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OfflineUniverseOfTheMind8
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Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state?
    #23609449 - 09/03/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If so do you think they leave when you sober up, or could they stay until you figure out a way to get them out? Also, if they are malevolent entities with malicious intent towards would it be possible for them to mentally or spiritually harm you? How would you protect yourself from them?


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23609489 - 09/03/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Instinctively, no. Rationally, there probably aren't real self-driven continuous entities exposed in the drug flash, but if those entities DO exist, they exist in a context so unfamiliar to our model of reality that I don't think it's possible to say what abilities would or would not make sense, you see?

When I've seen entities my experience was that they had mild interest in me, but they seem to have no direct influence on the physical world, as if they see us through a window perhaps


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23609689 - 09/03/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Probably ya. Shrooms showed me the "supernatural" isn't really a big deal I mean look at everything else.

It's like going to a party just for chips and dip.


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    #23609970 - 09/04/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: ruaware]
    #23610116 - 09/04/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I guess your reality is defined by the information.  The very latest science seems to be saying that there is really no external world out there, except information.  This means that your physical body is also just the interpretation of information in the same way that a dream is.

When you are here and now, then your physical body is the one that exists and the body you dream in is not real.  When you dream though, you usually have a different body and forget about the one here.

The perception of 'body', is really a frame of reference that is defined by information perceived by consciousness.
Other entities cannot jump into your body and take it over if the body is not fundamentally real and the only thing that is real is your consciousness.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23610373 - 09/04/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Gonna say no. Shrooms pretty much fracture the psyche... If you got some sediment that washes up on the shore, your beach may get polluted...  Shroom are like a tsunami, the waves bring up all the muck and fifth that's been laying at the bottom off our subconscious and as ignorant, superstitious, tripped out humans, we rationalized it as some crazy spirit or demon when it's just a part of yourself coming to fruition for the confrontation. It's up to your interpretation. You either learn from it or think your possessed and miss the whole lesson... People getting "possessed" IMHO means stop doing drugs, you have an underlying mental illness or some deep fuckedupedness you should deal with immediately but chances are your silly ego begs to differ so you chose to ruin your brain and go crazy on some absent minded quest.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Cabrah]
    #23610777 - 09/04/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In a word, NO.  :facepalm:

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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23610784 - 09/04/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state?




YES, this shit has happened to me when I was getting altered in various ways.

I actually feel completely ruined because of altering myself like this.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Cabrah]
    #23610801 - 09/04/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Gonna say no. Shrooms pretty much fracture the psyche... If you got some sediment that washes up on the shore, your beach may get polluted...  Shroom are like a tsunami, the waves bring up all the muck and fifth that's been laying at the bottom off our subconscious and as ignorant, superstitious, tripped out humans, we rationalized it as some crazy spirit or demon when it's just a part of yourself coming to fruition for the confrontation. It's up to your interpretation. You either learn from it or think your possessed and miss the whole lesson... People getting "possessed" IMHO means stop doing drugs, you have an underlying mental illness or some deep fuckedupedness you should deal with immediately but chances are your silly ego begs to differ so you chose to ruin your brain and go crazy on some absent minded quest.




No

And the jungian view is childish when it comes to the subject of "entities".
It doesn't tell us anything and is just a way for people to pour strangeness into another humdrum notion to make us feel comfortable. Humans like to have answers to things so they'll settle for any possible answer even if it's incredibly childish just like that view so they can sleep at night.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23610855 - 09/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not some kind of weird scientologist, but I think our whole being is made up of conscious entities.

Stigmata,  high dose lsd.  It's friggin retarded.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23610864 - 09/04/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Cabrah said:
Gonna say no. Shrooms pretty much fracture the psyche... If you got some sediment that washes up on the shore, your beach may get polluted...  Shroom are like a tsunami, the waves bring up all the muck and fifth that's been laying at the bottom off our subconscious and as ignorant, superstitious, tripped out humans, we rationalized it as some crazy spirit or demon when it's just a part of yourself coming to fruition for the confrontation. It's up to your interpretation. You either learn from it or think your possessed and miss the whole lesson... People getting "possessed" IMHO means stop doing drugs, you have an underlying mental illness or some deep fuckedupedness you should deal with immediately but chances are your silly ego begs to differ so you chose to ruin your brain and go crazy on some absent minded quest.




No

And the jungian view is childish when it comes to the subject of "entities".
It doesn't tell us anything and is just a way for people to pour strangeness into another humdrum notion to make us feel comfortable. Humans like to have answers to things so they'll settle for any possible answer even if it's incredibly childish just like that view so they can sleep at night.




Fuck that, talking shit about Jung like you know some shit.  OH WAS THAT HIS MOTIVATION?

Gimme a break.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23610873 - 09/04/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I am a jungian myself but even I know when it comes to the subject of autonomous entities that the jungian view is complete childish and wishful thinking.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23610878 - 09/04/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23610885 - 09/04/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever and it almost contradicts the lessons these "autonomous beings" often have for us.

It's just people trying to come up with a normal answer for something that isn't normal. It's human nature.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23610892 - 09/04/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing Jung ever said was normal post freud.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23610911 - 09/04/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well I'm willing to exercise the jungian view on literally any other part of the psychedelic experience; everything from internal knowledge and truth to archetypes I will entertain this jungian notion because I do like it but to apply it to these encounters of entities is just blind thinking and to me literally misses the whole point of said interactions and encounters.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23611002 - 09/04/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well I'm willing to exercise the jungian view on literally any other part of the psychedelic experience; everything from internal knowledge and truth to archetypes I will entertain this jungian notion because I do like it but to apply it to these encounters of entities is just blind thinking and to me literally misses the whole point of said interactions and encounters.





I think we have very similar thinking about that.  I just wonder sometimes about how blind the thinking is.  You know.  I don't configure and align much significance to any old geometric configuration of thought or vision. 

I think there is a genetic underbelly to deep psychedelic experiences.  Not as in our family genes, but the rest of humanity, and I'm pretty sure people can interact with it.  I think it has amazing and unconscionable ways of expressing itself.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23611382 - 09/04/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yeah, on LSD I have been possessed by this visionary artist Robert Venosa who paints the most beautiful art.  I was on pure Orange Sunshine and in his house where all his art was hanging, and suddenly I realized that there was another consciousness in my being embodying my body... he could literally live through me like I usually do.

And then another time I was possessed by the rapper Eazy E in his hometown... strange times.


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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Typerwritermonky] * 3
    #23611437 - 09/04/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

To paraphrase Samuel Taylor Coleridge:  What if you dreamed, and in that dream picked a flower, and when you awoke, had that flower in your hand?  What then?

Well, in all of the billions of people who have lived and dreamed thousands of billions of dreams, no such tangible proof has ever occurred.  That is solid evidence that the dream world, while seeming real, is just an appearance to your mind and not some other world - despite it being populated with objects and dream characters.

Now...what relationship does this have to the OP's question?  EVERYTHING. For all the hundreds of millions of "trips" people have taken on every imaginable substance over thousands of years (see Erowid for a SHORT list!) no one has EVER come back with a demon or other entity...positive or negative.  They're just a figment of your drug addled mind.  Like if you have a pleasant dream, you awake FEELING happy, or if you have a difficult nightmare, you awake FEELING negative or bad.

Grow up, get real, stop the fringe thinking, use your logical mind and get over it for fuck's sake.  There are no entities.  They're just childish boogymen created by and in your psychedlic enhanced mindscape.  :facepalm:

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Re: Do you think it's possible for entities to enter your body while you're in an altered state? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23611447 - 09/04/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You sound immature as all hell lol. Overall and even in your small analogies.

Dreams do not feel real so horrible comparison.

Psychedelics feel more real than reality.


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