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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
    #23614052 - 09/05/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What do you mean that 4000ml of LC would be impossible to get out cleanly?


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Thedillestpickle]
    #23614084 - 09/05/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

tump thinks you have to blend your LC to make it liquid. Dont ask me why :shrug: most likely a language barrier somewhere in the mix..


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: spacechildo]
    #23614152 - 09/05/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is a language barrier also why he thinks speed is more important than cleanliness?


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Inocuole]
    #23614173 - 09/05/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yes.

language barriers are your last defence against losing all faith in humanity.


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: spacechildo]
    #23615077 - 09/05/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps he meant how the LC forms clumps too large to suck up with the syringe, so you have to break them up?


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
    #23615107 - 09/05/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

maybe, I've talked with him about it before and to me it really seemed like he meant using an actual blender like you would LI then at least.
it may be language barriers, it may be drugs, i might have been way stoned..who knows :lol:


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: spacechildo]
    #23615202 - 09/05/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Here is the thing when you get into commercial production, it becomes more efficient to buy spawn rather than processing it. Amycel sells the best commercial oyster spawn for about $1 lb. and there are other companies, Aloha, Sylvan.
It typically becomes worth it if you don't have any employees when most of your time will be spent preparing and sterilizing/pasteurizing substrates, caring for your grow room, harvesting, preparing for market, and then of course deliveries or afternoons at the farmers market.
Don't feel like any less of a cultivator for buying spawn, it's what 99% of all commercial gourmet mushroom cultivators do.


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23615499 - 09/05/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Rooster, do they sell different types of spawn, or different mixes?


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
    #23616254 - 09/05/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Amycel is millet spawn, aloha switches it up, last time I got some from them it was a millet/sorghum mix.
Amycel is the best commercial oyster spawn but for a good variety of top quality medicinal and gourmet strains and spawn, Aloha culture bank is the place, check out their website.


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23616317 - 09/05/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also, about fitting bags in the PC, you should be able to process 25 lb.s of grain in a 22 quart cooker when you get more comfortable packing the PC in tight, in the end spacers are not required but a longer PC time is needed.
If you do want to go the route of making your own grains for commercial growing you should have at least 2 AA941's and a bulk steamer for subtrates, I would invest in those first off, and do not expect to make any profit for at least over a year, but don't be discouraged by that, all of the hard work and initial investments will pay off if you go about it the right way and carefully.


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23616364 - 09/05/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Are those places, stores? I'm having trouble finding how to purchase on the sites. Also, where is the amycel prices?


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
    #23616395 - 09/05/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So, here is the thing with Amycel, you have to order over the phone, it's very archaic, some little old lady will take your order and you either mail them a cashiers check and they will send the spawn when they get it or last time I actually got it COD and got it within a few days of ordering. They deal with large farms like Monteray Mushrooms so it's actually a service itself just them offering spawn to the public, highly worth it, you can take the grains to agar and then slants to keep the cultures after you get them anyways.

With Aloha you can order online somewhere there but I always do it over the phone because they will have dozens of options for spawn ready to be sent that wont be listed on the website, also suggestions, they will help you choose the right strain for you and great info, that place is smart as hell.


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23616408 - 09/05/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh and Amycel sells their spawn in 22 lb. bags for 22 bucks and the strain is Amycel 3015 grey oyster. Aloha will have a little higher prices but far more selection and an undeniable quality.

These are my Amycel 3015 oysters


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23616510 - 09/05/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh and Amycel sells their spawn in 22 lb. bags for 22 bucks and the strain is Amycel 3015 grey oyster. Aloha will have a little higher prices but far more selection and an undeniable quality.

These are my Amycel 3015 oysters




Awesome! Whats the BE on those? Also, how are they selling? $12/lb?


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
    #23618397 - 09/06/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have never recorded actual BE with those, but it's popular so I'm sure those figures are somewhere around.
I do $12/lb at the market but mainly sell them $4 1/4 lb., people buy them more by the 1/4 lb.especially if you have a few other varieties, I do $10 lb. to chefs though.
I also do King Oysters which in the end is the real bread earner, they go for $6 1/4 lb. and people get hooked on them and will come back every week looking for you, for chefs though they still go for $10 lb. to keep those guys happy and the time and money saved not going to the market.


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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: spacechildo]
    #23618413 - 09/06/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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maybe, I've talked with him about it before and to me it really seemed like he meant using an actual blender like you would LI then at least.
it may be language barriers, it may be drugs, i might have been way stoned..who knows :lol:




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This a lc made form a spore sryice. Im blending it with blender then pouring intob10 grain jars. My sterile crap to hell. C ontams city right next to whisky town. Ill keep updates




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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23620636 - 09/07/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yep i say what i mean. There is nothing wrong with buying the spawn for edible I've done it twice now. It's all about effort vs cost. For me edibles spawn is about 1.50 a pound for grains which is sky high vs your cost of doing it yourself. If you do the math vs labor cost it adds up to more then a min wage job. My grain i buy is 7.3 cents a pound the enegry to cook and water +gypsum makes it 24 cents a pound to produce. If he needs 50 lbs a day then its 350lbs a week ×(1.50-.24)350 =441 dallors a week in extra cost.


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