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Offlinetripp23
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Re: Kratom March [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23615216 - 09/05/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't have any idea how to help stop the ban??

I gotcha covered!  Check out the link and push forth!

http://www.americankratom.org/national_call_to_action


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Re: Kratom March [Re: impatientguy]
    #23616450 - 09/05/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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impatientguy said:
So your mad we care more about saving something that we actually have a chance to save

Than something that is a lost cause?

Mushrooms won't be legal for a long time Kratom is legal right now but won't be soon and helps lots and lots of people get off opioids everyday.  Why wouldn't we try to stop it..  baby steps man.





Who's mad? I think the march for kratom is a joke that is a waste of time. There's not enough backing to do shit about what the dea wants to do with illegalities.

I admire your hope I suppose, but it's wasted on storming around DC with signs.


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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago] * 2
    #23617030 - 09/06/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Actually there is quite a significant backing, more than you probably realize.  I've been involved enough to say that there is. I've been speaking to hundreds of people on all levels of this. I am used to people being apathetic when it comes to doing anything remotely activist. But I see firsthand all the people whose lives are actually impacted by this. It's not necessarily the people you find on here, but handicapped people of all types, cancer patients, people with depression. Some have found nothing else that works. Some actually find it works better then prescription options. Many do not want to be forced into a single choice that we all know is addictive. Many of them are retired veterans. So these are the people whose lives are really changed by this, and there a hell of a lot of them. And these people are the once with the most drive. They're making calls, they;re speaking out, sharing, donating...because it means a lot to them. And you're right, a march may mean very little, but it's a gesture and a chance to educate people. It seems even many people on here have misconceptions. SO you can imagine what the general public thinks. But people are contributing. They're putting money behind the effort, and that goes to fund the legal effort, and there lies a significant backing. There is an industry behind this, stretch in many directions all the way back to a jungle in Boreno somewhere. That combined with a passionate group and legal and political representation adds up to backing. If you don;t believe it, then there's still no point to become an enemy.  Even if it's not your cause, you should support the ideals of it. There is hope here, and people are mobilizing. The march is simply about showing a presence and educating people. But those calls and donations really help the entire thing that will go down in a room somewhere, but don;t be discouraged. At the very least, we have a chance.


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Re: Kratom March [Re: World Seed Supply]
    #23619120 - 09/06/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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World Seed Supply said:
Actually there is quite a significant backing, more than you probably realize.  I've been involved enough to say that there is. I've been speaking to hundreds of people on all levels of this. I am used to people being apathetic when it comes to doing anything remotely activist. But I see firsthand all the people whose lives are actually impacted by this. It's not necessarily the people you find on here, but handicapped people of all types, cancer patients, people with depression. Some have found nothing else that works. Some actually find it works better then prescription options. Many do not want to be forced into a single choice that we all know is addictive. Many of them are retired veterans. So these are the people whose lives are really changed by this, and there a hell of a lot of them. And these people are the once with the most drive. They're making calls, they;re speaking out, sharing, donating...because it means a lot to them. And you're right, a march may mean very little, but it's a gesture and a chance to educate people. It seems even many people on here have misconceptions. SO you can imagine what the general public thinks. But people are contributing. They're putting money behind the effort, and that goes to fund the legal effort, and there lies a significant backing. There is an industry behind this, stretch in many directions all the way back to a jungle in Boreno somewhere. That combined with a passionate group and legal and political representation adds up to backing. If you don;t believe it, then there's still no point to become an enemy.  Even if it's not your cause, you should support the ideals of it. There is hope here, and people are mobilizing. The march is simply about showing a presence and educating people. But those calls and donations really help the entire thing that will go down in a room somewhere, but don;t be discouraged. At the very least, we have a chance.




I can vouch for worldseedsupply also.  Involved with all these groups and people and events.  I wouldn't be surprised if the number of Kratom users is in the couple of millions.

It's not even about letting them ban a harmless plant.. it's about the right to choose what we put in our own bodies.  The government DOESNT own you, you own the government.. if it's the ladder, then a revolution should be in order to correct it.

I myself, can vouch as well.  I have been diagnosed with major depressive disorder.. Kratom is the only thing that truly helps me..  I have never touched any opiates in my life.. ever. Besides a couple Vicodin for a dentist procedure years ago.  If I'm a Kratom addict, so be it.  How's it harming you?  I need my medicine.

This ban is literally signing a death warrant, not only of myself.. but of countless other individuals that use this herb..

And also.. if you want mushrooms legal so badly.  Start a petition, webpage, events, and Facebook pages and inform other to join, support, and learn them of the workings and info of mushrooms.. just like us Kratom lovers have been doing.  People will join, they always do.. what are you waiting for?  The change started with myself with this Kratom ban.. mushrooms could be next, resulted from you.

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Re: Kratom March [Re: Gorlax]
    #23619155 - 09/06/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Gorlax said:
if something has pain killing properties how is it classified as schedule 1. Oxycodone sure as fuck only positive attribute is pain killing properties. I hope this shit is just a scare because I've been going hard with kratom lately and stopping would not be fun.



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Re: Kratom March [Re: Sky Walker]
    #23620333 - 09/06/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is insanely depressing.  The shit they get away with is mind-boggling. 

This is the theft of people's livelihood and capital, and jail time for those caught with it.  It is criminal, and this has been the case in numerous states for over 2 years.

Not to mention it is indeed not fun to stop using kratom.  2 weeks before you even start to get over it.  Not so physical as with common opiates, but the addiction to even such a benign substance does have a heavy psychological component obviously. 

I am starting to think they just want to steal money, fuck up the free market, steal more money, jail people, and program people to not understand what freedom means.  They will continue to push forward and will not answer serious questions like, "is meth more dangerous than marijuana?"

You see, they can't answer that question.  They cannot incriminate themselves.  It is beyond crazy that they have not reformed most drug laws by now.  But PLEASE DO MAKE SURE your internet keeps pushing new fucking iphones on you and collectively helping to destroy the internet, not to mention computing.

I see much slavery in the future.  While we are at it we should see if we can make it so everyone in the US can have a desk job and do completely infantile busy wok all day.  You know, make it so our economy has no reflection of a free market or a rational direction whatsoever.  Meanwhile, people are still making fun of farmers and assembly line workers.  It is all going straight to hell.  Such success as the industrial revolution turned us in to robots who impoverish everyone for a dollar.  We don't make sense and I'm very much scared for future generations.

Everything seems a reflection of evil and predictive programming, thus I am scared for all of us.

I must have been 16 when I noticed how fucked we are, and it's soooo much worse today.  People don't notice it much, just like when I was 16, because they still have their pointless jobs and money to pass around.  The subterfuge of stupid we have created is very much  detrimental to the whole world, and the future of our species.

I wish people gave more of a shit about the hole we are digging ourselves into.  It is absolutely frightening.


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Re: Kratom March [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23620418 - 09/06/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've had it in my mind for a few years now that once plants such as kratom, kava, salvia divinorum, san pedro (and other psychoactive columner cacti), MHRB/ACRB and MG/HBWR seeds become schedule one its a signal for the beginning of the end of the golden age of legal ethnobotanicals.

Fucking god damn drug war......god fucking damn this drug war.....so many of our brothers and sisters have suffered so fucking god damn much....when will it end.....


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Re: Kratom March [Re: World Seed Supply]
    #23620515 - 09/07/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

World Seed Supply said:
Actually there is quite a significant backing, more than you probably realize.  I've been involved enough to say that there is. I've been speaking to hundreds of people on all levels of this. I am used to people being apathetic when it comes to doing anything remotely activist. But I see firsthand all the people whose lives are actually impacted by this. It's not necessarily the people you find on here, but handicapped people of all types, cancer patients, people with depression. Some have found nothing else that works. Some actually find it works better then prescription options. Many do not want to be forced into a single choice that we all know is addictive. Many of them are retired veterans. So these are the people whose lives are really changed by this, and there a hell of a lot of them. And these people are the once with the most drive. They're making calls, they;re speaking out, sharing, donating...because it means a lot to them. And you're right, a march may mean very little, but it's a gesture and a chance to educate people. It seems even many people on here have misconceptions. SO you can imagine what the general public thinks. But people are contributing. They're putting money behind the effort, and that goes to fund the legal effort, and there lies a significant backing. There is an industry behind this, stretch in many directions all the way back to a jungle in Boreno somewhere. That combined with a passionate group and legal and political representation adds up to backing. If you don;t believe it, then there's still no point to become an enemy.  Even if it's not your cause, you should support the ideals of it. There is hope here, and people are mobilizing. The march is simply about showing a presence and educating people. But those calls and donations really help the entire thing that will go down in a room somewhere, but don;t be discouraged. At the very least, we have a chance.





By all means, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see you all prove me wrong.

Banning this shit is a fucking atrocious bunch of bullshit. Banning salvia the same.  Soon san pedro will be banned at this rate, we all see it coming. 

The days of indulgence are coming to a point, and that point is the dark net which is filled with amazing stuff, but also riddled with evil, analogs that kill, and who knows where the stuff is really coming from.

Having nature at your side is the best way to really go IMO.  I think kratom is a good tool for pain, for addiction, for cravings, etc.

I would be tickled fucking pink for this march and petition to work.  It NEEDS to work.  And if it does I will eat my words, and I will get involved in more and more when and if I can.

I'm apathetic and defeated though. I hate it because I used to scream "FIGHT DAMMIT FIGHT!!! DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN!!!"  And it just seemed like the crazy naked dude with a sign saying the world was going to end, proverbially, in my mind. The government as a whole has too much power.

Personally I just really think there needs to be an aim at a total change.  This shit is unreal. Have you seen the DEA's requested budget for the coming year? And that's not counting all the revenue they rake in robbing people, and stores, and forfeitures. We are faced with a vicious gang that is just showing how much goddamn power it has.


You think I am for the banning of kratom? Fuck no I am not. I want the goddamn dea and feds in general to stick to their own goddamn guns. Fucking be a real help. Get the people selling cut up poison to people gone. Stop skimming off the top.  Stop stretching their power across the countries ignorance. I wanna see EVERYONE wake the fuck up. 

I'm getting older. Things are improving on one side of things ( marijuana ) and that's a damn distraction to a lot of activists not focusing on the bigger picture.  My fucking cigarettes should have a FSC in them if I choose not to have it.  I should be able to smoke some goddamn weed at home whenever I want.  I should be able to shoot up goddamn heroin if I so choose to do so if it isn't hurting anybody.

But they tagged me so many fucking times with so many charges, I would literally have to live a straight and narrow life just to fight back now.  Cause so and so with a past record can't have anything in his system when he gets tackled and maced and drug off by a fucking nazi esq swat team.

I'm disgusted by this ban. By all bans. By the lack of research and abundance of ignorance about plants and chemicals worldwide. 

but goddammit, I can't do much but sign a paper. And most can't. We are tied the fuck down. The whole damn thing is a fucking joke, not just the kratom march, this fucking idealistic notion of freedom in reality we have, it's a fucking joke. 

There's more of us, and by us I mean people being pushed down, hungry fucking people, depressed fucking people, people that just want to have a good time, people that have never done a damn thing wrong but are marked with felonies, people who can't fucking stand to have a cop behind them, then there are of what is oppressing us. 

I don't know what the answer is really. People say revolt! But how? If someone really figures something out, that is a real impact on stopping them from making these bullshit laws, hmu. 

I have to get back to my dead end job now.


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Re: Kratom March [Re: tripp23]
    #23620649 - 09/07/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can


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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
    #23620665 - 09/07/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can't make it to the whitehouse but

I am going to have to pray with the overview effect in mind into the invisible web connecting us, very strongly when smoking pure tobacco.


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Re: Kratom March [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23620851 - 09/07/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I really wish I could go.....


For some kind soul who is going keep me in mind so I can be there in spirit!


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Re: Kratom March [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23621371 - 09/07/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Forgive me for asking but is it still possible to get kratom legally?

I take it most vendors don't have a card purchase option now.

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Re: Kratom March [Re: Atreyu]
    #23624661 - 09/08/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We just didn't march hard enough bro.


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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
    #23624822 - 09/08/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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vandago said:
We just didn't march hard enough bro.




sad but true


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Re: Kratom March [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23624867 - 09/08/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sadly this really is going to lead to more deaths.

I wish I would've back stocked on it.....kinda....but having kilos of a schedule 1 substance doesn't sound like a good plan.


I can't wait to hear the "10 kilos of heroin like substance found worth a street value of 3 million in 22 year olds apartment" bullshit news articles


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Re: Kratom March [Re: Atreyu]
    #23625970 - 09/08/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Atreyu said:
Forgive me for asking but is it still possible to get kratom legally?

I take it most vendors don't have a card purchase option now.

Shame.



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Re: Kratom March [Re: impatientguy] * 1
    #23643894 - 09/14/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Kratom March [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23643905 - 09/14/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratoms under attack, what we gonna do?
STAND UP FIGHT BACK!



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Re: Kratom March [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23647409 - 09/15/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you know they say. If they outlaw kratom, then only outlaws will have kratom


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Re: Kratom March [Re: Ogla]
    #23647411 - 09/15/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, not the best situation for someone on felony probation


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