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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: spore-ty]
#23611020 - 09/04/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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spore-ty said: Oh wow I just realized your username. Rotary sucks... Boxer engine all day
Haha
Yeah I fucked up when typing my user name pressed 9 instead of 8 I've blown up way more Scooby bottom ends than rotor tips but this is off topic sorry to op
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Violet describes a method similar to what cronicr just described. If I understand him correctly here is what he is suggesting:
Take your grain of choice(I prefer Rye or wheat) and place it into a large bucket that can be strained easily Pour boiling hot water over top of the grains and allow them to soak in that hot water for anywhere from 1 to 4 or more hours until the grains are mostly hydrated. I also add gypsum to the grain before pouring the water over them.
Strain the water off the grain and allow to drip dry for a few minutes.
Load into bags or jars and PC as per usual (1.5 hours for jars, 2.5+ hours for bags)
To make straining easier I drilled many holes into the bottom of my bucket and place it into a larger bucket below to hold the water, this way when I want to strain I simply lift the bucket with the holes and grain out of the larger bucket and the water strains out.
The grains do not have to be completely dry like they do with the soak simmer strain method because the lack of simmering means the grains will still absorb some more water during the PC cycle.
If you want to process 50 pounds at a time you would have 4 or 5 buckets of grain soaked with boiling water, then strained then loaded into bags and PCd in a PC941. You'll have more bags of grain than can fit into a 941 all at once so the remaining bags would be placed into a refrigerator to keep as you run the cooker through multiple cycles.
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Stargate
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I wonder if I could just construct one. I would just need a large aluminum barrel of some kind. Same concept as the AA cookers. Boil water in the bottom, and have the pressure gauge, blowout metal plug, and release valve on the top. Any ideas where I could get a barrel that would work for this? Maybe one of those metal beer barrels?
I have a research & development company, which has a prototyping lab. I can build what I need in there. If I find an appropriate barrel, I'll probably make it, and post on my step-by-step on this forum.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23611818 - 09/04/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've seen people use large propane or o2 tanks for them. Dunno if a barrel could withstand the pressure. You would need to weld and or cut a tank though and if you're not a pro welder it would prob be better for a pro to do. I've seen people here do it. Azure as a thread about his.
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spacechildo
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23611866 - 09/04/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stargate said: I wonder if I could just construct one.
yeah you can, here's RRs http://www.mushroomvideos.com/55-Gallon-Drum-Sterilizer and there's plenty of people in the gourmet section who has writeups on theirs as well.
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Stargate
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A large propane tank could work. I'm a good welder, but I do have a guy that is a pro welder. His welds looks like a machine did it.
Well, I've found an option that could be good for me on craigslist. Someone is selling a 500 gallon tank for $300. That could work. Now, I'll just have to design the door of it. If I need custom hinges, I can cast them.
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Stargate said: I wonder if I could just construct one.
yeah you can, here's RRs http://www.mushroomvideos.com/55-Gallon-Drum-Sterilizer and there's plenty of people in the gourmet section who has writeups on theirs as well.
Thanks for the link. That's what I was looking for! 
I wonder which I should do. Perhaps this smaller one first, than move onto the bigger one?
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spacechildo
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23611913 - 09/04/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should plan ahead and make one that will fit your needs the best. There's no point in having a huge 55gal sterilizer unless you plan to put in the works. So I have no idea 
I'm trying to find some similar builds that may be easier but I'm having a hard time remembering who posted it.. some ran over propane burners..hmm..
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Stargate
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Well, for my medicinal mushroom project, I would like to sterilize 50 lbs per day. That should meet the demand of the project.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23611963 - 09/04/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool!
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tump
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If you go to groment pages grower bluids a steam steriler for same price as a big aa cooker. He can fit 250 lbs of anything in there. As grain prep goes. Easier and cheapest is cracked corn. Take a 30 gallon plastic barrel and dump 50 lb bag of cracked corn . fill it with water and wait 24 hours. Dump out using a window screen in two laudry shinks. Then after an hour load them up in bags. Cook 24 hours and done.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
#23612027 - 09/04/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome 
Which thread of gr0wer's is it? I'm looking around, but nothing popped out as obvious to me.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23612054 - 09/04/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
#23612061 - 09/04/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: tump]
#23612067 - 09/04/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tump said: Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
Agar > LI > Spawn jar > Liquid Slurry > Spawn jars > Liquid Slurries > Substrates
Some medicinal mushrooms, I grow on grain. Others get substrates. It just depends on which mushroom I'm dealing with case to case.
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Also you must have a lot of space can i move into your grow room
Hahaha, well, I actually only have grow space of 600 sq ft at the moment, but I make racks, and stack things high.
I'm setting up to expand. The plan is to bury a set of 8 shipping containers underground, welded together, and the inner walls cut out strategically. Wash room, agar room, grain spawn room, and fruiting room. Of course, you can only walk from room to room from the beginning to the end, but can never go backwards. That's to help prevent contaminating. Wouldn't want to bring something from the fruiting room into the spawn room, or worse, the agar room.
Of course, it would be fit with fresh air flow, plumbing, and lighting.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23612545 - 09/04/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tump said: Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
Agar > LI > Spawn jar > Liquid Slurry > Spawn jars > Liquid Slurries > Substrates
That is so many vectors... What's to stop you from just making more LI, then skipping the two stages of slurries? I mean if it works it works, I'd just have never thought to do it that way. Is there a benefit?
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Inocuole]
#23612648 - 09/04/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tump said: Give me a second ill find it. But how are you knocking up so much grain.
Agar > LI > Spawn jar > Liquid Slurry > Spawn jars > Liquid Slurries > Substrates
That is so many vectors... What's to stop you from just making more LI, then skipping the two stages of slurries? I mean if it works it works, I'd just have never thought to do it that way. Is there a benefit?
One LI gives me only so many jars (2-3). Very few, as I'm trying to colonize the jars as fast as possible (5 days). Using the liquid slurry, I'm able to make each jar, inoculate about 10-20 other jars, and have those all colonize in 5 days. Using this method, I can take 10 days agar plates to colonize for the LI, 5 days to colonize my masters, than slurry those, and inoculate up to 60 jars which are ready 5 days later.
So, from spores to 60 colonized jars in 20 days. Add 5 more days, and you can turn those into 1,200 jars if you were up for the task.
Its just my way of making a lot of spawn as fast as I can think of.
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Thedillestpickle
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23612940 - 09/04/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think this may be easier:
Agar>LC>Jars
with a large powerful stir plate you can make 4L of LC... that's 4000ml of innoculant. If you prep your grain on the dry side you can use 10ml LC per quart, so that's 400 quart jars which is about 20 pounds of grain. 10ml of LC to 1 quart gives me 3 to 4 days for full colonization. a few rare earth magnets, a muffin fan, some scraps of wood, a few wood screws, a dimmer switch, a stir bar, and a large pickle jar with a modified lid and you can be easily making 4L of LC.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23612953 - 09/04/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is speed/size such an issue? I think you're looking at this hobby the wrong way mate...
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Stargate
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Thedillestpickle said: I think this may be easier:
Agar>LC>Jars
with a large powerful stir plate you can make 4L of LC... that's 4000ml of innoculant. If you prep your grain on the dry side you can use 10ml LC per quart, so that's 400 quart jars which is about 20 pounds of grain. 10ml of LC to 1 quart gives me 3 to 4 days for full colonization. a few rare earth magnets, a muffin fan, some scraps of wood, a few wood screws, a dimmer switch, a stir bar, and a large pickle jar with a modified lid and you can be easily making 4L of LC.
I've had my fun with LC, but due to not being able to tell if the LC is contaminated or not, I'm not willing to use it. I can't risk the cost. I would rather be able to check for contamination on every step of the way.
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TurnUpShroom said: Why is speed/size such an issue? I think you're looking at this hobby the wrong way mate... 
Maybe for you it is. For me, this is for a scientific study I'm working on, trying to find what medical mushroom mixes are the best for curing specific cancers. Also, I've got the oysters, lions mane, and a morel patch that I'm working for profit. For me, this is a business. Not a hobby. It only started as a hobby.
Yeah, my sig shows only cubes, but in reality, my last batch of cubes was 2 years ago.
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Re: Bulk...everything. [Re: Stargate]
#23613517 - 09/05/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with op here Speed is key. Agar to li is clean but i still stuggle with it. A good lc thats not blender takes forever. I recently blender one of my pints of lc and pour it into 10 jars that took 6 days. But a quart of slurry would easy 150 quarts done. You can't beat speed . i have horrible hand eye correction issues when takes a bicth year to just knock up 20 jars slurry wise about 2 hours. Vs cleaning off silcone ports to inject 5 ml of lc can do 120 jars a hour. The whole point is slurries are the bomb. I'd would use them all the time if i had better motor skills. Why spend two weeks making 4000ml of lc which you be inpossible get out cleanly. You be better off on lc in small amounts and make 30 half pints and using them per batch of grains.
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