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Kratom - first timer
    #23604687 - 09/02/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just got my "fuck you, DEA" shipment of Indonesian Kratom.  What I received was EXTREMELY finely ground cactus-green powder - practically dust.  Wet my index finger and did a taste-test.  As with cactus, it is extremely bitter as others have said.  I placed exactly two grams in a paper bathroom dixie cup and thoroughly mixed it into about three times the volume of organic rasberry preserve from France.  Now THAT is palatable!

It's been 15 minutes...nothing yet.  Will report back in about an hour.



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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23604752 - 09/02/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23604780 - 09/02/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Best of luck. Too funny my first batch should be here tomorrow as well :snoop:


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23604810 - 09/02/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23605015 - 09/02/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

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Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605098 - 09/02/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There is no cross tolerance between kratom and mushrooms but I would recommend taking kratom on the come down rather than before the mushroom.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23605176 - 09/02/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy.....





For someone with no tolerance to opioids and no previous or recent history of heavy opioid use, I think 2g should be plenty.



I've been taking this leaf daily for about 4 years now (a few short breaks here & there)....

....and even after 4 years of taking 2-grams two to three times a day, 2g will most definitely still produce a very pronounced effect/buzz for me. Very energizing and/or relaxing depending on what I'm doing, a pleasant opioid warmth through out my body (relatively mild but still pronounced).

In fact, I've tapered down my doses over the past few days because of the ban I'm trying to cut back and stretch out my supply....and I just took around 1.5g (about 2/3rd of a teaspoon) and I feel quite pleasant even from that small of an amount. Back pain is noticeably dulled down, mild warmth through the body, pleasant opioid-like mood lift.



A high dose for me is around 4g to 6g....5g can put me into a nod depending on the strain, anything beyond that and I'll start to get dizzy, nauseated, hot/sweaty, and just dysphoric in general....I've stuck with 2g as my standard dose even after all these years because it still works just fine for me.




Nature B...I'm surprised you're not feeling anything from 2g after an hour, might be relatively weak material :shrug: . For some reason some folks don't seem to get much of anything from kratom though, most of the time it's people that have previously been opioid users.







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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605206 - 09/02/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.




Maybe...but I seriously doubt just a couple of teaspoons of rasberry preserve stopped any meaningful effect, especially since it is loaded with sugar and would dissolve within minutes. I just dosed too low since it was my first time. 

I'm modestly off baseline after 3 grams.  Feels the same as a couple of martinis.  There's NO WAY I could choke this shit down (and keep it down) by eating it raw and chasing it with water.  No fucking way.  It is putrid tasting.  Think raw cactus snot and you've got the taste pretty close.  I could encapsulate it though.  Personally, I think I'll just try again in a couple of weeks on an empty stomach to insure zero tolerance and go for 4 grams and see what happens.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605217 - 09/02/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
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Psilocypher said:
I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

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Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.



hahawhat the fuck you starve yourself for 8 hours before doing kratom?


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: openmind]
    #23605238 - 09/02/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nature B...I'm surprised you're not feeling anything from 2g after an hour, might be relatively weak material :shrug: . For some reason some folks don't seem to get much of anything from kratom though, most of the time it's people that have previously been opioid users.




Thanks for the comments, brother.  I'm a pretty big boy almost 6' 1" and 190 muscular pounds.  Could be weak, but as far as I can tell my source is reputable.  After 3 grams spaced out the way I did it it settled in pretty gently - almost sneaky.  No nausea with the ROA I chose despite the taste.  I may lay down for a bit and "feel it out" for a while to try and characterize the effects.

Definitely not hungry although with what little I've eaten today (and it's dinner time) I'm a little surprised 'bout that.

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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #23605309 - 09/02/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
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Psilocypher said:
I don't think you'll feel much off 2g. 3g is a light dose for me which provides a warm glowing energy. Best to start small though.
How's it going so far?




Yep...you're right.  T +1 hour and...nothing.  Just prepared another 1 gram.  Same ROA.

Will advise.  Am planning a 3 gram mushroom trip for tonight.  I doubt there's any cross tolerance.

N.B.




Don't eat anything for 6-8 hours and take it raw with water. That raspberry preserve most likely stopped you from absorbing most of it.
If I got stuff in my stomach it usually won't do anything to me.



hahawhat the fuck you starve yourself for 8 hours before doing kratom?




8 hours without food is nothing I wouldn't call it starving :lol:
I usually go 12 hours between what I eat when I wake up and when I get home.

I thought OP ate a bunch of jam because I didn't read the post right.

I just fill my mouth with water and dump 5g of kratom in and let it absorb the water well then swallow. 5g can be too much for someone with no tolerance though.
You need to drink a good amount of water with it in my experience because it can be dehydrating.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #23605350 - 09/02/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe...but I seriously doubt just a couple of teaspoons of rasberry preserve stopped any meaningful effect, especially since it is loaded with sugar and would dissolve within minutes. I just dosed too low since it was my first time. 

I'm modestly off baseline after 3 grams.  Feels the same as a couple of martinis.  There's NO WAY I could choke this shit down (and keep it down) by eating it raw and chasing it with water.  No fucking way.  It is putrid tasting.  Think raw cactus snot and you've got the taste pretty close.  I could encapsulate it though.  Personally, I think I'll just try again in a couple of weeks on an empty stomach to insure zero tolerance and go for 4 grams and see what happens.

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Right on :thumbup: .


I like to take it on an empty or relatively empty stomach, then eat a light snack/fruit around 20 to 30 minutes after and that little bit of something in the stomach seems to help digest and absorb the goods.


I too don't think that little bit of preserve would do much to slow down absorption of the actives.



And :lol: about the taste....I drink/eat a lot of bitter things so maybe my palate is different, but I never found it to be anywhere close to the funk that cactus tea has, to me it taste just like an earthy bitter dark/black tea. Not pleasant tasting, but it's not bad, it doesn't make me grimace like cactus tea or rue tea does.

I've "toss & washed" the stuff since day one...A teaspoon of the leaf dumped on the center of my tongue, I take a little sip of cold water and hold that in my mouth for a few seconds and the kratom powder clumps together into a "wad" as it sits on my tongue, then I take a few big gulps of water and it all washes down at once. Took me a while to get my method down, but I barely taste it with the way I do it...everyone figures out a method that works best for them.



Your mention of not being all that hungry....Kratom does lower my appetite a little bit, nothing drastic though.






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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: openmind]
    #23605436 - 09/02/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Funny thing for me is my first time taking kratom I took 12 grams (with no opioid tolerance). I had no idea what a high dose that was, but after some nausea I had a great time.

But these days my dose is closer to 3-4 grams.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23605472 - 09/02/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

going 12 hours without eating sounds unhealthy as fuck u should really eat more often than that man


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Sheekle]
    #23605590 - 09/02/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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going 12 hours without eating sounds unhealthy as fuck u should really eat more often than that man




Honestly though Kratom is best taken on an empty stomach at the start of the day or something.

Just ordered a kilo don't live in the US and the ban won't effect me for now but I'm still outraged because I know how pissed I would be if it was my problem too. Kratom helped me quit smoking permanently and instead of drinking on a Friday or Saturday I do Kratom. I'm a horrible start and don't stop drinker as well and drink to excessive very unhealthy amounts- my hangovers border on hallucinogenic.

Doesn't need to be said then how much Kratom has helped me and improved my health. Kratom is such a gentle and subtle feeling but there are times lying in bed half way between wake and sleep when it can be blissful and the more my relationship with it developed the more I grew to love it.

This is an utter disgrace and the worst thing is once America does something the rest of the world follows suit! I don't know what I would do without it to be honest. Drink probably! It's a great substance precisely because it's not that great of a one as well, whereas something like ecstasy will blow your mind and leave you feeling suicidal the next day even if you overdo it Kratom is still managable and less is often more, it doesn't impair judgment or leave you a drugged up zombie you can take it in almost any setting and nobody would be any the wiser. How is it that these laws pass without them needing any justifications whatsoever?

Obviously some pharmacutical conspiracy of some sort!


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: wolf8312]
    #23605641 - 09/02/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

MDMA never left me suicidal. Sure you didn't get some meth in there?


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23605653 - 09/02/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I love kratom it is an herb of my heart and I am so sad to see it go.


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    #23605807 - 09/02/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok slight exaggeration wasn't meaning literally just meant it as a metaphor for feeling horribly depressed.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23605813 - 09/02/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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MDMA never left me suicidal. Sure you didn't get some meth in there?




Ok slight exaggeration wasn't meaning literally just meant it as a metaphor for feeling horribly depressed.


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Re: Kratom - first timer [Re: wolf8312]
    #23605924 - 09/02/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

MDMA leaves me horribly depressed every time I take it. Its one reason I dont know if I want to use it anymore. I find that before using it, rather than feel excited about the experience I am more worried about how bad Im gonna feel the rest of the week.


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