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Bulk...everything.
#23608540 - 09/03/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm getting into growing medicinal mushrooms for profit and a study lately, but processing these grains take so long! I soak them in 5 gallon buckets for 24 hours, drain them, throw them into the biggest pot and pan I have for boiling on the stove, I steam dry what I can in a strainer, but there is too much. I end up laying it out on a row of baking sheets, with a fan to help dry them. Next, I've been putting them in extra large filter patch bags, and PCing them @ 22 PSI for 3.5 hours. Sadly, only one bag fits in the 22.5Q pressure cooker at a time. A second one is just barely to big 
I'm looking for a way to soak 50 lbs of grain, boil it preferably in the same container, and then load them into bags for sterilization. Any ideas on how to sterilize large amounts at a time, other than buying more pressure cookers?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23608629 - 09/03/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Build a steamer as for grain prep I bucket tek large amounts
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: cronicr]
#23608673 - 09/03/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Build a steamer as for grain prep I bucket tek large amounts
There are multiple bucket teks out there. I'm trying to find the grain one, but am not having much luck just yet. Are there any keywords that would help me find the one you're talking about?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23608682 - 09/03/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no tek...I simply boil water and add it to the grain in a five gallon bucket and wait an hour...check the grains moisture n if it's good I drain it out and proceed
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: cronicr]
#23608730 - 09/03/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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For real
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Terpfreak]
#23608797 - 09/03/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't see why not... it's not like he's using it for spawn right after or anything. Still goes through the sterilization process. Unless "For real" was intended less to be incredulous and more affirmative.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: cronicr]
#23608897 - 09/03/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: There is no tek...I simply boil water and add it to the grain in a five gallon bucket and wait an hour...check the grains moisture n if it's good I drain it out and proceed
Are you saying that is for the step after soaking? I soak for 24 hours, in hopes that any endospores will hatch before sterilization.
Do you have a way of sterilizing the grain without a pressure cooker?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23608903 - 09/03/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can steam it for like 8 hours and pray to the deity of your choice, cron's demonstrated that to work pretty well. I think he used dank nugs instead of prayer though.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Inocuole]
#23608963 - 09/03/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would scale up foomans wbs tek as cron describes, add more time if its a larger grain than wbs.
As for drying them, get some 2x4s and door screen and make a huge drying rack with walls(2x4 tall ways) to keep grain from spilling, and fans.
A steamer would rule, if you find a deal on a couple 941s or better yet sterilizers, just put the fuckin money up and get them
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Terpfreak]
#23609035 - 09/03/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Been soaking/simmering in my PC and it takes much too long to heat up.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Inocuole]
#23609438 - 09/03/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You can steam it for like 8 hours and pray to the deity of your choice, cron's demonstrated that to work pretty well. I think he used dank nugs instead of prayer though.
So, he sterilizes using a steamer of sorts? If its big enough to hold more than my pressure cooker, I'm up for it. Where can I find how to do that?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23609528 - 09/03/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dont be up for it. i used a steamer for my first run of wbs. 10 pints. only 1 jar survived. just use your PC in small batches. its not worth the headache.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: mushboy]
#23609857 - 09/03/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do large operations do it?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23610898 - 09/04/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You can steam it for like 8 hours and pray to the deity of your choice, cron's demonstrated that to work pretty well. I think he used dank nugs instead of prayer though.
So, he sterilizes using a steamer of sorts? If its big enough to hold more than my pressure cooker, I'm up for it. Where can I find how to do that?
No, but he has before and it worked, that's not to say you should, anybody and everybody would recommend properly PCing it.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23610916 - 09/04/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stargate said: How do large operations do it?
They probably use a large pc
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Large sterilizers/steamers actually a lot of the time. The largest PC you can get is definitely large enough for cubes though.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Inocuole]
#23610939 - 09/04/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Large sterilizers/steamers actually a lot of the time. The largest PC you can get is definitely large enough for cubes though.
I believe RR had posted his before and also Paul stamets had shown a amazing stainless one I think 20'x10'
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: spore-ty]
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Inocuole said: Large sterilizers/steamers actually a lot of the time. The largest PC you can get is definitely large enough for cubes though.
I believe RR had posted his before and also Paul stamets had shown a amazing stainless one I think 20'x10'

That's cool
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Oh wow I just realized your username. Rotary sucks... Boxer engine all day
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: spore-ty]
#23611020 - 09/04/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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spore-ty said: Oh wow I just realized your username. Rotary sucks... Boxer engine all day
Haha
Yeah I fucked up when typing my user name pressed 9 instead of 8 I've blown up way more Scooby bottom ends than rotor tips but this is off topic sorry to op
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Violet describes a method similar to what cronicr just described. If I understand him correctly here is what he is suggesting:
Take your grain of choice(I prefer Rye or wheat) and place it into a large bucket that can be strained easily Pour boiling hot water over top of the grains and allow them to soak in that hot water for anywhere from 1 to 4 or more hours until the grains are mostly hydrated. I also add gypsum to the grain before pouring the water over them.
Strain the water off the grain and allow to drip dry for a few minutes.
Load into bags or jars and PC as per usual (1.5 hours for jars, 2.5+ hours for bags)
To make straining easier I drilled many holes into the bottom of my bucket and place it into a larger bucket below to hold the water, this way when I want to strain I simply lift the bucket with the holes and grain out of the larger bucket and the water strains out.
The grains do not have to be completely dry like they do with the soak simmer strain method because the lack of simmering means the grains will still absorb some more water during the PC cycle.
If you want to process 50 pounds at a time you would have 4 or 5 buckets of grain soaked with boiling water, then strained then loaded into bags and PCd in a PC941. You'll have more bags of grain than can fit into a 941 all at once so the remaining bags would be placed into a refrigerator to keep as you run the cooker through multiple cycles.
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I wonder if I could just construct one. I would just need a large aluminum barrel of some kind. Same concept as the AA cookers. Boil water in the bottom, and have the pressure gauge, blowout metal plug, and release valve on the top. Any ideas where I could get a barrel that would work for this? Maybe one of those metal beer barrels?
I have a research & development company, which has a prototyping lab. I can build what I need in there. If I find an appropriate barrel, I'll probably make it, and post on my step-by-step on this forum.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23611818 - 09/04/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've seen people use large propane or o2 tanks for them. Dunno if a barrel could withstand the pressure. You would need to weld and or cut a tank though and if you're not a pro welder it would prob be better for a pro to do. I've seen people here do it. Azure as a thread about his.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23611866 - 09/04/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stargate said: I wonder if I could just construct one.
yeah you can, here's RRs http://www.mushroomvideos.com/55-Gallon-Drum-Sterilizer and there's plenty of people in the gourmet section who has writeups on theirs as well.
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A large propane tank could work. I'm a good welder, but I do have a guy that is a pro welder. His welds looks like a machine did it.
Well, I've found an option that could be good for me on craigslist. Someone is selling a 500 gallon tank for $300. That could work. Now, I'll just have to design the door of it. If I need custom hinges, I can cast them.
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Stargate said: I wonder if I could just construct one.
yeah you can, here's RRs http://www.mushroomvideos.com/55-Gallon-Drum-Sterilizer and there's plenty of people in the gourmet section who has writeups on theirs as well.
Thanks for the link. That's what I was looking for! 
I wonder which I should do. Perhaps this smaller one first, than move onto the bigger one?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23611913 - 09/04/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should plan ahead and make one that will fit your needs the best. There's no point in having a huge 55gal sterilizer unless you plan to put in the works. So I have no idea 
I'm trying to find some similar builds that may be easier but I'm having a hard time remembering who posted it.. some ran over propane burners..hmm..
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Well, for my medicinal mushroom project, I would like to sterilize 50 lbs per day. That should meet the demand of the project.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
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Cool!
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If you go to groment pages grower bluids a steam steriler for same price as a big aa cooker. He can fit 250 lbs of anything in there. As grain prep goes. Easier and cheapest is cracked corn. Take a 30 gallon plastic barrel and dump 50 lb bag of cracked corn . fill it with water and wait 24 hours. Dump out using a window screen in two laudry shinks. Then after an hour load them up in bags. Cook 24 hours and done.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
#23612027 - 09/04/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome 
Which thread of gr0wer's is it? I'm looking around, but nothing popped out as obvious to me.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23612054 - 09/04/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
#23612067 - 09/04/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tump said: Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
Agar > LI > Spawn jar > Liquid Slurry > Spawn jars > Liquid Slurries > Substrates
Some medicinal mushrooms, I grow on grain. Others get substrates. It just depends on which mushroom I'm dealing with case to case.
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Also you must have a lot of space can i move into your grow room
Hahaha, well, I actually only have grow space of 600 sq ft at the moment, but I make racks, and stack things high.
I'm setting up to expand. The plan is to bury a set of 8 shipping containers underground, welded together, and the inner walls cut out strategically. Wash room, agar room, grain spawn room, and fruiting room. Of course, you can only walk from room to room from the beginning to the end, but can never go backwards. That's to help prevent contaminating. Wouldn't want to bring something from the fruiting room into the spawn room, or worse, the agar room.
Of course, it would be fit with fresh air flow, plumbing, and lighting.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
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tump said: Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
Agar > LI > Spawn jar > Liquid Slurry > Spawn jars > Liquid Slurries > Substrates
That is so many vectors... What's to stop you from just making more LI, then skipping the two stages of slurries? I mean if it works it works, I'd just have never thought to do it that way. Is there a benefit?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Inocuole]
#23612648 - 09/04/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tump said: Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
Agar > LI > Spawn jar > Liquid Slurry > Spawn jars > Liquid Slurries > Substrates
That is so many vectors... What's to stop you from just making more LI, then skipping the two stages of slurries? I mean if it works it works, I'd just have never thought to do it that way. Is there a benefit?
One LI gives me only so many jars (2-3). Very few, as I'm trying to colonize the jars as fast as possible (5 days). Using the liquid slurry, I'm able to make each jar, inoculate about 10-20 other jars, and have those all colonize in 5 days. Using this method, I can take 10 days agar plates to colonize for the LI, 5 days to colonize my masters, than slurry those, and inoculate up to 60 jars which are ready 5 days later.
So, from spores to 60 colonized jars in 20 days. Add 5 more days, and you can turn those into 1,200 jars if you were up for the task.
Its just my way of making a lot of spawn as fast as I can think of.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
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I think this may be easier:
Agar>LC>Jars
with a large powerful stir plate you can make 4L of LC... that's 4000ml of innoculant. If you prep your grain on the dry side you can use 10ml LC per quart, so that's 400 quart jars which is about 20 pounds of grain. 10ml of LC to 1 quart gives me 3 to 4 days for full colonization. a few rare earth magnets, a muffin fan, some scraps of wood, a few wood screws, a dimmer switch, a stir bar, and a large pickle jar with a modified lid and you can be easily making 4L of LC.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
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Why is speed/size such an issue? I think you're looking at this hobby the wrong way mate...
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Thedillestpickle said: I think this may be easier:
Agar>LC>Jars
with a large powerful stir plate you can make 4L of LC... that's 4000ml of innoculant. If you prep your grain on the dry side you can use 10ml LC per quart, so that's 400 quart jars which is about 20 pounds of grain. 10ml of LC to 1 quart gives me 3 to 4 days for full colonization. a few rare earth magnets, a muffin fan, some scraps of wood, a few wood screws, a dimmer switch, a stir bar, and a large pickle jar with a modified lid and you can be easily making 4L of LC.
I've had my fun with LC, but due to not being able to tell if the LC is contaminated or not, I'm not willing to use it. I can't risk the cost. I would rather be able to check for contamination on every step of the way.
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TurnUpShroom said: Why is speed/size such an issue? I think you're looking at this hobby the wrong way mate... 
Maybe for you it is. For me, this is for a scientific study I'm working on, trying to find what medical mushroom mixes are the best for curing specific cancers. Also, I've got the oysters, lions mane, and a morel patch that I'm working for profit. For me, this is a business. Not a hobby. It only started as a hobby.
Yeah, my sig shows only cubes, but in reality, my last batch of cubes was 2 years ago.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
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I agree with op here Speed is key. Agar to li is clean but i still stuggle with it. A good lc thats not blender takes forever. I recently blender one of my pints of lc and pour it into 10 jars that took 6 days. But a quart of slurry would easy 150 quarts done. You can't beat speed . i have horrible hand eye correction issues when takes a bicth year to just knock up 20 jars slurry wise about 2 hours. Vs cleaning off silcone ports to inject 5 ml of lc can do 120 jars a hour. The whole point is slurries are the bomb. I'd would use them all the time if i had better motor skills. Why spend two weeks making 4000ml of lc which you be inpossible get out cleanly. You be better off on lc in small amounts and make 30 half pints and using them per batch of grains.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
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What do you mean that 4000ml of LC would be impossible to get out cleanly?
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tump thinks you have to blend your LC to make it liquid. Dont ask me why most likely a language barrier somewhere in the mix..
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Is a language barrier also why he thinks speed is more important than cleanliness?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Inocuole]
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Perhaps he meant how the LC forms clumps too large to suck up with the syringe, so you have to break them up?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
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maybe, I've talked with him about it before and to me it really seemed like he meant using an actual blender like you would LI then at least. it may be language barriers, it may be drugs, i might have been way stoned..who knows
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Here is the thing when you get into commercial production, it becomes more efficient to buy spawn rather than processing it. Amycel sells the best commercial oyster spawn for about $1 lb. and there are other companies, Aloha, Sylvan. It typically becomes worth it if you don't have any employees when most of your time will be spent preparing and sterilizing/pasteurizing substrates, caring for your grow room, harvesting, preparing for market, and then of course deliveries or afternoons at the farmers market. Don't feel like any less of a cultivator for buying spawn, it's what 99% of all commercial gourmet mushroom cultivators do.
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Rooster, do they sell different types of spawn, or different mixes?
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Amycel is millet spawn, aloha switches it up, last time I got some from them it was a millet/sorghum mix. Amycel is the best commercial oyster spawn but for a good variety of top quality medicinal and gourmet strains and spawn, Aloha culture bank is the place, check out their website.
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Also, about fitting bags in the PC, you should be able to process 25 lb.s of grain in a 22 quart cooker when you get more comfortable packing the PC in tight, in the end spacers are not required but a longer PC time is needed. If you do want to go the route of making your own grains for commercial growing you should have at least 2 AA941's and a bulk steamer for subtrates, I would invest in those first off, and do not expect to make any profit for at least over a year, but don't be discouraged by that, all of the hard work and initial investments will pay off if you go about it the right way and carefully.
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Are those places, stores? I'm having trouble finding how to purchase on the sites. Also, where is the amycel prices?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
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So, here is the thing with Amycel, you have to order over the phone, it's very archaic, some little old lady will take your order and you either mail them a cashiers check and they will send the spawn when they get it or last time I actually got it COD and got it within a few days of ordering. They deal with large farms like Monteray Mushrooms so it's actually a service itself just them offering spawn to the public, highly worth it, you can take the grains to agar and then slants to keep the cultures after you get them anyways.
With Aloha you can order online somewhere there but I always do it over the phone because they will have dozens of options for spawn ready to be sent that wont be listed on the website, also suggestions, they will help you choose the right strain for you and great info, that place is smart as hell.
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Oh and Amycel sells their spawn in 22 lb. bags for 22 bucks and the strain is Amycel 3015 grey oyster. Aloha will have a little higher prices but far more selection and an undeniable quality.
These are my Amycel 3015 oysters
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Rooster Cogburn said: Oh and Amycel sells their spawn in 22 lb. bags for 22 bucks and the strain is Amycel 3015 grey oyster. Aloha will have a little higher prices but far more selection and an undeniable quality.
These are my Amycel 3015 oysters

Awesome! Whats the BE on those? Also, how are they selling? $12/lb?
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I have never recorded actual BE with those, but it's popular so I'm sure those figures are somewhere around. I do $12/lb at the market but mainly sell them $4 1/4 lb., people buy them more by the 1/4 lb.especially if you have a few other varieties, I do $10 lb. to chefs though. I also do King Oysters which in the end is the real bread earner, they go for $6 1/4 lb. and people get hooked on them and will come back every week looking for you, for chefs though they still go for $10 lb. to keep those guys happy and the time and money saved not going to the market.
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Yep i say what i mean. There is nothing wrong with buying the spawn for edible I've done it twice now. It's all about effort vs cost. For me edibles spawn is about 1.50 a pound for grains which is sky high vs your cost of doing it yourself. If you do the math vs labor cost it adds up to more then a min wage job. My grain i buy is 7.3 cents a pound the enegry to cook and water +gypsum makes it 24 cents a pound to produce. If he needs 50 lbs a day then its 350lbs a week ×(1.50-.24)350 =441 dallors a week in extra cost.
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