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InvisibleThe Blind Ass
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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24213904 - 04/02/17 07:01 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

What is amazing is how spoiled our species has become
Whats more amazing is our beyond-blindness to the human condition as it is.

Also from this "blindness" comes that we are stymied in regards to realizing and then actualizing our most ancient dreams.

the word Advanced - applied to civilization, if measured simply by getting things done more efficiently over time - then sure ... but when that is the sole arbiter for measuring advancement, in regards to humanity,
its missing the point - it falls so short.

Its as if we are under a spell to not be able to realize/recognize we are blind and dumb.

A bit like the matrix.


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #24213909 - 04/02/17 07:03 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

When basic needs are met, not too much catches our attention. Take those things away and it is a whole 'nother game.


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24214052 - 04/02/17 08:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Fellings or intuition?

I think we are about 60% of potential..

So that means reasonable advanced..but still journeymen on a quest for knowledge..

Still lots to discover and do..

Both spiritually and technologically.


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #24214285 - 04/02/17 10:32 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

ahhhhhh

funny synchronous threads … one about  the ’meaning’ of life and one about the ‘advancement’ of civilization

there is (IMO) no difference between ’society’, ‘civilization’, and ’self’ as regards these abstract concepts

well you all already know how it goes …

you 'advance' to the the last row of the board/bored game and you get 'kinged’.

…. but then meanwhile back in real life you (will (eventually)) die.

So every time we leave the present moment ...  (aka when we get ‘bored’)…
this leaving is also called: 'desire’, and ‘identification’ with inner dialogue, aka story, aka thoughts, …
and when it happens, which even if it (the desire, etc.) gets fullfilled - (we get what we thought we wanted) -
it eventually turns into a changed situation … (for which the i-ching gives millions of permutations), … which again changes … and so on …. hence it's called: ‘the book of changes’ …

but in any case, the hope of a resting place/aka peace/satisfaction is dashed and a new desire immediately arises, before the lesson of the hopelessness of hope is learned. Hope is of course, in spite of its popularity as a “positive” emotion really based on fear, and dissatisfaction, and ungratefulness. High expectations are another version of hope.

and “advancement” is of course only another version of ‘hope’

Meanwhile back in the present moment (which some only experience in a yoga class, or tai chi class, or during sex, … at such a time) there is no story taking place in the mind; - - and it is only ‘story’ aka ‘thought’ which requires ideas like ‘meaning’ or concepts like ‘advancement’ to create the drama necessary to advance a plot that holds interest, when attention to present time sensory input has been lost, due to lack of concentration power.

in summary ‘meaning’ and other related conceptual ideals such as: ‘hope’ ,’advancement’, ’truth’, and dare I say it?: ‘love’, etc. … are poor substitutes for concentration and mindfulness. But don’t take my word for it
observe for yourself whether the most delicious dessert (or other supposed wonderful perception) can bring you satisfaction if you are distracted.

It is the context of awareness itself  that is the source of happiness,
not is pathetic contents which includes both perceptions of sensations, and perceptions of intellectual contents which include ‘meaning’. But again don’t take my word for it, observe for yourself.

This truth is avoided perhaps because building concentration power involves hard work, and not some sparkling new meaning one can acquire that gives one superiority over others, who seemingly are ignorant of one’s new possession. It’s certainly not a hidden truth. After all who can ever enjoy anything they aren’t paying attention to? But we are so lazy, and the ideas of meaning and advancement and superiority are so alluring.


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24215130 - 04/03/17 11:53 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
When basic needs are met, not too much catches our attention. Take those things away and it is a whole 'nother game.



Indeed. And maybe about 80% people on earth living that 'nother game (not even starting to talk about other species). What's that telling us about their advancement ? And 'what' hinders them ?
Are those that hinders them 'advanced' ?


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: laughingdog]
    #24216704 - 04/03/17 11:25 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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laughingdog said:

So every time we leave the present moment ...  (aka when we get ‘bored’)…
this leaving is also called: 'desire’, and ‘identification’ with inner dialogue, aka story, aka thoughts, …





Amen


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laughingdog said:

After all who can ever enjoy anything they aren’t paying attention to?





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laughingdog said:

After all who can ever enjoy anything they aren’t paying attention to?





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laughingdog said:

After all who can ever enjoy anything they aren’t paying attention to?




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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #24216723 - 04/03/17 11:37 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Civilisation has degenerated in more ways than it has advanced. We have whizz-bang technology but are spiritually very sick, in a lot of pain and often too dumb and confused to even realise.


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: viktor]
    #24216874 - 04/04/17 01:01 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

60% is probably accurate..unless I cant see the sun from the stars..

in terms of completion or final goal..society would know everything..necessarily..so we could therefore base our reasoning on the idea that what our knowledge is equal to our progress?

Does anyone disagree?


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24216877 - 04/04/17 01:02 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

80% or otherwise the whole concept of pyramids of approach and matter are likely the alpha and the omega signalling from the top of the triangle..which has a beacon to the stars..and is in vertex to all the known stars in the universe...and from the net wired sheet..or astral blanket(a foreign galaxy)


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24216894 - 04/04/17 01:18 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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BrendanFlock said:

...so we could therefore base our reasoning on the idea that what our knowledge is equal to our progress?




I give more weight to knowledge of what causes suffering than to space travel.


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Re: Is civilization really advanced? [Re: viktor]
    #24217255 - 04/04/17 08:40 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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viktor said:
Civilisation has degenerated in more ways than it has advanced. We have whizz-bang technology but are spiritually very sick, in a lot of pain and often too dumb and confused to even realise.





Yes, that's very much the impetus behind this thread. If one measures our "progress" by how happy and spiritually healthy we are, we're doing pitifully poorly. And as you point out, most people aren't even aware of their predicament. It's awful.


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