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Kratom - first timer
    #23604687 - 09/02/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just got my "fuck you, DEA" shipment of Indonesian Kratom.  What I received was EXTREMELY finely ground cactus-green powder - practically dust.  Wet my index finger and did a taste-test.  As with cactus, it is extremely bitter as others have said.  I placed exactly two grams in a paper bathroom dixie cup and thoroughly mixed it into about three times the volume of organic rasberry preserve from France.  Now THAT is palatable!

It's been 15 minutes...nothing yet.  Will report back in about an hour.



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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23604752 - 09/02/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23604780 - 09/02/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Best of luck. Too funny my first batch should be here tomorrow as well :snoop:


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23604810 - 09/02/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23605015 - 09/02/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

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Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605098 - 09/02/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There is no cross tolerance between kratom and mushrooms but I would recommend taking kratom on the come down rather than before the mushroom.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23605176 - 09/02/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy.....





For someone with no tolerance to opioids and no previous or recent history of heavy opioid use, I think 2g should be plenty.



I've been taking this leaf daily for about 4 years now (a few short breaks here & there)....

....and even after 4 years of taking 2-grams two to three times a day, 2g will most definitely still produce a very pronounced effect/buzz for me. Very energizing and/or relaxing depending on what I'm doing, a pleasant opioid warmth through out my body (relatively mild but still pronounced).

In fact, I've tapered down my doses over the past few days because of the ban I'm trying to cut back and stretch out my supply....and I just took around 1.5g (about 2/3rd of a teaspoon) and I feel quite pleasant even from that small of an amount. Back pain is noticeably dulled down, mild warmth through the body, pleasant opioid-like mood lift.



A high dose for me is around 4g to 6g....5g can put me into a nod depending on the strain, anything beyond that and I'll start to get dizzy, nauseated, hot/sweaty, and just dysphoric in general....I've stuck with 2g as my standard dose even after all these years because it still works just fine for me.




Nature B...I'm surprised you're not feeling anything from 2g after an hour, might be relatively weak material :shrug: . For some reason some folks don't seem to get much of anything from kratom though, most of the time it's people that have previously been opioid users.







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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605206 - 09/02/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.




Maybe...but I seriously doubt just a couple of teaspoons of rasberry preserve stopped any meaningful effect, especially since it is loaded with sugar and would dissolve within minutes. I just dosed too low since it was my first time. 

I'm modestly off baseline after 3 grams.  Feels the same as a couple of martinis.  There's NO WAY I could choke this shit down (and keep it down) by eating it raw and chasing it with water.  No fucking way.  It is putrid tasting.  Think raw cactus snot and you've got the taste pretty close.  I could encapsulate it though.  Personally, I think I'll just try again in a couple of weeks on an empty stomach to insure zero tolerance and go for 4 grams and see what happens.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605217 - 09/02/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Psilocypher said:
I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

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Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.



hahawhat the fuck you starve yourself for 8 hours before doing kratom?


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: openmind]
    #23605238 - 09/02/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nature B...I'm surprised you're not feeling anything from 2g after an hour, might be relatively weak material :shrug: . For some reason some folks don't seem to get much of anything from kratom though, most of the time it's people that have previously been opioid users.




Thanks for the comments, brother.  I'm a pretty big boy almost 6' 1" and 190 muscular pounds.  Could be weak, but as far as I can tell my source is reputable.  After 3 grams spaced out the way I did it it settled in pretty gently - almost sneaky.  No nausea with the ROA I chose despite the taste.  I may lay down for a bit and "feel it out" for a while to try and characterize the effects.

Definitely not hungry although with what little I've eaten today (and it's dinner time) I'm a little surprised 'bout that.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #23605309 - 09/02/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

N.B.




Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.



hahawhat the fuck you starve yourself for 8 hours before doing kratom?




8 hours without food is nothing I wouldn't call it starving :lol:
I usually go 12 hours between what I eat when I wake up and when I get home.

I thought OP ate a bunch of jam because I didn't read the post right.

I just fill my mouth with water and dump 5g of kratom in and let it absorb the water well then swallow. 5g can be too much for someone with no tolerance though.
You need to drink a good amount of water with it in my experience because it can be dehydrating.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #23605350 - 09/02/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe...but I seriously doubt just a couple of teaspoons of rasberry preserve stopped any meaningful effect, especially since it is loaded with sugar and would dissolve within minutes. I just dosed too low since it was my first time. 

I'm modestly off baseline after 3 grams.  Feels the same as a couple of martinis.  There's NO WAY I could choke this shit down (and keep it down) by eating it raw and chasing it with water.  No fucking way.  It is putrid tasting.  Think raw cactus snot and you've got the taste pretty close.  I could encapsulate it though.  Personally, I think I'll just try again in a couple of weeks on an empty stomach to insure zero tolerance and go for 4 grams and see what happens.

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Right on :thumbup: .


I like to take it on an empty or relatively empty stomach, then eat a light snack/fruit around 20 to 30 minutes after and that little bit of something in the stomach seems to help digest and absorb the goods.


I too don't think that little bit of preserve would do much to slow down absorption of the actives.



And :lol: about the taste....I drink/eat a lot of bitter things so maybe my palate is different, but I never found it to be anywhere close to the funk that cactus tea has, to me it taste just like an earthy bitter dark/black tea. Not pleasant tasting, but it's not bad, it doesn't make me grimace like cactus tea or rue tea does.

I've "toss & washed" the stuff since day one...A teaspoon of the leaf dumped on the center of my tongue, I take a little sip of cold water and hold that in my mouth for a few seconds and the kratom powder clumps together into a "wad" as it sits on my tongue, then I take a few big gulps of water and it all washes down at once. Took me a while to get my method down, but I barely taste it with the way I do it...everyone figures out a method that works best for them.



Your mention of not being all that hungry....Kratom does lower my appetite a little bit, nothing drastic though.






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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: openmind]
    #23605436 - 09/02/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Funny thing for me is my first time taking kratom I took 12 grams (with no opioid tolerance). I had no idea what a high dose that was, but after some nausea I had a great time.

But these days my dose is closer to 3-4 grams.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605472 - 09/02/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

going 12 hours without eating sounds unhealthy as fuck u should really eat more often than that man


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Sheekle]
    #23605590 - 09/02/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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going 12 hours without eating sounds unhealthy as fuck u should really eat more often than that man




Honestly though Kratom is best taken on an empty stomach at the start of the day or something.

Just ordered a kilo don't live in the US and the ban won't effect me for now but I'm still outraged because I know how pissed I would be if it was my problem too. Kratom helped me quit smoking permanently and instead of drinking on a Friday or Saturday I do Kratom. I'm a horrible start and don't stop drinker as well and drink to excessive very unhealthy amounts- my hangovers border on hallucinogenic.

Doesn't need to be said then how much Kratom has helped me and improved my health. Kratom is such a gentle and subtle feeling but there are times lying in bed half way between wake and sleep when it can be blissful and the more my relationship with it developed the more I grew to love it.

This is an utter disgrace and the worst thing is once America does something the rest of the world follows suit! I don't know what I would do without it to be honest. Drink probably! It's a great substance precisely because it's not that great of a one as well, whereas something like ecstasy will blow your mind and leave you feeling suicidal the next day even if you overdo it Kratom is still managable and less is often more, it doesn't impair judgment or leave you a drugged up zombie you can take it in almost any setting and nobody would be any the wiser. How is it that these laws pass without them needing any justifications whatsoever?

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: wolf8312]
    #23605641 - 09/02/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

MDMA never left me suicidal. Sure you didn't get some meth in there?


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23605653 - 09/02/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I love kratom it is an herb of my heart and I am so sad to see it go.


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    #23605807 - 09/02/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok slight exaggeration wasn't meaning literally just meant it as a metaphor for feeling horribly depressed.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23605813 - 09/02/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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MDMA never left me suicidal. Sure you didn't get some meth in there?




Ok slight exaggeration wasn't meaning literally just meant it as a metaphor for feeling horribly depressed.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: wolf8312]
    #23605924 - 09/02/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

MDMA leaves me horribly depressed every time I take it. Its one reason I dont know if I want to use it anymore. I find that before using it, rather than feel excited about the experience I am more worried about how bad Im gonna feel the rest of the week.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23606135 - 09/02/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I always make sure to eat before i dose.. i will often feel sick if i dont.

Im a daily kratom user.. use about 2-4g as a standard dose. One time i woke up and didnt eat and decided to dose. I was more dizzy than anything else ive ever experienced, it was AWFUL. So ive learned that i cant take kratom on an empty stomach.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: ak47myth]
    #23607021 - 09/03/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Assuming we lose the battle and it becomes illegal, don't worry...it's on the darkweb already :smile: also, if you haven't signed the whitehouse petition please do so...we're doing well so far. Thanks


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Jvells]
    #23607031 - 09/03/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Done.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23607349 - 09/03/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I got curious about Kratom a couple months ago and ordered a verity of samples. Got a few 10gram bags and some 28 gram bags, all with different "names". It all looks and smells the same but the potency differs from bag to bag.

I stuff it into 00 capsules. I'm able to get a little under 1 gram into each pill. From the strongest bag, I can feel one capsule. From the weaker stuff it takes 2 or 3 pills and sometimes I'm not sure I feel anything.

I like Kratom. I do light doses and I like the mild stimulation and warm fuzzy feeling. The only problem is that it doesn't last long. The opiate that I like is Tramadol. I ended up with a big bottle of it when my dad died and I've been taking one about once a week. That stuff is great and it lasts long-  like 8 hours. Kratom lasts about 2 hours for me. I'm thinking about dumping the Tramadol in the trash because it scares me a little and I don't want to get hooked on it, and that's why I decided to try Kratom. A little bit of that opiate feeling once in a while is really nice.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23608012 - 09/03/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Done.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Jvells]
    #23608626 - 09/03/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I deal in kratom (yeah, jokes on me, my business is about to be shut down), and I can say with confidence that even the strongest kratom, even for a first time user, I wouldn't recommend any less than 5 grams. If you're trying to get "high", it's going to take more than that.

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    #23608697 - 09/03/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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....I can say with confidence that even the strongest kratom, even for a first time user, I wouldn't recommend any less than 5 grams. If you're trying to get "high", it's going to take more than that.

Just my $0.02 ....






5g, taken with no tolerance, would be too much for me, or right on the verge of being too much....2g with no tolerance is a perfect dose to get me feeling euphoric but not "loaded".

When I give kratom to people that have no previous or recent history of opioid use, I always give them around 2g to start off with (about a level teaspoon). Most of them experience a pleasant buzz and pronounced effects, 2 people I know barely felt it or didn't have much to say about it at that dosage.




Already mentioned, but I've been using this leaf daily for many years now and 5g is still what I consider to be a relatively high dose. Around 5g to 6g taken at once can put me into a nod (even after using it for years), anything beyond that and it's too much (I start getting nauseated, dizzy, light headed, hot & sweaty, hard to focus/concentrate on things, just dysphoric in general).

After almost 5 years....2g taken two to three times a day is still plenty sufficient for what I use the leaf for (anxiety, mood lift, energy, an absolutely massive boost in stamina, pain killer)...and 4g to 5g is my "Sweet spot" if I'm looking to get a nice full on euphoric buzz.





I'm starting to think my opioid receptors/system is much different/much different sensitivity than most people :strokebeard: .






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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: openmind]
    #23609308 - 09/03/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have no luck with premilled kratom.
I got 13g as a sample with an order of red vain MD kratom ground leaf.

The milled stuff was something red Thai.
Anyway, I boiled my first tea with the red Thai pre milled kratom 5 grams.
Not much effect I could concern from placebo.
Next day re used the 5grams and added 4 more of the same red Thai pre milled. Total of 9 grams brewed.
Same thing.

So two days later I decided fuck it and reused the red Thai 9 grams and add 4 grams of the red vain MD.
Total of 12-13grams tea. Got pretty damn high.

Idk if it was the leaves but the tea came out so much stronger than the two times I made it with just pre milled stuff.

Maybe it's just coincidence.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: impaired420]
    #23609538 - 09/03/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OP, I have been taking Kratom for about 7 years now, so I have a few tips for you that may help improve your experience. For your first time, you want to go more around 3-5g for a noteworthy experience (I have taken 10g every day for the past 4 years lol). For best results, do not eat anything for around 2-3hr before taking it.

I like to take a Turmeric Supplement (potentiates), 6oz of Grapefruit juice (potentiates), and Ginger Supplement (prevents nausea) 45min before taking the kratom. Just trust me and use the toss and wash method with Orange Juice instead of wasting your time with caps (they coat your stomach and greatly subtract from the experience imo). Trust me when I say you will get used to the bitterness and even come to like it (with time).

I love this herb and it breaks my heart that the DEA is trying to fuck it up. I have been in such good health (body and mind) since beginning taking it, have so much more energy, and am almost never sick. I hope you enjoy it!


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: br33zy]
    #23610486 - 09/04/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is something that gets much better the more you develop a relationship with it. Its very common for people to be disappointed and underwhelmed at first mostly because they expect too much but also because the effects are difficult to distinguish at first.

I think this is because Kratom is mainly a feeling as oppose to a headspace although it can get pretty dreamy and even hallucinogenic if you've taken alot of it and are nodding out blissfully. But you cant really take it with the intention to get high or nod out as it doesnt really work like that but rather sometimes just happens.

I get some great Green Malay but even with that Kratom (the best I have so far found) I need about 5 grams.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: wolf8312]
    #23610511 - 09/04/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is by far one of the best natural herbs on the planet.  Next to weed, kratom is most amazing.  They want to make it illegal because they are the antichrist.  I can't even order it to my state any longer.

All else that I can say is that it made life much better, and it is bad for your teeth.  In my experience, about the teeth.  lol
The gums tend to recede a slight bit, which heals once you stopped using it.

That stuff is next to weed and people with depression even, should be prescribed crushed leaf.  It will almost definitely work.  A sad world we live in where a thing like that is made illegal.  The people running the show are money hungry sicko-fuckos.  That's how shit gets scary eventually, and kratom becoming a controlled substance is no exception. 

Meanwhile...  Who cares, right?  Let the police rape you on a side road somewhere.


Edited by fractalsybolism (09/04/16 08:07 AM)


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23611247 - 09/04/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I took my morning dose of maeng da earlier but u had forgot I didn't eat dinner last night and God did I get the wobbles. Felt like the worst low blood sugar of my life. Tuna sandwich cleared it up though. Love my kratom!


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