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Kratom March 2
#23604515 - 09/02/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://kratommarchdc.com/
Help us make a stand against the DEA
We the people are leading the charge to march in front of The White House to support Kratom and prevent the DEA from labeling Kratom as a Schedule I Substance. Meet us at The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington D.C. on Tuesday, Sept. 13th @ 12:00 Noon.
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Ogla



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schedule 1 is a bit extreme
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Mr. Magic


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Re: Kratom March [Re: Ogla]
#23605174 - 09/02/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Id be there if i could
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Why are people going to protest at the WH? Because that would generate more media attention? Why don't people protest in front of a DEA headquarters?
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Lmao. What sort of repressive regime would it be if they listened to the people?
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I might go just to see how many itchy, constipated hippies there are.
Just kidding. I might go actually, if I do I'm gonna see if I can score some free krat while I'm there
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Celestial Traveler said: Why are people going to protest at the WH? Because that would generate more media attention? Why don't people protest in front of a DEA headquarters?
This is what I was thinking too
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Eminence]
#23605932 - 09/02/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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if something has pain killing properties how is it classified as schedule 1. Oxycodone sure as fuck only positive attribute is pain killing properties. I hope this shit is just a scare because I've been going hard with kratom lately and stopping would not be fun.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Gorlax]
#23606062 - 09/02/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Better stock up quick and start slowing down right now then
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Eminence]
#23606065 - 09/02/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Too bad I can't go to DC, or id def march
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I do my little turn on the krat walk, yeahh on the krat walk, yeah
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Eminence]
#23606204 - 09/02/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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poop farts
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Konyap] 2
#23606675 - 09/03/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The shroomery. Where no one stands up for mushrooms, but will march for kratom
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago] 1
#23606678 - 09/03/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If mushrooms had been legal in the first place and would be banned in the near future, then you might be able to draw that analogy.
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No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
#23607655 - 09/03/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please attend if you can and please sign and share the petition in my sig!!!
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Re: Kratom March [Re: tripp23]
#23607751 - 09/03/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They need to move this thing to the 16th or 17th and I'd definitely be there
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago] 1
#23607767 - 09/03/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
My point is that I think people are more willing to march for Kratom because it is not already illegal. Preventing prohibition of mushrooms is a lost cause. I think people have the attitude that it's easier to prevent something from becoming illegal that's not already illegal than it is to legalize something that's already been illegal for 40+ years.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
#23607929 - 09/03/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said: The shroomery. Where no one stands up for mushrooms, but will march for kratom
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
The Shroomery: It always amazes me how people can be such ignorant assholes on a psychedelic mushroom website.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
#23607943 - 09/03/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
No doubt there's going to be more support for that then mushrooms.
Not everybody who takes Kratom is a dope fiend. I haven't ever done heroin or meth but I love kratom.
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impatientguy said: Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
Even if this is true, I refuse to believe it.
Now I support kratom, and I would quietly support you guys marching from behind my computer monitor in the comfort of my own home, and I do think it's something of a miracle drug for opiate addicts, but Vandago has a point. Comparing kratom with mushrooms is crazy, they're not even on the same level, and yet we all sit around here with our thumbs up our asses doing absolutely nothing to advance the legalization of mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
There is something fundamentally fucked up about our complacency on these fronts. Being non-complacent about something else definitely highlights how fucked up it is that we're all just sitting around not doing anything to support mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: nooneman]
#23608545 - 09/03/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree.
And the only reason i think kratom helps more people is because a lot more people take it than people taking mushrooms.
They definitely both have their own uses though
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Re: Kratom March [Re: nooneman]
#23608587 - 09/03/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@vandago and nooneman Sorry to be a dick but what i see is a couple guys complaining over the internet. Go out and gather up people for a mushroom march then!!
Let us all know how that goes.
The point is clear, kratom could potentially be saved, so people want to march which is awesome. Mushrooms/lsd on the other hand, not any time soon. That will take a lot of marching. Lol
Were just putting up a small fight against kratom becoming illegal like mushrooms are. After this its over man, or else mushrooms/lsd/weed would be legal by now.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Ogla]
#23608904 - 09/03/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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losfreddy said: schedule 1 is a bit extreme
Schedule anything is a bit extreme.
Lol who picked a fucking Tuesday for a march? I mean, there's probably a reason for it, but goddamn that makes it hard for the 9-5er who doesn't live in DC.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Society]
#23608947 - 09/03/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Society, remember me (frylock)? If you still live in Richmond and have a chance to make it we should meet up there, I got a couple friends who are interested but none of us are sure about it yet.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: nooneman]
#23609049 - 09/03/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nooneman said:
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impatientguy said: Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
Even if this is true, I refuse to believe it.
Now I support kratom, and I would quietly support you guys marching from behind my computer monitor in the comfort of my own home, and I do think it's something of a miracle drug for opiate addicts, but Vandago has a point. Comparing kratom with mushrooms is crazy, they're not even on the same level, and yet we all sit around here with our thumbs up our asses doing absolutely nothing to advance the legalization of mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
There is something fundamentally fucked up about our complacency on these fronts. Being non-complacent about something else definitely highlights how fucked up it is that we're all just sitting around not doing anything to support mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
Psychedelics are not for everyone though... Where as everyone deals with pain, some people to the point they need pain meds...
I don't get what is so hard to understand about this. People abusing kratom as an opiate probably don't give a shit and would rather go back to shooting heroin...
This is going to effect the thousands if not millions of people using it medicinally to deal with thier chronic pain...
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I believe you have the right to ingest anything you want. The obvious drugs of major concern no (fent, heroin, etc) I've only seen those do insane damage to people. You can't even overdose on kratom. I was a fucking vicodin fiend and used kratom to quit. I finally felt that feeling where you don't think about picking up. I also know plenty of people who did the same thing except with way more crazier addictions like oxys. I find it ridiculous to claim Kratom is dangerous. lol. Taking too much just makes you never want to take too much again~~!
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Gorlax]
#23610832 - 09/04/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A message for the Dallas/Fort Worth area!
https://m.facebook.com/groups/573649889473526
Aaaannnnddddd.. Washington State!
https://m.facebook.com/savekratomwastate/?ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity
STOP THE DEA
VERY IMPORTANT PLEASE READ AND SHARE : We have spoken with many people who have been advised by lawyers that the most effective way to combat this is by having each individual who has a care for this cause to contact your congressman and explain the action going on and the benefits you have had with Kratom, how much the take away of this herb would affect your life, never the less make everyday people felons at months end. What we are trying to accomplish is anyone in State legislation, (congress) do what is called a “demand Letter” to the DEA on this issue. Congressional action is needed to show the lies and false science issued about this plant in order to protect big pharmaceutical company. It is important to call in a polite manner and just share your story in a positive way. #KRATOMSAVESLIVES #SAVEKRATOM #KRATOMMARCHDC
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These are the people responsible for signing off the Emergency Kratom ban.
Email asap when possible!
Correspondence to the department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:
U.S. Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW Washington DC 20530-0001
The department may be contacted by phone at the following:
Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555 Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000
Peter J Kadzik Assistant Attorney General Contact Office of Legislation Affairs: 202-514-2141
Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison: 202-514-3465
Michael J Lewis, Office of Diversion, Drug Enforcement Administration Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia, 22152 Telephone: 202-598-6812
Also please contact the assistant secretary of HHS Karen B Desalvo, MD, MPH, MSc
Acting Assistant Secretary for Health:
Email Address: ASH@hhs.gov
Telephone: 202-690-7694
Jim Esquea
Assistant Secretary for Legislation (ASL)
Telephone: 202-690-7627
Kevin Griffis
Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs (ASPA)
Telephone: 202-690-7850
Colleen Barros
Acting Assistant Secretary for Administration (ASA)
HHS Office of the Secretary
Email Address: asaio@hhs.gov
Telephone: 202-690-7431
**Be sure to sign and share the petition in my sig!!
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Re: Kratom March [Re: tripp23]
#23610840 - 09/04/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does the WH need to sign the ban for it to take effect? I thought the DEA could just schedule substances on a whim by itself.
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impatientguy said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
No doubt there's going to be more support for that then mushrooms.
Not everybody who takes Kratom is a dope fiend. I haven't ever done heroin or meth but I love kratom.
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Celestial Traveler said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
My point is that I think people are more willing to march for Kratom because it is not already illegal. Preventing prohibition of mushrooms is a lost cause. I think people have the attitude that it's easier to prevent something from becoming illegal that's not already illegal than it is to legalize something that's already been illegal for 40+ years.
It's this exact way of thinking that is causing no change what so ever to occur.
Marijuana was/is illegal, and a lot more people are doing something about that than any other drug. Mushrooms are in the same scheduling federally. There is no logic in your statement.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
#23612822 - 09/04/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said:
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Celestial Traveler said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
My point is that I think people are more willing to march for Kratom because it is not already illegal. Preventing prohibition of mushrooms is a lost cause. I think people have the attitude that it's easier to prevent something from becoming illegal that's not already illegal than it is to legalize something that's already been illegal for 40+ years.
It's this exact way of thinking that is causing no change what so ever to occur.
Marijuana was/is illegal, and a lot more people are doing something about that than any other drug. Mushrooms are in the same scheduling federally. There is no logic in your statement.
Are you aware that most of the population probably doesn't even know that psychedelic mushrooms exist? That there is a mushroom you can eat that gets you high?
The reason there is so much support for marijuana legalization is because there is more mass familiarity with it, among other things.
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i would love to go anyone from around lake eerie wana give a brother a lift lol ill make it worth it.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
#23612970 - 09/04/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
No doubt there's going to be more support for that then mushrooms.
Not everybody who takes Kratom is a dope fiend. I haven't ever done heroin or meth but I love kratom.

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impatientguy said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
No doubt there's going to be more support for that then mushrooms.
Not everybody who takes Kratom is a dope fiend. I haven't ever done heroin or meth but I love kratom.


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Mushrooms are amazing for cluster headaches, depression, depersonalizing, so on and so forth. Also used by thousands, if not millions of separate individuals on a yearly basis.
No one's hoping for a mushroom march where they will be handing out free mushrooms.
People just want easy access to drugs. This march isn't going to be people on crutches, or people getting steroid shots. It's going to be a pointless shit show for one individual plant that hardly anyone that doesn't use knows anything about.
There should be a march for the legalization of all drugs on a regular basis, instead of heading to a place that literally won't make a damned difference, and exposing a bunch of junkies bumming shit.
Make sure to leave your empty medicine bottles in a stack when you leave, because that helped too.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago] 2
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So your mad we care more about saving something that we actually have a chance to save
Than something that is a lost cause?
Mushrooms won't be legal for a long time Kratom is legal right now but won't be soon and helps lots and lots of people get off opioids everyday. Why wouldn't we try to stop it.. baby steps man.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Eminence]
#23614502 - 09/05/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not start an event in your area?? A lot of people are doing that since all can't make the DC event...
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Ogla]
#23614975 - 09/05/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How was this allowed to take place in various states? Oh yes, you have no say and they didn't ask you for your opinion.
We need more people in jail apparently.
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Don't have any idea how to help stop the ban??
I gotcha covered! Check out the link and push forth!
http://www.americankratom.org/national_call_to_action
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Than something that is a lost cause?
Mushrooms won't be legal for a long time Kratom is legal right now but won't be soon and helps lots and lots of people get off opioids everyday. Why wouldn't we try to stop it.. baby steps man.
Who's mad? I think the march for kratom is a joke that is a waste of time. There's not enough backing to do shit about what the dea wants to do with illegalities.
I admire your hope I suppose, but it's wasted on storming around DC with signs.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago] 2
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Actually there is quite a significant backing, more than you probably realize. I've been involved enough to say that there is. I've been speaking to hundreds of people on all levels of this. I am used to people being apathetic when it comes to doing anything remotely activist. But I see firsthand all the people whose lives are actually impacted by this. It's not necessarily the people you find on here, but handicapped people of all types, cancer patients, people with depression. Some have found nothing else that works. Some actually find it works better then prescription options. Many do not want to be forced into a single choice that we all know is addictive. Many of them are retired veterans. So these are the people whose lives are really changed by this, and there a hell of a lot of them. And these people are the once with the most drive. They're making calls, they;re speaking out, sharing, donating...because it means a lot to them. And you're right, a march may mean very little, but it's a gesture and a chance to educate people. It seems even many people on here have misconceptions. SO you can imagine what the general public thinks. But people are contributing. They're putting money behind the effort, and that goes to fund the legal effort, and there lies a significant backing. There is an industry behind this, stretch in many directions all the way back to a jungle in Boreno somewhere. That combined with a passionate group and legal and political representation adds up to backing. If you don;t believe it, then there's still no point to become an enemy. Even if it's not your cause, you should support the ideals of it. There is hope here, and people are mobilizing. The march is simply about showing a presence and educating people. But those calls and donations really help the entire thing that will go down in a room somewhere, but don;t be discouraged. At the very least, we have a chance.
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World Seed Supply said: Actually there is quite a significant backing, more than you probably realize. I've been involved enough to say that there is. I've been speaking to hundreds of people on all levels of this. I am used to people being apathetic when it comes to doing anything remotely activist. But I see firsthand all the people whose lives are actually impacted by this. It's not necessarily the people you find on here, but handicapped people of all types, cancer patients, people with depression. Some have found nothing else that works. Some actually find it works better then prescription options. Many do not want to be forced into a single choice that we all know is addictive. Many of them are retired veterans. So these are the people whose lives are really changed by this, and there a hell of a lot of them. And these people are the once with the most drive. They're making calls, they;re speaking out, sharing, donating...because it means a lot to them. And you're right, a march may mean very little, but it's a gesture and a chance to educate people. It seems even many people on here have misconceptions. SO you can imagine what the general public thinks. But people are contributing. They're putting money behind the effort, and that goes to fund the legal effort, and there lies a significant backing. There is an industry behind this, stretch in many directions all the way back to a jungle in Boreno somewhere. That combined with a passionate group and legal and political representation adds up to backing. If you don;t believe it, then there's still no point to become an enemy. Even if it's not your cause, you should support the ideals of it. There is hope here, and people are mobilizing. The march is simply about showing a presence and educating people. But those calls and donations really help the entire thing that will go down in a room somewhere, but don;t be discouraged. At the very least, we have a chance.
I can vouch for worldseedsupply also. Involved with all these groups and people and events. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of Kratom users is in the couple of millions.
It's not even about letting them ban a harmless plant.. it's about the right to choose what we put in our own bodies. The government DOESNT own you, you own the government.. if it's the ladder, then a revolution should be in order to correct it.
I myself, can vouch as well. I have been diagnosed with major depressive disorder.. Kratom is the only thing that truly helps me.. I have never touched any opiates in my life.. ever. Besides a couple Vicodin for a dentist procedure years ago. If I'm a Kratom addict, so be it. How's it harming you? I need my medicine.
This ban is literally signing a death warrant, not only of myself.. but of countless other individuals that use this herb..
And also.. if you want mushrooms legal so badly. Start a petition, webpage, events, and Facebook pages and inform other to join, support, and learn them of the workings and info of mushrooms.. just like us Kratom lovers have been doing. People will join, they always do.. what are you waiting for? The change started with myself with this Kratom ban.. mushrooms could be next, resulted from you.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: if something has pain killing properties how is it classified as schedule 1. Oxycodone sure as fuck only positive attribute is pain killing properties. I hope this shit is just a scare because I've been going hard with kratom lately and stopping would not be fun.
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This is insanely depressing. The shit they get away with is mind-boggling.
This is the theft of people's livelihood and capital, and jail time for those caught with it. It is criminal, and this has been the case in numerous states for over 2 years.
Not to mention it is indeed not fun to stop using kratom. 2 weeks before you even start to get over it. Not so physical as with common opiates, but the addiction to even such a benign substance does have a heavy psychological component obviously.
I am starting to think they just want to steal money, fuck up the free market, steal more money, jail people, and program people to not understand what freedom means. They will continue to push forward and will not answer serious questions like, "is meth more dangerous than marijuana?"
You see, they can't answer that question. They cannot incriminate themselves. It is beyond crazy that they have not reformed most drug laws by now. But PLEASE DO MAKE SURE your internet keeps pushing new fucking iphones on you and collectively helping to destroy the internet, not to mention computing.
I see much slavery in the future. While we are at it we should see if we can make it so everyone in the US can have a desk job and do completely infantile busy wok all day. You know, make it so our economy has no reflection of a free market or a rational direction whatsoever. Meanwhile, people are still making fun of farmers and assembly line workers. It is all going straight to hell. Such success as the industrial revolution turned us in to robots who impoverish everyone for a dollar. We don't make sense and I'm very much scared for future generations.
Everything seems a reflection of evil and predictive programming, thus I am scared for all of us.
I must have been 16 when I noticed how fucked we are, and it's soooo much worse today. People don't notice it much, just like when I was 16, because they still have their pointless jobs and money to pass around. The subterfuge of stupid we have created is very much detrimental to the whole world, and the future of our species.
I wish people gave more of a shit about the hole we are digging ourselves into. It is absolutely frightening.
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I've had it in my mind for a few years now that once plants such as kratom, kava, salvia divinorum, san pedro (and other psychoactive columner cacti), MHRB/ACRB and MG/HBWR seeds become schedule one its a signal for the beginning of the end of the golden age of legal ethnobotanicals.
Fucking god damn drug war......god fucking damn this drug war.....so many of our brothers and sisters have suffered so fucking god damn much....when will it end.....
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World Seed Supply said: Actually there is quite a significant backing, more than you probably realize. I've been involved enough to say that there is. I've been speaking to hundreds of people on all levels of this. I am used to people being apathetic when it comes to doing anything remotely activist. But I see firsthand all the people whose lives are actually impacted by this. It's not necessarily the people you find on here, but handicapped people of all types, cancer patients, people with depression. Some have found nothing else that works. Some actually find it works better then prescription options. Many do not want to be forced into a single choice that we all know is addictive. Many of them are retired veterans. So these are the people whose lives are really changed by this, and there a hell of a lot of them. And these people are the once with the most drive. They're making calls, they;re speaking out, sharing, donating...because it means a lot to them. And you're right, a march may mean very little, but it's a gesture and a chance to educate people. It seems even many people on here have misconceptions. SO you can imagine what the general public thinks. But people are contributing. They're putting money behind the effort, and that goes to fund the legal effort, and there lies a significant backing. There is an industry behind this, stretch in many directions all the way back to a jungle in Boreno somewhere. That combined with a passionate group and legal and political representation adds up to backing. If you don;t believe it, then there's still no point to become an enemy. Even if it's not your cause, you should support the ideals of it. There is hope here, and people are mobilizing. The march is simply about showing a presence and educating people. But those calls and donations really help the entire thing that will go down in a room somewhere, but don;t be discouraged. At the very least, we have a chance.
By all means, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see you all prove me wrong.
Banning this shit is a fucking atrocious bunch of bullshit. Banning salvia the same. Soon san pedro will be banned at this rate, we all see it coming.
The days of indulgence are coming to a point, and that point is the dark net which is filled with amazing stuff, but also riddled with evil, analogs that kill, and who knows where the stuff is really coming from.
Having nature at your side is the best way to really go IMO. I think kratom is a good tool for pain, for addiction, for cravings, etc.
I would be tickled fucking pink for this march and petition to work. It NEEDS to work. And if it does I will eat my words, and I will get involved in more and more when and if I can.
I'm apathetic and defeated though. I hate it because I used to scream "FIGHT DAMMIT FIGHT!!! DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN!!!" And it just seemed like the crazy naked dude with a sign saying the world was going to end, proverbially, in my mind. The government as a whole has too much power.
Personally I just really think there needs to be an aim at a total change. This shit is unreal. Have you seen the DEA's requested budget for the coming year? And that's not counting all the revenue they rake in robbing people, and stores, and forfeitures. We are faced with a vicious gang that is just showing how much goddamn power it has.
You think I am for the banning of kratom? Fuck no I am not. I want the goddamn dea and feds in general to stick to their own goddamn guns. Fucking be a real help. Get the people selling cut up poison to people gone. Stop skimming off the top. Stop stretching their power across the countries ignorance. I wanna see EVERYONE wake the fuck up.
I'm getting older. Things are improving on one side of things ( marijuana ) and that's a damn distraction to a lot of activists not focusing on the bigger picture. My fucking cigarettes should have a FSC in them if I choose not to have it. I should be able to smoke some goddamn weed at home whenever I want. I should be able to shoot up goddamn heroin if I so choose to do so if it isn't hurting anybody.
But they tagged me so many fucking times with so many charges, I would literally have to live a straight and narrow life just to fight back now. Cause so and so with a past record can't have anything in his system when he gets tackled and maced and drug off by a fucking nazi esq swat team.
I'm disgusted by this ban. By all bans. By the lack of research and abundance of ignorance about plants and chemicals worldwide.
but goddammit, I can't do much but sign a paper. And most can't. We are tied the fuck down. The whole damn thing is a fucking joke, not just the kratom march, this fucking idealistic notion of freedom in reality we have, it's a fucking joke.
There's more of us, and by us I mean people being pushed down, hungry fucking people, depressed fucking people, people that just want to have a good time, people that have never done a damn thing wrong but are marked with felonies, people who can't fucking stand to have a cop behind them, then there are of what is oppressing us.
I don't know what the answer is really. People say revolt! But how? If someone really figures something out, that is a real impact on stopping them from making these bullshit laws, hmu.
I have to get back to my dead end job now.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: tripp23]
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I can
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
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Can't make it to the whitehouse but
I am going to have to pray with the overview effect in mind into the invisible web connecting us, very strongly when smoking pure tobacco.
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I really wish I could go.....
For some kind soul who is going keep me in mind so I can be there in spirit!
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Forgive me for asking but is it still possible to get kratom legally?
I take it most vendors don't have a card purchase option now.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Atreyu]
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We just didn't march hard enough bro.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
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vandago said: We just didn't march hard enough bro.
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Sadly this really is going to lead to more deaths.
I wish I would've back stocked on it.....kinda....but having kilos of a schedule 1 substance doesn't sound like a good plan.
I can't wait to hear the "10 kilos of heroin like substance found worth a street value of 3 million in 22 year olds apartment" bullshit news articles
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Atreyu]
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Atreyu said: Forgive me for asking but is it still possible to get kratom legally?
I take it most vendors don't have a card purchase option now.
Shame.
You can still place orders with cards until the 30th
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Kratoms under attack, what we gonna do? STAND UP FIGHT BACK!
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you know they say. If they outlaw kratom, then only outlaws will have kratom
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Ogla]
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Yea, not the best situation for someone on felony probation
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