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Offlineclock_of_omens
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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23603073 - 09/01/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
you say i claim good and bad are subjective? no.





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akira_akuma said:
good/bad? subjective. like/dislike? subjective.




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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23603443 - 09/02/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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it communicates how lighting can effect a scene so dramatically as to being able to make it solely about a lemon, and it communicates how minimal filmic qualities can amount to a great amount of technique. also abstract/minimalist/structuralist film plays off the subtleties of technique in film making, and uses usually no actors or characters of any sort. it communicates that film can portray a work that includes no narrative, but can be speculated upon, nevertheless. sorta like how realist films (especially in the French New Wave and Italian neorealist dramas) portray narratives using less narrative techniques, in favor of improvisation and purely filmic technique and aspect.




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Who cares about any of the stuff you just claimed the film shows? Seriously. The only people who would care about that are film school dorks. None of that is deep or relevant to anything. Aside from that, you are just reading that stuff into a movie showing a lemon with light moving across it. I mean really. That stuff isn't really in the movie.




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Anything can be speculated upon. Lemon does not show that non-narrative films can be speculated upon. Basic facts of reality show that anything can be speculated upon. Once again something you just claim about the movie not borne out by the facts of the actual movie.

So you like portraiture, so what? I've already explained to you many times in the past the difference between like/dislike and good/bad, so I'm not even about to get into that again.




so i said:
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you've shown nothing. good/bad? subjective. like/dislike? subjective. what's your point?

and the fact of it nevertheless being able to be speculated upon, is regarding the narrative that can be attributed to a non-narrative work; but other than that it's not relevant. the work doesn't need a narrative.




i was addressing your quick lapse into "the past", which is the past, so please, don't use such wankery as an argument.

when i said good/bad is subjective, i meant aesthetically subjective, but not in the pragmatic sense of loss vs reward. when i said like/dislike was subjective, i was saying just that.

what's your point?

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23603861 - 09/02/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
what's your point?




That that's retarded.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23604739 - 09/02/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

fair enough. but you're still kinda making shit up, plainly.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23604885 - 09/02/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:dealwithit:

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