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Leeq
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Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants
#23605802 - 09/02/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry if title is convoluted.
I'm looking for herbs (Other than the most obvious, coca) that containe pleasant stimulants.
But I'm looking for herbs that contain pleasant stimulant chemicals, that can produce rather stimulating/intoxicating effects, effects strong enough to be considered a real recreational drug.
Obviously I don't want any major vasco-constriction or horrible body feelings. I can eat 8g of pure amphetamine over a weekend, so I can handle a bit of a sore jaw, being a bit jittery, having wide eyes, but no one likes being uncomfortable. Even after 8g of amphet, where most would be paranoid, sweating, gurning, twitching, anxious, I still feel like a fairly normal human being, albeit having gone bat-shit-insane (In the funnest, happiest, loveliest way possible). Also, something that doesn't turn the penis in to a cocktail sausage would be nice too. I've experienced hell, and it's having all the confidence in the world to talk to a stunningly beautiful girl, yet having nothing to offer her but what looks like an old manky thumb.
Yes, lots of caffeine will have you VERY energised, but no one wants to eat 50 caffeine pills on the dancefloor. Ephedra, yes Ephedrine is very very potent, but in doses high enough to illicit an amphetamine-level 'buzz' seem to also make one feel, well, shite.
I'm looking for a herb that will keep me dancing all night long (No harm in having to re-dose a couple of times, looking for something with at least 4 hours of main duration though), that will fill me with energy. I'm not asking for waves of euporiah and feelings of lovey-dovey-ness. Just something that I can eat a cap of it, and have the energy to stomp to Psytrance till the cows come home.
I've a problem with amphet see. My weekday use of amphet is almost non-existent, but I will easily sniff 6 - 8g of pure (When I say pure, I mean it, I know my amphet better than most) amphet from friday through to monday morning, and this is obviously terrible for both my mind and brain.
Ideally, I want to find a herb, that I can do a simple extraction on, ideally do an extraction and ingest a small amount of resin/crystal (Rather than chewing 50g of leaf/root/blah blah).
Again, all I ask for is the energy. I love talking to people, and I love to psytrance family I have, I don't need anything to facilitate conversation, I just need something to facilitate endless energy.
Sorry, I'm using more words than I need. So let's say...
What herbs have true, potent, long(ish)-lasting stimulant effects? I don't mind if a simple, easy extraction is needed to be done on these herbs to ingest a large enough amount of the akaloid in question. I'd rather eat a cap of resin extract than chew a bundle of leaves anyhow
Raved non-stop Thursday midnight through sunday 4am and passed out/fell asleep on the ancefloor, and so have released that 1)The phet's need to stop, and 2)sleep can be alright sometimes.
But boi, what an amazing festival. Illegal psy free festy in Wales, 119 hours straight of non-stop psytrance! amazing.
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Re: Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants [Re: Leeq]
#23605963 - 09/02/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ephedra, voacanga africana in small doses, kratom, betel nuts
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Re: Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants [Re: Leeq]
#23605970 - 09/02/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Besides coca and ephedra idk any other stimulating plants... Interested in any responses but with that kind of habit I doubt you'll get much out of any kind of natural stimulant.
Have you looked into benzedrex? It's really just trading a chemical for another but at least it's legal... Still not good for the body or brain probably.
Also you could try cocao, not coca but cocao, it contains theobromine which is stimulating, slightly more so than caffeine, but can be toxic at high doses afaik.
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Re: Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants [Re: impaired420]
#23606104 - 09/02/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eat a gram or two of hash oil and drink lots of caffeine. I prefer tea.
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Leeq
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Re: Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants [Re: impaired420]
#23606139 - 09/02/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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saythatagain said: Ephedra, voacanga africana in small doses, kratom, betel nuts
I am yet to try ephedra/ine, but have heard so few positive reviews about the stuff. I'm not looking for something to get wired on though, just to give me the energy to dance when taking other substances, mainly psychedelics, as I find it hard to dance while tripping. LSD and 2c-x and similar chems (AL-LAD, DO-s, etc) give me enough stimulation, but when the psychedelic trip is envelopping all my senses dancing becomes a...confusing afair. I like lower doses of mushrooms at parties, but they sedate me.
Most people find amphetamine to make them paranoid when on psychedelics, but I find it quite the opposite.
Will look in to voacanga, have yet to hear about that. Kratom does not really produce any stimulations for me, no more than a coffee would anyhow, at smaller doses. Betel as well I have not tried, but I have read much about it in the past, not sure why it never came to mind. Is it possible to ingest that without having to take it in the gums, as is the traditional way?
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impaired420 said: Besides coca and ephedra idk any other stimulating plants... Interested in any responses but with that kind of habit I doubt you'll get much out of any kind of natural stimulant.
Have you looked into benzedrex? It's really just trading a chemical for another but at least it's legal... Still not good for the body or brain probably.
Also you could try cocao, not coca but cocao, it contains theobromine which is stimulating, slightly more so than caffeine, but can be toxic at high doses afaik.
Yeah I really enjoy coca leaves, crushed and mixed with baking soda (Essentially freebasing the cocaine while it is still contained within the leaves) held in the lip, but they're not all too convenient.
I have not, no, I will look in to Benzedrex. It's not all so much I no longer want to ingest amphetamine, I just want to start using raw plants and plant extracts more than synthesised chemicals. I know at the end of the day natural does in no way mean safe or healthy, I just prefer the idea.
Yeah I could sniff 1g pure amphetamine in 2/3 hours and I wouldn't even be massively wired, unlike most I know who will be able to make a 2g bag last them 3 nights, some people less. Like I said though I'm not looking for the euphoric (Although amphetamines give me no rush nor euphoria anymore, just mass amounts of energy) feel of stimulants, just the energy. I will happily obtain my euphoria from a half dozen HBWR seeds under the tongue or a handful of liberty caps.
Is cacoe really viable as a 'fun drug'? I've seen plenty of articles from various outlets on it's new use as a 'club drug' on the internet, but never from any sources that seem to be drug-related (No erowid experiences, nothing on bluelight, drugs-forum, hip-forums etc)
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Re: Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants [Re: El Torcho]
#23606169 - 09/02/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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El Torcho said: Eat a gram or two of hash oil and drink lots of caffeine. I prefer tea.
I cannot stand the effects of cannabis, I spent 6 years smoking on average a gram a day. I then spent 1 week not smoking cannabis, and realised how much I prefer sobriety over being stoned. The effects of cannabis are not effects I personally can enjoy at all, ever. People always say I should try cannabis for my chronic (It really is chronic, sometimes even debilitating) back pain, but I find no Indica or Sativa, no hash or green, edibles or smoke, helps. Thanks though mate.
Haha, I'd need a lot of tea for that! I do like tea but my morning cup of tea is brewed with 3 tea bags (For flavour, that's how I like it) and that doesn't even particularly get my geared up for the day.
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Leeq
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Re: Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants [Re: Leeq]
#23606175 - 09/02/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually after 2 seconds I've found a few Erowid reports of Cacao, Cacao & guarana etc.
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Re: Natural alkaloids with potential (Without chemical alteration) to be potent stimulants [Re: Leeq]
#23606393 - 09/02/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Catha edulis is a plant you could look into. Also referred to as cat, khat or quat.
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