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nooneman


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impatientguy said: Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
Even if this is true, I refuse to believe it.
Now I support kratom, and I would quietly support you guys marching from behind my computer monitor in the comfort of my own home, and I do think it's something of a miracle drug for opiate addicts, but Vandago has a point. Comparing kratom with mushrooms is crazy, they're not even on the same level, and yet we all sit around here with our thumbs up our asses doing absolutely nothing to advance the legalization of mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
There is something fundamentally fucked up about our complacency on these fronts. Being non-complacent about something else definitely highlights how fucked up it is that we're all just sitting around not doing anything to support mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
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impatientguy
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Re: Kratom March [Re: nooneman]
#23608545 - 09/03/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree.
And the only reason i think kratom helps more people is because a lot more people take it than people taking mushrooms.
They definitely both have their own uses though
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Mr. Magic


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Re: Kratom March [Re: nooneman]
#23608587 - 09/03/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@vandago and nooneman Sorry to be a dick but what i see is a couple guys complaining over the internet. Go out and gather up people for a mushroom march then!!
Let us all know how that goes.
The point is clear, kratom could potentially be saved, so people want to march which is awesome. Mushrooms/lsd on the other hand, not any time soon. That will take a lot of marching. Lol
Were just putting up a small fight against kratom becoming illegal like mushrooms are. After this its over man, or else mushrooms/lsd/weed would be legal by now.
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Ogla]
#23608904 - 09/03/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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losfreddy said: schedule 1 is a bit extreme
Schedule anything is a bit extreme.
Lol who picked a fucking Tuesday for a march? I mean, there's probably a reason for it, but goddamn that makes it hard for the 9-5er who doesn't live in DC.
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Eminence



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Re: Kratom March [Re: Society]
#23608947 - 09/03/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Society, remember me (frylock)? If you still live in Richmond and have a chance to make it we should meet up there, I got a couple friends who are interested but none of us are sure about it yet.
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musiclover420
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Re: Kratom March [Re: nooneman]
#23609049 - 09/03/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nooneman said:
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impatientguy said: Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
Even if this is true, I refuse to believe it.
Now I support kratom, and I would quietly support you guys marching from behind my computer monitor in the comfort of my own home, and I do think it's something of a miracle drug for opiate addicts, but Vandago has a point. Comparing kratom with mushrooms is crazy, they're not even on the same level, and yet we all sit around here with our thumbs up our asses doing absolutely nothing to advance the legalization of mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
There is something fundamentally fucked up about our complacency on these fronts. Being non-complacent about something else definitely highlights how fucked up it is that we're all just sitting around not doing anything to support mushrooms, LSD, or mescaline.
Psychedelics are not for everyone though... Where as everyone deals with pain, some people to the point they need pain meds...
I don't get what is so hard to understand about this. People abusing kratom as an opiate probably don't give a shit and would rather go back to shooting heroin...
This is going to effect the thousands if not millions of people using it medicinally to deal with thier chronic pain...
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I believe you have the right to ingest anything you want. The obvious drugs of major concern no (fent, heroin, etc) I've only seen those do insane damage to people. You can't even overdose on kratom. I was a fucking vicodin fiend and used kratom to quit. I finally felt that feeling where you don't think about picking up. I also know plenty of people who did the same thing except with way more crazier addictions like oxys. I find it ridiculous to claim Kratom is dangerous. lol. Taking too much just makes you never want to take too much again~~!
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tripp23
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Gorlax]
#23610832 - 09/04/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A message for the Dallas/Fort Worth area!
https://m.facebook.com/groups/573649889473526
Aaaannnnddddd.. Washington State!
https://m.facebook.com/savekratomwastate/?ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity
STOP THE DEA
VERY IMPORTANT PLEASE READ AND SHARE : We have spoken with many people who have been advised by lawyers that the most effective way to combat this is by having each individual who has a care for this cause to contact your congressman and explain the action going on and the benefits you have had with Kratom, how much the take away of this herb would affect your life, never the less make everyday people felons at months end. What we are trying to accomplish is anyone in State legislation, (congress) do what is called a “demand Letter” to the DEA on this issue. Congressional action is needed to show the lies and false science issued about this plant in order to protect big pharmaceutical company. It is important to call in a polite manner and just share your story in a positive way. #KRATOMSAVESLIVES #SAVEKRATOM #KRATOMMARCHDC
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These are the people responsible for signing off the Emergency Kratom ban.
Email asap when possible!
Correspondence to the department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:
U.S. Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW Washington DC 20530-0001
The department may be contacted by phone at the following:
Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555 Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000
Peter J Kadzik Assistant Attorney General Contact Office of Legislation Affairs: 202-514-2141
Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison: 202-514-3465
Michael J Lewis, Office of Diversion, Drug Enforcement Administration Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia, 22152 Telephone: 202-598-6812
Also please contact the assistant secretary of HHS Karen B Desalvo, MD, MPH, MSc
Acting Assistant Secretary for Health:
Email Address: ASH@hhs.gov
Telephone: 202-690-7694
Jim Esquea
Assistant Secretary for Legislation (ASL)
Telephone: 202-690-7627
Kevin Griffis
Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs (ASPA)
Telephone: 202-690-7850
Colleen Barros
Acting Assistant Secretary for Administration (ASA)
HHS Office of the Secretary
Email Address: asaio@hhs.gov
Telephone: 202-690-7431
**Be sure to sign and share the petition in my sig!!
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Celestial Traveler
Random Observer


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Re: Kratom March [Re: tripp23]
#23610840 - 09/04/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does the WH need to sign the ban for it to take effect? I thought the DEA could just schedule substances on a whim by itself.
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vandago



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impatientguy said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
No doubt there's going to be more support for that then mushrooms.
Not everybody who takes Kratom is a dope fiend. I haven't ever done heroin or meth but I love kratom.
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vandago



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Celestial Traveler said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
My point is that I think people are more willing to march for Kratom because it is not already illegal. Preventing prohibition of mushrooms is a lost cause. I think people have the attitude that it's easier to prevent something from becoming illegal that's not already illegal than it is to legalize something that's already been illegal for 40+ years.
It's this exact way of thinking that is causing no change what so ever to occur.
Marijuana was/is illegal, and a lot more people are doing something about that than any other drug. Mushrooms are in the same scheduling federally. There is no logic in your statement.
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Celestial Traveler
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
#23612822 - 09/04/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said:
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Celestial Traveler said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
My point is that I think people are more willing to march for Kratom because it is not already illegal. Preventing prohibition of mushrooms is a lost cause. I think people have the attitude that it's easier to prevent something from becoming illegal that's not already illegal than it is to legalize something that's already been illegal for 40+ years.
It's this exact way of thinking that is causing no change what so ever to occur.
Marijuana was/is illegal, and a lot more people are doing something about that than any other drug. Mushrooms are in the same scheduling federally. There is no logic in your statement.
Are you aware that most of the population probably doesn't even know that psychedelic mushrooms exist? That there is a mushroom you can eat that gets you high?
The reason there is so much support for marijuana legalization is because there is more mass familiarity with it, among other things.
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Mental Taco



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i would love to go anyone from around lake eerie wana give a brother a lift lol ill make it worth it.
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impatientguy
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago]
#23612970 - 09/04/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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vandago said:
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impatientguy said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
No doubt there's going to be more support for that then mushrooms.
Not everybody who takes Kratom is a dope fiend. I haven't ever done heroin or meth but I love kratom.

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Celestial Traveler
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impatientguy said:
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vandago said:
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impatientguy said:
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vandago said: No mushrooms are already illegal, and everyone sits around with their thumb up their ass, but kratom, now that's just crossing the line and we must stand up and save it!
Gimme a break. A bunch of dope addicts marching around a bunch of homeless people and tourists.
Have fun.
Kratom helps more people worldwide than mushrooms do.
No doubt there's going to be more support for that then mushrooms.
Not everybody who takes Kratom is a dope fiend. I haven't ever done heroin or meth but I love kratom.


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vandago



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Mushrooms are amazing for cluster headaches, depression, depersonalizing, so on and so forth. Also used by thousands, if not millions of separate individuals on a yearly basis.
No one's hoping for a mushroom march where they will be handing out free mushrooms.
People just want easy access to drugs. This march isn't going to be people on crutches, or people getting steroid shots. It's going to be a pointless shit show for one individual plant that hardly anyone that doesn't use knows anything about.
There should be a march for the legalization of all drugs on a regular basis, instead of heading to a place that literally won't make a damned difference, and exposing a bunch of junkies bumming shit.
Make sure to leave your empty medicine bottles in a stack when you leave, because that helped too.
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impatientguy
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Re: Kratom March [Re: vandago] 2
#23614248 - 09/05/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So your mad we care more about saving something that we actually have a chance to save
Than something that is a lost cause?
Mushrooms won't be legal for a long time Kratom is legal right now but won't be soon and helps lots and lots of people get off opioids everyday. Why wouldn't we try to stop it.. baby steps man.
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tripp23
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Eminence]
#23614502 - 09/05/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not start an event in your area?? A lot of people are doing that since all can't make the DC event...
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Re: Kratom March [Re: Ogla]
#23614975 - 09/05/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How was this allowed to take place in various states? Oh yes, you have no say and they didn't ask you for your opinion.
We need more people in jail apparently.
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