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c10h12n2o
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Lions Mane Pinning in bag
#23607889 - 09/03/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hello lovely people, i wanted to pick your brains about my lions mane project!
I have some sawdust blocks going which look mostly colonized, but they have started pinning prolifically , even though a few spots seem a little more sawdust colored than myc colored
here are some pics:

any advice on how i should proceed?
thanks in advance!
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23607976 - 09/03/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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let them breathe some fresh air and get some humidity. fruit them!
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: anthiawe]
#23607983 - 09/03/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agree fruit them. Good job.
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: Ferather]
#23608335 - 09/03/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks guys!!!
oooooooo im so excited! seafood/lobster was always my favorite food growing up, and when i was 19 i became super allergic to it! throat swells shut, very scary so i am stoked about lions mane!! they look so cool, and i hear they taste like lobster 
definitely one of the coolest looking mushroom i have seen so far, besides some wild stuff like stinkhorns
i had planned to use a SGFC for the lions mane, or could build a GH (I already have 2 SGFCs built but unused). also, i live in the PNW and am fruiting some oysters outside, in case that is an option
i am still totally new to edibles in general, so assume i know nothing lol
what do yall think would work best?
warm regards
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23608835 - 09/03/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Serotonin, I don't think a SGFC will work for your lions mane. They require lots of fresh air.Too much moisture on the fruits can cause problems also.
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: Quadman]
#23608880 - 09/03/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you dont have a grow room set up then put it outside in a shady spot and keep them moist! other wise your going to need something other than a SGFC, as quadman was saying...
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: anthiawe]
#23608895 - 09/03/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't know your environment you will have to consider insects and moisture outside. ( Temp too)
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: Quadman]
#23608996 - 09/03/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah an SGFC is really designed just for cakes- the way the airflow works I doubt your LM would get enough FAE- as well as the fact that for an SGFC to operate properly you need about 6-7in of perilite in the bottom and unless you have some ungodly huge totes I doubt you'd have the room for the bags. I built My GreenHouse pretty cheap- biggest expense was the fans but you can work around that if you need to. I would highly recommend building one to fruit something as amazing as LM- you want to see them in their full glory!
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These guys are seriously all about fresh air. Keep your CO2 levels low wherever you decide to fruit this with fresh air constantly being supplied. Watch how they thrive when placed in an environment such as that.
Aside from that, if relocation is troublesome because of pests, simply cover everything in Diatomaceous earth.
Great work buddy!
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Thanks a bunch guys, y'all rock! 
I have an incubator room that stays about 79-81 , a fruiting room that stays 75ish, and a basement fruiting room at 71. Been doing monotubs and oyster buckets in them
I moved the blue oyster buckets outside and they seem good, temp stays 55-77 , in Pacific Northwest
I had read a few places where frank and RR had said that if you do lions mane in SGFC to leave the lid off. So I moved the bags outsider a SGFC with the lid off
Do y'all think I should move em back inside and build a GH? Would the basement be best for this?
Mush love!
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23609172 - 09/03/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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RR is a god- but a fallible one. Most of the information you will read by him is decades old- so do, please read it, but take it with a grain of salt. Things have changed.
Also- 81 is pretty hot. You'd probably have better results in the low 70s. Incubation is also an outdated Tek.
And yeah your blues should do pretty well in that.
Keep up the good work!
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much obliged my friend thanks for the info!
been testing a bunch of different cultures incubating at different temps, its crazy how much things can vary, even within the same species!! I have some AA+ cultures that love the high temps for colonization (fully colonized 66qt in 5 days 3 times now ) , but then some spawn bags that i made from GT, PE, B+ and some others all seem to consistently go faster at slightly lower temps as you suggest lol... perhaps cultures that benefit from higher temps are the exception rather than the rule
so whats the verdict on fruiting the lions mane? should i try to do them outside (55-77)with the blue oysters, or should i hurry up and build a GH in the basement (71ish) ?
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23609385 - 09/03/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would definitely go ahead and build the GH- you'll want/need it at some point- might as well build it and get the most out of your crop. But those temps should work just fine. Another thing about temp- is while colonization for some strains will indeed be quicker... Think of what else might benefit from those higher temps... You start getting into the 80's and Trichoderma throes a jacuzzi party. Oysters especially, but mushrooms in general, are aggressive and robust- and colonize better at lower temps than do the less evolved contaminants we fear so much. So at a lower temp- your mushrooms have a better chance of growing than do the nasties.
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makes perfect sense, thanks for the info!! im gonna get to work
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23610047 - 09/04/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agreed with Travelagency, much info as amazing as it is, is at least two decades old. I will be releasing a new info-series for us mushroom growers, covering what RR said but from my own perspective with up to date info in time. I am a new member, this will happen very soon however with that being said.
Regardless though you seem to have studied what I have, leave the lids off brother. White, gorgeous lion manes will emit from the highly oxygenated environment. You will enjoy you harvest immensely
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lion's mane usually starts pinning before full colonization of substrate has been achieved. Your bags have already started pinning from the top. When you cut the top off and let them fruit as is, you won't get the ball-shaped fruit bodies, but rather somehing like this.
  
If you're aming for the ball-shaped fruitbodies, fold the bag over the substrate and punch a small hole on the side like so.

give them lots of fresh air and before you know it...
    
keep shroomin'
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UPDATE: thanks a bunch everyone, you guys rock!! 
killer info casualgrower and TravelAgency, +5 both 
so i am a little embarrassed at what a shitty job i did with these, but still feel a tiny twinge of pride in finally getting to pretend to eat lobster again hahaha... lobster was my favorite food, but i became deathly allergic to seafood when i was 17 and its so bad now my throat swells shut at the smell
I had a small series of minor emergencies come up, which really screwed up a bunch of my projects' timelines, and i still have not been able to build a greenhouse! a flooded basement really changed my plans :/
so i ended up fruiting them outside, despite intentions to do otherwise... taping the tops of 3 bags over ontop of itself and cutting some X's in 3 bags, and cutting the top off of the 4th (since it already had lots of fruits right there). I then put them in an SGFC that wasnt being used, filled with perlite, elevated it a bit, and kept the lid off. I know it was far from ideal, and i hated wasting the potential by doing something stupid (like not using a GH as yall recommended)
i must have gotten super lucky with my culture or something, because i didnt really get any of the cool-looking coral growth, everything stayed nice and round (probably the outdoor FAE?) and OMG are they delicious!!! both me and my gf both think they are the tastiest mushroom we have ever had, she ate so much one night she made herself sick hahaha....
I cant thank yall enough for the guidance, and promise to do better next time 
I put the culture on slants and it has even pinned on the slant!! here are some pics from various points:

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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23666401 - 09/21/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice!
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Re: Lions Mane Pinning in bag [Re: Mycolorado]
#23666872 - 09/22/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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YEEEAAAASSS!
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Beautiful job ! They look yummy.
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