose you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, and the Easter Bunny, too. Grow the fuck up, straighten out and fly right, will ya? Engage your brain before your mouth. And give up these ridiculous fantasies that there is some "other" dimension accessible through psychedelics.
How fucking dumb can you be? Tooth fairy? Lmfao what did you bring your 7 year old daughter in the room to come up with that one. You could murder someone with the amount of clichè in your post(s)
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I'm 63, so wrong again.
Hahaha oh a crusty old fuck who isn't analytical and is far too mentally handicapped to be objective how am I not shocked by this lol give the fuck up. Of course psychedelics feel more real than reality you dumb mother fucker. What do you have severe brain damage/cancer? I can't even pretend to be as retarded as you. Your moronic responses can easily pass for satire because they are so severely nonsensical.
That's the whole point of psychedelics is that they feel more real than ordinary reality you unaware fuck. How bout this.. How about you stop trying your absolute hardest to sound as dumb as fucking possible and then maybe then I might take you seriously for one second.
To say these "entities" are escaped psychic elements or disparate fragments of our own subconscious is one thing but to say these things are from the human imagination is borderline retarded behavior. I can't take you seriously when your logic is that of an animal. You pink monkeys are hilarious trying to make what you don't understand nice and humdrum because in your ratty delusional brain you think that actually makes you look rational to outsiders. The amount of drugs you must have used to do this much damage to your brain must be dramatic. You sound completely fried on drugs pal. The irrationality and inability to look at a subject objectively is the main thing that gives it away.
The funniest/greatest part about this whole thing as that you're 63! You're 63 and you talk like an egotistical 19 year old and you're going to die relatively soon. You're going to die stupid and close minded which is hilarious to me 
You just made my whole labor day weekend because I know you will die old and dumb. Lol care to make me even happier by responding? The dumber and more nonsensical you are the more I will find it funny when you're gone.
Oh stop it already
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23613159 - 09/04/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't ask for a flame war (Aurora and Nature Boy). You both have differing views on the subject that is fine, but at least try to respect eachothers beliefs. If you haven't experienced anything that proves the existence of something to you it's understandable not to believe in it, but on the other hand if you have than it's completely understandable to believe in it. Even if it isn't seen as a "rational" belief. It's best just to agree that there's no way to prove entities do exist just the same as there's no way to prove they don't, but anything is possible so it's good to keep your mind open to the whole spectrum.
Edited by UniverseOfTheMind8 (09/04/16 11:25 PM)
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23613189 - 09/04/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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UniverseOfTheMind8 said: but at least try to respect eachothers beliefs.
I normally have no problem doing this and pretty much always respect others views as much as my own but this guy was way too irrational and idiotic for me to pander to his primitive level of thinking. I just can't pretend to not have common sense so that I can agree to disagree with him. I tell 'em like I see em.
I'm not sure how but I could just tell by this guy's responses that he's a moron. Lol not sure what it is exactly maybe it was when he brought up the tooth fairy. I just know people with this level of "thinking" if you even want to call it that shouldn't be allowed to speak.
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It's best just to agree that there's no way to prove entities do exist just the same as there's no way to prove they don't, but anything is possible so it's good to keep your mind open to the whole spectrum
Yep
At least I wasn't the one acting like I "knew" like expert nature boy.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (09/04/16 11:31 PM)
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23613571 - 09/05/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Entities" are already there. When you become more conscious you may become aware of that. Entheogens are Themselves "Entities" which people like Christ and Buddha, (and myself) call "God".
So, yes -- when you ingest Entheogens, you are taking an "Entity" into your body.
-------------------- The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.
Edited by endogenous (09/05/16 02:21 AM)
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
#23613687 - 09/05/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: I'm 63, so wrong again.
Read what you wrote. Sounds utterly idiotic to me. "Psychedelics feel more real than reality?" Brother, you have some SERIOUS perception and thought processing issues if you genuinely believe that. From now on I'll just assume you're a troll.
It boggles my mind that people can convince themselves there are such things as ghosts, goblins, leprechauns, extraterrestrials and "entities." I suppose you believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, and the Easter Bunny, too. Grow the fuck up, straighten out and fly right, will ya? Engage your brain before your mouth. And give up these ridiculous fantasies that there is some "other" dimension accessible through psychedelics.
It's all explainable (and has been explained) by alterations in your brain chemistry - and ONLY those who are shallow thinkers and have inferior education and insight make up stories like entities to explain their experiences. You take a drug. You get all trippy, and you see and feel shit. No kidding. Once you are no longer under the influence, how can you fail to see that it was the DRUG that gave you those impressions? Wow....just....wow. 
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Breathtakingly arrogant post nature boy!
You might dismiss hyperspace as merely an illusion and you have every right to do so, but by writing some of the things you have above you insult anybody who is willing to keep an open mind on the subject.
I dont know the truth either way but DMT certainly made me much more open to the possibility of non physical reality's/entities largely because the things I saw were utterly beyond what I thought my feeble imagination could possibly be capable of creating. In fact the things I saw seemed to me at the time to be utterly impossible.
There are scientists, philosophers and educated people out there today who have theories that reality itself is in fact an illusion of some kind. Many other people such as strassman wrote books and conducted research into DMT because obviously it seemed to him that there was something much more to the DMT phenomenum than the dismisive explanation that oh he was just tripping.
There are many intelligent and educated people out there who believe in or are willing to entertain the possibility of the existence of a hyperspace or non physical realities. We have no real idea what brain chemistry even is, nor if we are honest, where, why or what we human beings actually are, or what this reality we experience is either.
Either side claiming to know the truth one way or the other are coming from opposing but pretty much the same arrogant and egotisical place.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: wolf8312] 2
#23613807 - 09/05/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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People have mentioned entity encounters as part of the psychedelic experience on this forum innumerable times. And I never jumped down their throats. Why? Because no one except the most psychologically damaged and seriously drug addled really believed them to objectively real once they were sobered up and had a chance to reflect more fully on the experience.
Anyone with any sense should knows that entities, no matter how "real" they seem at the time are anything other than mind manifestations brought on by alterations in their perceptions. Psychedelics affect more than your ordinary senses of sight, sound, and touch. Thoughts, beliefs, emotions and primitive survival instincts are just as powerfully affected. A shape in the dark is transformed by your mind into an ogre under the influence of fear - when in reality it is only a tree stump. "Entities" are indicative of a trick of your heightened emotional/primitive instinctual mind under the influence, as with the example above. It's how your mind is set up to work to insure it's survival. The phenomena is deep-rooted, subconscious and has been present in the human brain for tens of thousands of years - and is an INSTINCT that is nearly impossible to override. This instinct is the most powerful of all, because it developed TO INSURE your survival. Your mind insists that it is BELIEVABLE so you will act on it and live another day. This is a well-studied and documented FACT of human brain physiology.
But OBJECTIVELY REAL entities? Nope. Just a tree-stump. Not only should you give up on the fantasy of objectively real entities, understanding how your own mind works might make the difference between sitting comfortably on a couch and jumping off the roof someday to escape what just isn't real.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
#23613871 - 09/05/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That rational scientific point of view makes sense and could very easily be true, but it really doesn't make it "fact" that nothing outside our reality exists. Humans are still very primitive creatures, there is still very much we do not know, that our scientific knowledge cannot explain currently, and things we will probably never know. That is why it's best to keep an open mind to the whole spectrum as I said before, no matter how illogical or impossible something sounds doesn't mean it can't exist. We don't know enough about existence to be able to determine what should and shouldn't be able to exist.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
#23613927 - 09/05/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Impossible for me to know either way, but needless to say my deepest DMT experience went far beyond hallucinogenic 'tree stump' imagery and I wouldn't even be able to begin to know how to describe something that so ineffable. How could I ever dismiss something that I cannot even explain or understand myself?
You have taken the DMT experience and reduced it to a few easily dismissed hallucinations, a bed-sheet mistaken for a ghost for example, when in fact the DMT hyperspace experience is like tapping into an ancient mystical source of alien knowledge, that spits out revelations that are genuinely jawdroppingly, eye poppingly astounding.
Maybe its not real, but that doesnt in itself prove that there are no such thing as metaphysical or non physical realitys? Who honestly is to say that in this universe everything must be physical? Just because it cannot be proven?
To say a person lacks sense and imply he is stupid merely because after having witnessed hyperspace he keeps his mind open to the possibility of non physical realities doesnt leave many places to take the conversation.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23613929 - 09/05/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had sex with a man while he obe
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: wolf8312]
#23613935 - 09/05/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Go back to skateboard city penny wise you fucking cl0wn boooooooo u loser
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Lucy9]
#23614036 - 09/05/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like a good time lol.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23614100 - 09/05/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was really important
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Lucy9]
#23614148 - 09/05/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet lol.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23614189 - 09/05/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey guys don't question nature boy because his opinions are proven facts DUUUUH
Nature Boy knows all, how did you guys not know this?
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
#23614193 - 09/05/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: This instinct is the most powerful of all, because it developed TO INSURE your survival
In all seriousness though..how fucking ironic. This guy must have had a retarded week.
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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23614211 - 09/05/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Gotta close this thread it's degenerated into a flame fest.
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