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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23604848 - 09/02/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol. The plight of the conservative is so ridiculous.

Invades land that is densely populated with natives, shifting the ethnic distribution of the USA.

Then complains about how multicultural America is.

Sounds about right.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23604849 - 09/02/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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we get alot of the foundation of our law from english common law. They were also influenced by the romans. now we arent like the english, but like all liberals you dont understand linier time. Durring the revolution we were the 'Regulars, and a good chunk of the cuntry were loyal to the crown.
we are only a few hundred years removed from that. Even the southern drawl was origionally a southern english dialect that has gone extinct over there.



Good lord, the southern accent developed from Scottish and Irish immigrants. Believe it or not, Scotland and Ireland are different countries than England.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23604859 - 09/02/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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we get alot of the foundation of our law from english common law. They were also influenced by the romans. now we arent like the english, but like all liberals you dont understand linier time. Durring the revolution we were the 'Regulars, and a good chunk of the cuntry were loyal to the crown.



i think i know more on the history of law than you do.

some of our laws *gasp* has been around since the time of the Sumerians! damn you libs and your non-grasp of line-ier time!

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23604868 - 09/02/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol. The plight of the conservative is so ridiculous.

Invades land that is densely populated with natives, shifting the ethnic distribution of the USA.

Then complains about how multicultural America is.

Sounds about right.



That's not a conservative plight so much as it's the plight of any imperialist power as a whole. To undermine the contributions of liberally minded personalities as well as conservative ones in a the expansion of the nation, and it's cultural and military influence around the world is ignoring history to a certain extent. Can't really undermine the history of xenophobia and racism on both sides either.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23604870 - 09/02/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Lol. The plight of the conservative is so ridiculous.

Invades land that is densely populated with natives, shifting the ethnic distribution of the USA.

Then complains about how multicultural America is.

Sounds about right.




They weren't even natives though. :wtf:


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23604877 - 09/02/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Lol. The plight of the conservative is so ridiculous.

Invades land that is densely populated with natives, shifting the ethnic distribution of the USA.

Then complains about how multicultural America is.

Sounds about right.




At least eight states, including two of the most populous ones; and the second largest city in the country have Spanish names. It's kinda absurd to claim that Spanish is not one of this country's foundational cultures.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Eminence]
    #23604879 - 09/02/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you listen to a list of englis common law, laws, its striking how good those laws from over a thousand years agoo are.

of course they arent the only influence.

No, they are from southern english dialects because they got people from the lesser parts of England before the Scots and Irish ever cme over in numbers



The lands werent 'densely' populated by natives. There is an estimate thrown around of ten million, based off the relatively dense populations on the east coast where they landed and extrapolated to the interior


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23604901 - 09/02/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you listen to a list of englis common law, laws, its striking how good those laws from over a thousand years agoo are.

of course they arent the only influence.

No, they are from southern english dialects because they got people from the lesser parts of England before the Scots and Irish ever cme over in numbers



The lands werent 'densely' populated by natives. There is an estimate thrown around of ten million, based off the relatively dense populations on the east coast where they landed and extrapolated to the interior



Indian law is English in nature as well thanks to the same kind of colonialism. That doesn't mean it's an English heritage country and that all other languages are foreign. You'll find aspects of English law all over the world. They were the dominate superpower at one time after all. That a system of law is based on another's doesn't give that group sole proprietary control over it's culture however.

You mentioned Rome earlier. The reasons for it's massive success as an Empire were it's practices of cultural integration of the places it took over. While they integrated a Roman system of law in those areas, they all retained their cultures to an extent.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23604905 - 09/02/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the laws came from space aliens from Alpha Centauri, though. how can they be trusted.

plus it was all just to get us to dig for gold for them anyways.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23604920 - 09/02/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They weren't even natives though. :wtf:




They kind of are, Mexicans are basically a mix between the indigenous natives and the Spaniards that came over. Hence why many look similar to natives.


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At least eight states, including two of the most populous ones; and the second largest city in the country have Spanish names. It's kinda absurd to claim that Spanish is not one of this country's foundational cultures.




A huge percentage of the cities along the Southwest have Spanish names... Los Angeles, Aliso Viejo, El Paso, Las Vegas, Santa Fe, Almogordo, San Antonio, Amarillo, San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Clarita, Buena Park, Calabasas, Chico, Del Mar, holy shit I could go on and on.


Also special people, there's a huge French influence in the USA, especially in Louisiana and Baton Rouge. A few thousand people in that area still speak Creole-French, and we also got the Statue of Liberty from the French.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23604928 - 09/02/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

dude, all that stuff is bought and paid for, it's now American.

technically all the Macdonalds around the globe, that's American.


goddamn it, America rules. :patriot:

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23604955 - 09/02/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that culture did almost all the framers of the constitution ascribe to?

We arent Rome, I wasnt talking about that at all. That was a copletely differant time. That as retarded of an idea as acribing socialism to Jesus

as I said, liberals pick and choose what they want and dont understand linier time


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23604971 - 09/02/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

goddamn it, you must be a huge lib then, since you brought up how law now is determined from law from a different time and shit.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #23605011 - 09/02/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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that culture did almost all the framers of the constitution ascribe to?

We arent Rome, I wasnt talking about that at all. That was a copletely differant time. That as retarded of an idea as acribing socialism to Jesus

as I said, liberals pick and choose what they want and dont understand linier time



You missed my point entirely. I understand that the framers of the constitution were primarily of English origin. That's understood. I'm describing the landscape now, with all the cultural integration that has taken place over the last two centuries. To put what I was saying in the previous post more clearly for you, origin of law doesn't necessarily dictate culture.

I brought up Rome because it was in a similar circumstance. I don't know what that has to do with socialism and Jesus.

Also, taking up arguments with people that describe themselves as conservative does not make me liberal. That I'm arguing with your points doesn't indicate what my political beliefs are, as I rarely post about my specific thoughts. I'm more about deconstructing arguments that sound illogical to me, rather than making any arguments one way or another myself.

I don't identify as a completely liberal person in any scope and have registered republican or libertarian in the past, typically because I like to vote in the primaries for candidates that will never get a nomination though. Granted, there is no ideology I can completely agree with, without making huge concessions myself. That's life I guess. I often vote libertarian, but wouldn't identify as one. This is because they are better as a fringe party for bringing certain issues to light and garnering attention to them, but their core ideology is somewhat broken in spots. Too much of one thing really.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23605054 - 09/02/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, you're always making strawmans. If you followed the conversation, I was arguing about the costs of the wall.

Earlier on in this thread I emphasized the following:

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Think of the long-term costs associated with it.

I mean, you HAVE to guard the wall, because if you aren't, it won't be effective, it'll just be a waste of money.

For one, because it's not cost-effective. I listed several problems with the wall a couple of posts back.




Seriously, it seems you don't read people's arguments coherently.




No. You asserted that the wall would require boots on the ground at every quarter mile marker, a number which you pulled out of your ass to try to grossly exaggerate the amount of manpower would be required. And then I set you straight with technical details on why you were wrong. You then circled back to your point about the wall requiring lots of resources in manpower, to which I basically said "yeah, and? That's already a given. Still doesn't require a guard post every quarter mile". And then you accused me of being dishonest and unable to argue fairly and stormed off back to libtard land again.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23605101 - 09/02/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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that culture did almost all the framers of the constitution ascribe to?

We arent Rome, I wasnt talking about that at all. That was a copletely differant time. That as retarded of an idea as acribing socialism to Jesus

as I said, liberals pick and choose what they want and dont understand linier time




Nobody said that our constitution didn't come from England, hello the first American settlers WERE English fighting British imperialism back in the day. What people are arguing is whether English law means that English culture is the primary culture of the land. Please read what people are saying.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crumist]
    #23605140 - 09/02/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Republicans actually did try to rig the primary against Trump. They failed.
ie: Colorado canceled the primary voting and declared Cruz the winner. It happened in a couple other states, as well, if I remember correctly. The NeverTrumper's also tried to contest his nomination at the convention. Didn't work. Trump got too much of the popular vote for it to be stolen in any subtle fashion. They would have had to do it like the Democrats and steal it blatantly ala Hillary vs. Bernie.


Hillary won the popular vote as well, but perhaps there was blatant vote rigging as yet
undiscovered. But the fact that Trump got the nomination makes you so confident
that he isn't a plant? Also, it was a laugh you calling Akira cynical.





There was and it wasn't undiscovered. Just do a search. Poorly planned polling booths in AZ left Bernie supporters stuck in impossibly long lines and unable to vote. Independents registered Democrat before deadline and still unable to vote. California had Hillary announced the winner the day before the votes were even counted. The whole super delegate system itself was rigged for Hillary. Bernie supporters are pissed off that they donated personal money to a candidate who was systematically sabotaged and stood no actual chance of winning the primary. That's money down the toilet and fraud by definition. Shawn Lucas served Debbie Wasserman Shultz and the DNC with a class action lawsuit and wound up dead on the bathroom floor.

But keep telling yourself that Hillary Clinton was democratically chosen by the people to be the nominee for the Democratic Party. And keep telling yourself that the RNC didn't try and ultimately fail to usurp Donald Trump's resounding popular vote/overwhelming public support and attempt to install Ted Cruz, John Kasich, anyone but Trump.


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23605147 - 09/02/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No. You asserted that the wall would require boots on the ground at every quarter mile marker, a number which you pulled out of your ass to try to grossly exaggerate the amount of manpower would be required. And then I set you straight with technical details on why you were wrong. You then circled back to your point about the wall requiring lots of resources in manpower, to which I basically said "yeah, and? That's already a given. Still doesn't require a guard post every quarter mile". And then you accused me of being dishonest and unable to argue fairly and stormed off back to libtard land again.




That was just one idea I presented to bring into consideration. There are actually several ways you could man a border, and it would either have to be with expensive technology or guards.

One thing is for certain though, even with a focus on technology, you would need added guards in order for the technology to be efficient.

If you look at my original post I was actually asking YOU guys how many guards are necessary. I specifically asked the question, "How many would be necessary for efficient border control? 2 for every 1/4 mile? 2 for every mile?" Then I decided to just pull a random figure so I could crunch some numbers, to get a rough estimate of the costs.

Even with less guards than the amount I estimated however, you would still have to have added costs going not just towards the tech, but also towards adding things like range-rover vehicles and helicopters. Since, less guards means that the few guards that are on duty will have to move swiftly and quickly.

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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23605157 - 09/02/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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that culture did almost all the framers of the constitution ascribe to?

We arent Rome, I wasnt talking about that at all. That was a copletely differant time. That as retarded of an idea as acribing socialism to Jesus

as I said, liberals pick and choose what they want and dont understand linier time




Nobody said that our constitution didn't come from England, hello the first American settlers WERE English fighting British imperialism back in the day. What people are arguing is whether English law means that English culture is the primary culture of the land. Please read what people are saying.



No, that is not why they came here


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Re: The Great Wall of China vs The Great Wall of Trump [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23605204 - 09/02/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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