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Invisiblesudly
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If the Nazis ever won..
    #23609194 - 09/03/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What would life be like?

Either way, it's all meaningless.
Fecundity is the purpose of life and meanings are abstractly created through the interpretation processes of the human psyche.

The CNS is the human psyche.



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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: sudly]
    #23609294 - 09/03/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would imagine like The Jetsons


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: SuperFly]
    #23609394 - 09/03/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

read 1984
read 1984
read 1984
read 1984


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: micolatria] * 1
    #23612113 - 09/04/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

1984 covers the surveillance/police state aspect(and my favorite), Brave New World covers the eugenics/science-sans-ethics aspect


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: Crumist]
    #23612566 - 09/04/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yes i would to post brave new world, but i did not remember book title, cause i red it in spanish version Un mundo feliz...
however 1984 and NBW can be mixed and you will get a Nazi state, does not it? remember in both novels english is spoke, other languages are dead  :death:


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: micolatria]
    #23612764 - 09/04/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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crack187 said:
yes i would to post brave new world, but i did not remember book title, cause i red it in spanish version Un mundo feliz...
however 1984 and NBW can be mixed and you will get a Nazi state, does not it? remember in both novels english is spoke, other languages are dead  :death:




An important takeaway from 1984 is that conventional English is 'dead' (or at least that's the goal) whittled down to 'Newspeak' which is the set, select government issued vocab introduced for propoganda and mind limitation.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: Crumist]
    #23613428 - 09/05/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've read the Leviathen series by Terry Pratchett and that was pretty cool.
It was Nazi robots vs Allied genetic monsters.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: sudly]
    #23613506 - 09/05/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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sudly said:
What would life be like?

Either way, it's all meaningless.
Fecundity is the purpose of life and meanings are abstractly created through the interpretation processes of the human psyche.

...




there are the seemingly dualisticaly opposed words: 'moral' & 'immoral'

but there is a third word: 'amoral'

which say, refers to the tiger, who kills but is not immoral because that is its nature, hence we can't call it bad. It is outside of the dichotomy.

so we have the words: 'meaning' and 'meaningless'

but I think we need a third word

because not everything that doesn't fit into the category 'meaningful' is necessarily 'meaningless'. To call things 'meaningless' is actually to judge them by the yardstick of "meaningfulness" ( however one might chooses to define "meaningfulness").

if one is going to try and perceive reality through abstractly created notions one might as well have an expanding vocabulary.

'meaning'/'meaningfulness' and 'meaningless' seem such a tired old pair.
"purpose' and 'purposeless' seem likewise overly serious and confining.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: laughingdog]
    #23613552 - 09/05/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

From a truly dualistic approach there are only two types of perspectives, explicit perspectives(physical tendencies) and implicit perspectives(ideas in our heads).

Although I do believe the two major branches of explicit and implicit perspectives can be further broken down, it's just a simplified example.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: sudly]
    #23614054 - 09/05/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not to mention there is a whole genre out there of alternate history "what if the Nazi's won"
its actually gives me pause to see so many such books in a mainstream bookstore.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: Crumist]
    #23615963 - 09/05/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

uncle sam is a nazi


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23615972 - 09/05/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Duncan Rowhl said:
An important takeaway from 1984 is that conventional English is 'dead' (or at least that's the goal) whittled down to 'Newspeak' which is the set, select government issued vocab introduced for propoganda and mind limitation.




ok

nice Aquino avatar


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23618716 - 09/06/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Watch the series Man in the High Castle.  Mind-blowing! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740299/ ; :hitler:


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23618798 - 09/06/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The book is even better. (PKD)


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23619940 - 09/06/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
The book is even better. (PKD)




I'm certain you are correct. I am familiar with the Amazon TV series, which was nicely done.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. *DELETED* [Re: micolatria]
    #23620659 - 09/07/16 03:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: Hobozen]
    #23621143 - 09/07/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hobozen said:
Quote:

crack187 said:
uncle sam is a nazi






Be afraid... be very afraid. And listen to the victors words (no fool, behind the curtain, the real victor) and you dare question or we'll lock you up like we did with thwt 80yo granny.




:okay:

uncle sam is a kinda police watching all over world: spying, politics, economy, etc, etc....


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: micolatria]
    #23640725 - 09/13/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I doubt a Nazi victory would have lasted until 1984. Plots to kill Hitler were fairly frequent. While the p[otters were frequently motivated by doing the right thing, I think trying to avoid be hung in postwar tribunals enterred their minds.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23643072 - 09/13/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:seriousthumbsup:

great explanation...


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: micolatria]
    #23649707 - 09/16/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If the Nazis ever won I would have never been born.


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23651566 - 09/16/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If the Nazis ever won I would have never been born.




:1up:


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: micolatria]
    #23652202 - 09/17/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Then we'd have really awesome animal rights


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Re: If the Nazis ever won.. [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23661050 - 09/20/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:puke:


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