Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds Zamnesia
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Kraken Kratom Buy Kratom Powder & Leaf   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Offlinetimelapses
Life in free form
Male


Registered: 01/26/11
Posts: 4,600
Loc: in a shroomery prison
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained * 1
    #23609292 - 09/03/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



--------------------


Edited by timelapses (09/03/16 08:32 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetimelapses
Life in free form
Male


Registered: 01/26/11
Posts: 4,600
Loc: in a shroomery prison
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: timelapses]
    #23609293 - 09/03/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's the transition from painkillers to heroin, experts say, that led to the recent dramatic spike in heroin abuse.

Yeah, so be it.

OxyContin, Percocet, and Vicodin.  Guessing most enjoy these.  Beats brown tar shit.

"But this led to unintended, devastating results", and who made the finances?





--------------------


Edited by timelapses (09/03/16 08:42 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCognitive_Shift
CS actual
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 29,591
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: timelapses]
    #23609334 - 09/03/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Black tar heroin" is the gold standard in Columbus, OH where I'm from.  It's generally the highest purity heroin available in the city and its stronger then pain pills.  Of course it's location location location but black tar isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're a heroin user especially in the Midwest.


--------------------
L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetimelapses
Life in free form
Male


Registered: 01/26/11
Posts: 4,600
Loc: in a shroomery prison
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23609350 - 09/03/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Only thing I ever have used.  But glad to see it is still held in high regard.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineReposadoXochipilli
Here, there, inbetween
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/30/05
Posts: 7,501
Loc: Sand and sunshine
Last seen: 20 days, 54 minutes
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: timelapses] * 3
    #23610044 - 09/04/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The opioid painkiller and heroin epidemic, explained
Vox.com

Vox.com
German Lopez
12 hrs ago
SHARE
TWEET
SHARE
EMAIL
<span style="font-size:13px;">Kyndra Richards cleans up at "White's Foodliner" after an early morning earthquake in Pawnee, Oka., on Sept. 3, 2016. </span>
Record-tying Oklahoma quake felt as far away as Arizona
James Tullier, father of East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Deputy Nick Tullier, who was critically wounded in an ambush that left three other Baton Rouge law enforcement officers dead, speaks during an interview at Our Lady of the Lake Medical Center in Baton Rouge, La., Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2016. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)
Son shot, home flooded: 2 tragedies rock 1 Louisiana family
© Provided by Vox.com
In 2014, more Americans died of drug overdoses than any other year on record: more than 47,000 deaths in just one year, according to new federal data . That's far more than the nearly 34,000 who died in car crashes, the almost 34,000 who died due to gun violence, and the nearly 42,000 who died due to HIV/AIDS during that epidemic's peak in 1995.

But this latest drug epidemic is not driven primarily by illicit drugs. It began with a legal drug: opioid painkillers.

Back in the 1990s, doctors agreed — and many still do — that America has a serious pain problem: Tens of millions of Americans experienced debilitating pain, and it was left untreated. So they looked for a solution — and, fueled by a misleading marketing push from pharmaceutical companies, landed on opioid-based painkillers, widely known by brand names such as OxyContin, Percocet, and Vicodin. The drugs proliferated.

But this led to unintended, devastating results. Prescription painkiller abuse went up, and overdose deaths linked to the drugs did as well. Then, as policymakers and doctors took notice of widespread painkiller abuse, they pulled back access to the drugs. But federal data shows many of these drug users didn't just quit the drugs altogether — some instead moved to a lower-cost, more potent opioid, heroin, and some are reportedly moving to the even stronger opioid, fentanyl.

As a result, nearly 29,000 deadly drug overdoses in 2014 — more than half of all overdose deaths that year — involved some type of opioid.

It's a big public health crisis. Surprisingly, some policymakers are treating it as a public health crisis: Whereas previous drug epidemics invited harsh tactics typical of the war on drugs (like increased prison sentences for drug possession), the current crisis is fueling calls for more access to treatment programs. Still, lawmakers in several other states are doubling down on drug war policies to fight the epidemic — even though the mere existence of the heroin epidemic suggests these policies haven't worked for decades.



The mixed response shows how America's drug policies are changing. But to understand how the changes relate to the opioid epidemic, it's important to start from the beginning, with how the current drug crisis began.
A misleading marketing campaign from drug companies led to the epidemic
America has a pain problem. About 100 million Americans suffer from chronic pain, according to a 2011 report from the Institute of Medicine. This might seem like an excessive number — roughly one-third of all Americans — but it includes everyone in the chronic pain spectrum, from the silent sufferer who deals with constant back pain to the patient who can no longer move because the pain all over her body is just too much.

There isn't a single medication that will relieve all pain for all patients. But there was a huge push in the 1990s and 2000s — from drug companies in particular , the federal government's flawed "Pain as the Fifth Vital Sign" campaign, and pharmaceutical-backed advocacy efforts — that doctors do something about pain.

As Keith Humphreys, drug policy expert at Stanford University, explained, the evidence on whether opioid painkillers can even treat chronic pain is weak at best, but it's clear that prolonged use can result in very bad risks and complications.

But pharmaceutical companies saw an opportunity for profit, and they marketed opioids to doctors as a safer, more effective way to treat pain than other medications on the market.

The result: Drug companies made a lot of money as people got addicted and died.

Pharmaceutical companies' claims of safety and efficacy were, of course, inaccurate, and Purdue Pharma, producer of the opioid OxyContin, later paid hundreds of millions of dollars in fines for its false claims. Opioid painkillers carry a significant risk of addiction and overdose, especially for long-term users who build up a tolerance of the high and use more and more of the drug without building as much resistance for the respiratory effects that lead to overdose.

But many doctors, under pressure to treat pain more seriously, bought into the messaging from those decades and prescribed a ridiculous amount of painkillers to patients. In 2012, US physicians wrote 259 million prescriptions for opioid painkillers — enough to give a bottle of pills to every adult in the country. And these pills don't just end up in patients' hands, instead proliferating to black markets, getting shared among friends and family, landing in the hands of teens who rummaged through parents' medicine cabinets, and so on.

As state and federal governments became aware of the problem, they began going after doctors and pharmacists who provided painkillers too leniently, threatening them with incarceration and the loss of their medical licenses. In 2014, the Drug Enforcement Administration reclassified some opioid painkillers from Schedule 3 to the more restrictive Schedule 2, limiting access for both patients and doctors.

Ideally, doctors should still be able to provide painkillers to the many patients who really need them — after, for example, evaluating whether the patient has a history of drug abuse. But doctors who weren't conducting even such basic checks are being told — not just through the crackdown, but by health care organizations and public education campaigns — to give more thought to their prescriptions. (Still, some advocates argue the new restrictions on painkillers go too far, leaving out pain patients who really need treatment.)

Doctors don't always have to resort to opioids to treat pain as a serious medical issue. There are alternatives, such as special exercises, physical therapy, surgeries, and lifestyle changes. There's also some evidence for medical marijuana , which studies have shown to be effective at treating chronic pain and averting opioid deaths.

Despite increased awareness and the crackdown, there are still signs of some doctors doing a lot of overprescribing. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report found that a small minority of prescribers are responsible for most opioid prescriptions, although there's a lot of variation from state to state. For example, the top 1 percent of prescribers wrote one in four opioid prescriptions in Delaware in 2013, while the top 1 percent of prescribers wrote one in eight such prescriptions in Maine.

Still, the crackdown appeared to slow down the rise in painkiller overdose deaths for a few years, but it also likely led to an increase in heroin abuse and deaths.

Painkiller-linked deaths stabilized for a few years, but heroin-related deaths skyrocketed
When opioid users couldn't fulfill their cravings with painkillers, many turned to an opioid that is, despite its status as an illegal substance, cheaper and more accessible than the legal medicine: heroin.

So as painkiller overdose deaths leveled off at around 16,000 to 17,000 for a few years, but later reached 19,000 in 2014, heroin deaths skyrocketed from just over 3,000 in 2010 to nearly 11,000 in 2014, according to CDC data. Though all heroin users didn't necessarily start with painkillers, it's the transition from painkillers to heroin, experts say, that led to the recent dramatic spike in heroin abuse.

The data backs this up: A 2014 study in JAMA Psychiatry found many painkiller users were moving on to heroin, and a 2015 CDC analysis found people who are addicted to prescription painkillers are 40 times more likely to be addicted to heroin.

Heroin is even deadlier than opioid painkillers — it's far more potent, and far more addictive. So even if a small number of painkiller users moved on to heroin, it would still, on a per-person basis, lead to far more deaths.

What's worse, painkiller and heroin users tend to mix opioids with other substances — like alcohol and cocaine — that exacerbate the risk of an overdose. A 2003 study found roughly half of heroin-related deaths involved alcohol, and the CDC found that 31 percent of prescription painkiller-linked overdose deaths in 2011 were also linked to benzodiazepines, a legal anti-anxiety drug.

There are also a growing number of reports of people using — and dying from — the very potent opioid fentanyl while using it by itself, with painkillers, or with heroin.

So as people used painkillers and moved on to heroin, they continued using all these other substances that made their risk of overdose much, much higher — and it's showing in the numbers.

That doesn't mean cracking down on painkillers was a mistake. It appeared to slow the rising number of painkiller deaths, and may have prevented doctors from prescribing the drugs — or letting them proliferate — to new generations of people who'd develop drug use disorders. So the crackdown did lead to more heroin deaths, but it will hopefully prevent future populations of drug abusers, which could have suffered even more overdose deaths.

That's why, though they knew it could lead to a temporary spike in heroin use, state and federal agencies came down on painkillers.

The rise in heroin deaths wasn't unexpected
Heroin preparation.© Provided by Vox.com Heroin preparation.
The results of a government crackdown on opioid painkiller prescriptions were long a concern in medical circles and among drug policy experts, who warned it could lead to a rise in heroin abuse.

"We always were concerned about heroin," Kevin Sabet, a former senior drug policy official for the Obama administration, told the Huffington Post in 2015. "We were always cognizant of the push-down, pop-up problem. But we weren't about to let these pill mills flourish in the name of worrying about something that hadn't happened yet. … When crooks are putting on white coats and handing out pills like candy, how could we expect a responsible administration not to act?"

The unintended consequence is a very typical result of governments' anti-drug efforts. It's called the balloon effect: When the government cracks down on one source of supply for drugs, people don't just stop using. Instead, they find another source — and the cycle continues.

The balloon effect has been observed not just with the crackdown on opioid painkillers, but with anti-drug efforts in Latin American countries. After the governments there cracked down on the illicit drug trade in the 1990s and 2000s, it simply shifted to other parts of Central and South America. This effect is one of the primary reasons the war on drugs has failed to significantly curtail drug trafficking.

But in the case of opioid painkillers, the consequence was new heroin users and deaths in sometimes unexpected places. Unlike the heroin epidemic of the 1960s and 1970s and the crack cocaine epidemic of the 1980s, the current epidemic isn't a mostly urban problem: The places reporting the biggest struggles with painkillers and heroin — like West Virginia and New Hampshire — tend to be very rural and very white.

As Sabet acknowledged, the government knew this was a possibility. But the feds still thought it was worth cutting off the supply of painkillers to prevent doctors and pharmacists from creating even more generations of problematic painkiller users.

But this didn't deal with all existing opioid users, who are now dying by the tens of thousands each year. To deal with that, policymakers are resorting to a mix of policies — some "tough on crime," others focused on public health programs.

The opioid epidemic hasn't led to a total "tough-on-crime" approach
Federal and state governments have, particularly since the 1970s, tended to respond to drug epidemics with tough-on-crime measures.

President Richard Nixon launched the modern war on drugs in 1971 in part as a response to the heroin epidemic of the time, which Nixon characterized as a "deadly poison in the American life stream." And President Ronald Reagan massively increased drug penalties in the 1980s as part of a response to the crack cocaine epidemic, which helps explain why possession of crack received a prison sentence 100 times as harsh as possession of the pharmacologically similar cocaine.

Drug policy experts widely agree that the "tough-on-crime" policies were too harsh and largely ineffective. Although these policies were meant to inflate the price of heroin, the drug's cost actually plummeted by more than 90 percent from 1981 to 2007. Illicit drug use, meanwhile, rose through the 2000s. And the mere existence of the current heroin crisis shows how ineffective these policies are — they can't even stop a full-blown epidemic.

Nonetheless, some lawmakers are doubling down on "tough-on-crime" policies in an attempt to deal with the opioid epidemic. Some states, for example, are charging drug dealers and suppliers with murder if the drug leads to a deadly overdose. In conservative states, like Louisiana and Indiana, officials have actually increased punishments for heroin dealing.

But in many other states, the opioid epidemic is inviting a very different approach: one focused on public health. Dozens of states have pulled back their harsh drug laws over the past several years. Even Michael Botticelli, the nation's drug czar and essentially the leader of the war on drugs, said in 2015 that "we can't arrest and incarcerate addiction out of people."

Race and class may play a role in the softer rhetoric in these places: While previous drug epidemics that inspired a tough-on-crime approach — such as the crack cocaine epidemic — predominantly hit poor black people in cities, the opioid epidemic is more likely to hit middle-class white people in more rural and suburban areas.

Budget concerns likely play a role, too. Faced with growing prison costs and the failure of the drug war to significantly curtail drug abuse, states have cut back on old tough-on-drugs tactics by, for example, pushing low-level offenders to specialized drug courts that attempt to put drug users in treatment and rehabilitation instead of jail and prison. (Although this approach has been heavily criticized.)

These are policy changes that should, at least in theory, benefit anyone with a drug problem, but people with opioid painkiller and heroin use disorders will be among the first to claim the results of reform due to the ongoing epidemic.

Whatever the cause, the public health approach is in line with both public and expert opinion. Polls show that most Americans prefer treating drugs as a public health issue, not a criminal one. And many experts, including the International Narcotics Control Board, have asked for a greater focus on public health policies to curtail demand for drugs.

The public health responses emphasize treatment and prevention
Michael Botticelli, head of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, advocates for a public health approach to drug abuse.© Provided by Vox.com Michael Botticelli, head of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, advocates for a public health approach to drug abuse.
In the places that have responded to the opioid epidemic through a public health, not criminal justice, approach, policymakers have focused on boosting access to harm reduction policies and drug abuse treatment.

Some jurisdictions have embraced harm reduction strategies: They acknowledge that some people will always use drugs, but there are steps policymakers can take to stop that drug use from turning deadly. Various state legislatures controlled by Democrats and Republicans have, for example, passed laws allowing police and even private individuals to carry naloxone, which reverses opioid overdoses. Others have tried clean-needle exchanges, which let drug users obtain clean needles if they trade in dirty ones to avoid the risk of HIV or hepatitis infection.

Meanwhile, some lawmakers are giving more attention to drug abuse treatment.

The Obama administration, for one, hasstepped up general spending on treatment and prevention programs over the past few years. It dedicated $2.5 million in 2015 to fight heroin abuse. The Department of Health and Human Services also unlocked more than $100 million for drug abuse treatment in 2016. And the administration helped launch a combination of federal, state, local, and private efforts in 2015 to provide better prescriber training and improve access to addiction treatment.

"The main distinction with this plan is the general acknowledgment that substance use is a public health issue," White House drug czar Michael Botticelli told me in 2014, speaking to his office's budget. "We can't arrest our way out of the problem, and we really need to focus our attention on proven public health strategies to make a significant difference as it relates to drug use and consequences to that in the United States."

This is all trying to address a serious gap in health care: According to 2014 federal data, at least 89 percent of people who meet the definition for a drug abuse disorder don't get treatment. (That's likely an underestimate: Federal household surveys leave out incarcerated and homeless individuals, who are more likely to have serious, untreated drug problems.)

One big concern: boosting access to medication-assisted treatments for addiction like methadone and Suboxone, opioids that when taken as prescribed can supplant someone's painkiller or heroin use without a similar risk of overdose or addiction. Decades of research have deemed these drugs effective. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institute on Drug Abuse, and World Health Organization acknowledge their medical value.

Still, even the most basic treatment remains out of access to many. There are many reasons for this gap, including stigma against drug users and addiction treatment. But one key factor is that there simply aren't enough treatment options and programs out there — sometimes people with drug use disorders have to wait weeks or months just to get into care.

So the Obama administration has put more resources toward treatment and prevention programs. At the same time, the administration has been advocating for scaling back the war on drugs by calling for reducing criminal penalties on nonviolent drug offenders.

That doesn't mean that the old tough-on-crime approach is completely gone. Most of the Office of National Drug Control Policy's budget, for one, continues going to law enforcement and interdiction efforts that are typical of the drug war. Many states still impose long prison sentences for heroin-related crimes, including possession.

But it is remarkable that the current epidemic hasn't led to a response focused solely on the criminal justice system, as previous drug crises have. For drug policy reformers, it's a small step forward — a sign that drug policies are potentially shifting to a less punitive approach.




:assimilate:

it has a video in it also


--------------------


Edited by ReposadoXochipilli (09/04/16 02:02 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFractal420
Psycellium
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/21/13
Posts: 5,913
Last seen: 8 months, 16 days
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23610650 - 09/04/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In my area this is common knowledge. Everyone got hooked on OCs and "Blues" (30mg oxy) for like 5 a pill, then price went up still doing it, then cant even get pills anymore, need something, freaking out getting sick, and anyone still going through this, dope shows up and saves the day. Now that dope is turning into carfentanil and just lost a friend the other day.

I dont fuck with this shit. Btw the recent influx of ODs, all not dope but sold as. Carfentanil and Acetyl. Im glad some DNMs are even banning this shit. These people needed to try some kratom, not dope. Separate issue (causing the ODs) Its another RC immitation problem like methylone as mdma, or NBOME as lucy but way way more deadly in this case. If someone is gonna sell carfentanil, should be clearly stated and just a few specks. Not cut in AS dope

Quote:

Cognitive_Shift said:
"Black tar heroin" is the gold standard in Columbus, OH where I'm from.  It's generally the highest purity heroin available in the city and its stronger then pain pills.  Of course it's location location location but black tar isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're a heroin user especially in the Midwest.




Cant it still be adulterated? Ive also heard many times people mistaking opium and black tar. Opium pods you can at least trust, if you need some somniferous pain relief


--------------------
Dreaming of That face again.
It's bright and blue and shimmering.
Grinning wide
And comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes.

Prying open MY third eye



Edited by Fractal420 (09/04/16 09:18 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekrishnalove
ᕙ(░ಥ╭͜ʖ╮ಥ░)━☆゚.*・。゚
I'm a teapot


Registered: 12/11/12
Posts: 343
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: Fractal420]
    #23610963 - 09/04/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

be safe out there, kids.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinexpl0de
ḆËŦŦЯ_őƑ_Ŧwo ƹvïlz
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 07/14/07
Posts: 2,213
Last seen: 3 years, 10 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: Fractal420]
    #23611271 - 09/04/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Shit is scary guys. Make sure you try out your new batches in gentle amounts before doing your usual dose


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefapjack
Title
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/26/07
Posts: 16,574
Loc: Central New Jersey
Last seen: 3 years, 10 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: xpl0de]
    #23612022 - 09/04/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:


As Keith Humphreys, drug policy expert at Stanford University, explained, the evidence on whether opioid painkillers can even treat chronic pain is weak at best, but it's clear that prolonged use can result in very bad risks and complications.




I stopped reading here...  Always a good idea to get a drug policy expert to comment on pharmacology on top of that.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineperikleous
Stranger

Registered: 04/22/15
Posts: 277
Loc: EuroZone Victim
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: timelapses]
    #23613136 - 09/04/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The Gov should have stepped in back in 2000 and put a federal prescription system in so it was interconnected and allowed each person to recieve 1 script for opioid meds per month, MAX, by allowing it to be up to the states it was left wide open to fraud. The Gov had the funding available by putting it in the cost of the meds and retrieving it from the makers, states dont have that power. However the GOV wanted this epidemic to eventually create the demand and fill it with Afghan H. why else are we still in Afghanistan, every military photo shows them guarding poppy fields there, our military, WHY? A Barrel of oil is $45, how much is a barrel of H worth? Seems strange that with all the types of alphabet  GOV agencies and all the individual police depts,coast guard, marine patrol Border patrol yet  the huge volumes still make it into the country and into the biggest cities with ease! individuals cannot do this, there would be shortages regularly and huge price spikes but Gov has no issues doing this! They enabled it in the 60s-70s Vietnam and 80s cocaine so why not now? They demand a drug free society, zero tolerance but seeing how the jails/prisons are overwhelmed w/ drugs and they are a closed system, GOV in complete control and no ability to stop it! How can they expect to keep it from a "free" society? People have pain and its not always physical, and that pain is going to be treated, whether by doctor/pharmacist or a street pharmacist, regardless people will medicate themselves, its human nature, If they want to fix the epidemic, remove the issues that cause it, bring back our employment and factories and ability to buy a home, pay debts including college debt, affordable medical care like other developed countries have! End these BS fake wars and invasions under false pretenses INCLUDING THE DRUG WAR, legalise everything in personal use form, and the RCs and synthetic dangerous replacement highs will be gone!  the once possible, now "nightmatrish" American Dream we all desire.. The self medicating will slow down!

Nobody would be using Meth if cocaine was legal, nobody would we cutting H with RC fentanyl if pills/ H was legal, I am sure not a soul would be smoking spice if weed was legal and Im not touching the BathSalts(LSD/MESC/SHROOMIES) we all know that answer!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTheDrake
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/15/07
Posts: 1,720
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: perikleous]
    #23613832 - 09/05/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would still choose meth if cocaine was made legal. Meth and cocaine are both stimulants but the similarities end there. The highs are very different.
however i do agree that there are a large amount of rcs that would cease to exist if all drugs were legal. Tons of garbage out there.

I think there are quite a few rcs that are better then the original drug they're meant to mimic. I prefer 5-mapb over mdma, 2c-e and 2c-t2 are my favorite psychedelics ever. I've seen a lot of people on these forums prefer the 4-sub tryptamine rcs over mushrooms. Then you've got mxe, tons and tons of people prefer this over ketamine. I think there are an amazing amount of awesome recreational drugs to be discovered yet. To think the best recreational drugs ever are the ones mankind discovered first is a crazy idea to me. :twocents:


Edited by TheDrake (09/05/16 06:27 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineperikleous
Stranger

Registered: 04/22/15
Posts: 277
Loc: EuroZone Victim
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: TheDrake]
    #23614160 - 09/05/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not really the discovered as much as the ones created in a lab, The synthetics should go, a natural plant is one thing, adding RC that have no history to know any long term effects like how your brain will react down the road or if addiction is the long term effect or something much worse, sorry but spice isnt weed and fentanyl is not opium meth isnt cocaine. Bathsalts are not lsd/shrooms/mesc. The plants have years upon yrs of proven side effects and issues created from use, the RCs do not!! They are simply trying to mimmick the effects of desired drug to sell legally.Why mimmick something when the real one can be available legally?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineperikleous
Stranger

Registered: 04/22/15
Posts: 277
Loc: EuroZone Victim
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: perikleous]
    #23614175 - 09/05/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sadly this story gets worse when digging, you will see that big pharma and gov are doing this together, seeing as donations to gov (lobbying funds) to pass legislation on naloxone to be carried by police/state officials/medical techns. The gov gives 50mill to several states with OD issues(32 states) to help with there epidemic, so nice of them, not rehab/detox help but naloxone for everyone who HAS to carry it, and low and behold the 5 companies who control naloxone have raised prices from as low as 92cents a dose to what is now $15 and the nasal dose(for inexperienced techs is thousands per ea dose) up from $200.... This is a criminal conspiracy by the powers that be when the lobbiest gives the loot to buy the drugs they control the price of!!! Here is a $100 off coupon and a $500 rebate to buy a tv from crazy eddies, sadly the tv price will be raised $2000 to anyone w/ coupon-rebate offer, but you must use the coupon if recieved, thats policy!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefractalsybolism
Stranger

Registered: 08/20/16
Posts: 360
Last seen: 7 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: perikleous]
    #23614982 - 09/05/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Because opiates are dizzle?

And most people are slaves to big corporations, and they need something to help them forget that they are getting jammed up every day?  So they can be less angry at the end of the day, about the destruction all around them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSham87
mashAllah
Male

Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 9,818
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23614990 - 09/05/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and to think they're planning on banning kratom. This country is moronic.


--------------------
:mushroom2::sun::crazy2::leaf:




...once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest places if you look at it right...



:feelsgoatman:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineperikleous
Stranger

Registered: 04/22/15
Posts: 277
Loc: EuroZone Victim
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: Sham87]
    #23615014 - 09/05/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its got to be banned, its use will cut into GoV heroin profits, who do you think supplies NY,CA,Chicago,Miami and so forth,certainly not mexican boogiemen... Just like Naloxone and no rehab facilities, so they can keep you alive and buying there product, dead customers are bad for business, and rehab hurts our bottom line!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineperikleous
Stranger

Registered: 04/22/15
Posts: 277
Loc: EuroZone Victim
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: Sham87]
    #23615018 - 09/05/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

same lobbyists paying to keep weed and psychedelics illegal, big pharma and big alcohol they do not want a natural free plant to kill there profits.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerider420
Ghost in the machine
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/11/16
Posts: 659
Last seen: 4 months, 7 days
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: perikleous]
    #23618206 - 09/06/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There are two types of addictions. Opioids, alcohol, and tobacco are good examples of drugs that cause pain if not taken "withdrawal symptoms", then there are mushroom and cannabis drugs that may cause desire but not withdrawal pain. Understanding the difference in these addictions is key to avoiding unwanted pain. BUT as long as the DEA claims cannabis is more harmful then tobacco the water will remain muddy and most people won't have a clue as to the real dangers of tobacco and alcohol or the real medical benefits from cannabis and magic mushrooms.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledurian_2008
Cornucopian Eating an Elephant
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/02/08
Posts: 16,693
Loc: Raccoon City
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: rider420]
    #23626615 - 09/08/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They're telling people on legitimately-prescribed doses that it's safe to sometimes take an extra pill.

The amount is always, just-barely inadequate.

No extras are prescribed.

So, they wind up in withdrawals, at the end of every month, without fail.

It seems that hoarding is not an option, as any less will leave them in withdrawals.

And, while these people are clearly being controlled, situationally, I am finding that any and all opioids have to be under lock-and-key, as they won't plan ahead and stop themselves.

I have in mind, some intellectual property, which can create this material, cheaply and in bulk, but am conflicted about patenting it, as it affects people, morally.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLIBERTYNY
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/07/16
Posts: 210
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #23627356 - 09/08/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im so sick of all this 'opiate epidemic' BS

The problem is the 'war on drugs' not the drugs themselves

Anyone with actual pain gets F'ed over by the entire system becouses of a few fools OD'ed

I wish everyone would quite blameing the doctors for doing their jobs (Which their no longer able to do)
  They never forced anyone to take anything, they just write scripts so the patient may make a choice for themself.

  Im a former H addict I cant tell you how many people I know are in jail/prision becouse they resorted to desperate act's of crime to avoid WD's .  99% of these people were more than willing to be some of the hardest workers imaginable to support their habit.  But it was never enouth to compete with the massive inflation of the "black market' along with the schedules of dealers.

  Why not just let them legally buy opiates at a fair market value  ? ?  The economy will gain hundreds of millions of HARD workers, and you and I will not be robed blind to pay for it, prisions will empty, OD's will drop.
  I have to remind you the most productive period in american history was a period of nearly no drug regulation


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineperikleous
Stranger

Registered: 04/22/15
Posts: 277
Loc: EuroZone Victim
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: rider420]
    #23627570 - 09/08/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

MORE HARMFUL THEN TOBACCO, they have it classed same as Heroin! As for two types of addictions, there are none, theres use, abuse and dependence on something! Dependence being alcohol,H,Pain meds,Xanax meaning illness following stopping will require redosing to avoid it! That illness/seizures can threaten life! Then there is cocaine which desire to use more (craving it) no illness, no worse than a gambler not wanting to stop while in the moment (thats abuse), the weed smoker regardless of volume used is not an addict by any means, he will have depression if he stops (no different then taking away sex/money or anything that brings pleasure, but its a desire to USE there is no addiction, same as shrooms, and all plant based psychedelics... I do not mention RCs (which include meth) because I do not see them as drugs I see them as a sickness because the criminality of drugs, stop the drug war, the RCs dissappear for plant based pleasure!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineperikleous
Stranger

Registered: 04/22/15
Posts: 277
Loc: EuroZone Victim
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: LIBERTYNY]
    #23627605 - 09/08/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Could not have said it better, I couldn't agree more, When you look at the level of production in the US through the mid-late 80s you see a work ethic that fueled the greed of American corporations today and a huge part of that was the short window 79-87 of cocaine being generally accepted then, the users were super productive, due mostly to the high 24/7 but to support that high/lifestyle, sadly CRACK gave cocaine a bad name, the crime that followed crushed that era. The drug war is what creates the craze/price/criminality. Take away the black market and regulate/tax it and the prison/murder/violence/poisonings/OD all change for the better! Once its legal and affordable by all(due to being legal) the desire/binges get in check.. The gamblers in states with legal gaming are not the issue, its the states that do not allow it that have people going crazy when given opportunity. Like students in catholic school who become lunatics at 3pm, because they have been "locked down" too long in school, tell someone NO/ they can't,and they desire it more! In most places in Europe anyone can buy alcohol, its not legal but kids can buy it, the kids do not have drinking problems like in the US, why do you think that is ? During Prohibition in the US, NY was a state that didnt follow the fed policy and was the state with the least violence/alcohol poisoning in the US, the rest of the country was basically drinking rubbing alcohol to get there high, and killing each other to get it!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechimp
touching the cosmos
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/01/13
Posts: 667
Last seen: 2 years, 3 months
Re: Opioid and pain killer epidemic explained [Re: perikleous]
    #23629488 - 09/09/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kind of funny our "heroin" epidemic didnt start until we invaded Afghanistan. The taliban strictly forbid poppy cultivation. Now field upon fields of poppy are produced. Even iraq has a heroin epidemic. That would of never happened if saddam was still in power. Not saying he was a great guy, but we put him in charge of iraq. He'd still be there if he didn't want to fuck with the petro dollar. Now 15 years later, thousands of lives lost in a useless war, the lands we occupy now are poisoning our population with heroin. Thanks government!This in turn funds the dea and our for profit prison system.Smells fishy to me. How is it that most of the heroin, with the exception of mexican black tar, comes from a place we occupy and want to spread our lovely "democracy". Those people dont want democracy, and they need to be ruled by an iron fist. Look at the shit hole the american government has created in afganistan, iraq, and by our funding the arab spring. American politics need a complete revolution.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Kraken Kratom Buy Kratom Powder & Leaf   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* LSD faces an acid test as a pain killer veggieM 2,635 7 02/18/06 04:13 PM
by Koala Koolio
* DEA Retraction of Pain FAQ Angers, Scares Doctors and Patients 12/3/04 motamanM 3,643 4 12/06/04 03:34 PM
by Asante
* Abuse of fentanyl pain patch on the rise veggieM 1,681 0 06/02/06 11:37 PM
by veggie
* Flexible pain relief with morphine-free poppy motamanM 1,110 2 07/18/05 12:40 PM
by gdman
* New Data Hint At Oncoming Cocaine Epidemic motamanM 2,982 12 11/02/06 02:37 PM
by chodamunky
* Study: Obesity an Epidemic in U.S. AnnoA 782 0 03/13/04 12:44 AM
by Anno
* Misuse of Pain Drug Linked to Hearing Loss motamanM 3,397 3 11/12/17 12:28 PM
by CookieCrumbs
* Teens Abusing Cold Remedies in Epidemic Numbers motamanM 1,900 3 02/21/04 01:10 AM
by zeta

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: motaman, veggie, Alan Rockefeller, Mostly_Harmless
2,743 topic views. 0 members, 17 guests and 4 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 14 queries.