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Does kratom stand a chance?
    #23604468 - 09/02/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is set to potentially become a schedule 1 controlled substance on September 30th.  I don't know how the DEA could argue that this is a dangerous substance but I imagine they will win and this plant will soon be illegal. 

Do you think kratom has a chance to stay legal?


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: cez]
    #23604476 - 09/02/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nope.  From what I've read, the DEA has already made up its mind.  And when a bureaucratic government entity like that sets something in motion, it's pretty hard to stop.

Land of the free, right?


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23604479 - 09/02/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's funny that they want the research to catch up with the use but a law like this impedes researchers to just that. Ignorance is bliss...


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: globejs]
    #23604482 - 09/02/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a good article for anyone interested:

https://www.statnews.com/2016/08/30/kratom-ban-dea-schedule-1/


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: cez] * 2
    #23604492 - 09/02/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All the cool drugs get scheduled.  If it's natural it's going to be highly restricted.  They cannot allow the people to empower themselves with friendly plant spirits!  Drug free nation, until you're forced to take their meds!


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: cez] * 1
    #23604669 - 09/02/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is what a police state looks like.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23604686 - 09/02/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Nope.  From what I've read, the DEA has already made up its mind.  And when a bureaucratic government entity like that sets something in motion, it's pretty hard to stop.

Land of the free, right?




Is any appeal in favor of kratom that the court would take into consideration?  It's ashame imo. :sad:


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: cez]
    #23604694 - 09/02/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You ever heard of Khat? Kratom's going to join it's friend Khat. The answer is a decisive no.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: cez] * 1
    #23604726 - 09/02/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Is any appeal in favor of kratom that the court would take into consideration?  It's ashame imo. :sad:




I don't know but I doubt it.  It is a shame.  This is going to affect the quality of life of a lot of people.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23605152 - 09/02/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I doubt it stands much of a chance.

Which honestly sucks, it's popular but not really.
Most people are turned off by the amount you have to take.
But personally, I love Kratom for those days when I just can't seem to get out of bed.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: hTx]
    #23605162 - 09/02/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can see the court proceedings now..
"Is it dangerous?"

"Well, no not really."

" uh, does it get you high?"

"Sort of."

"Ermagerd make it illegal!"


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23605643 - 09/02/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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This is going to affect the quality of life of a lot of people.





Yes, my quality of life is about to hit rock bottom for a bit.

I was on opiates, heroin mostly, for over a decade of my life, got clean and was sober for several years after that but couldn't deal with the anxiety/depression I was going through.  The depression/anxiety was not brought on my lack of opiates, or PAWS or whatever, I had been that way since before I ever got into using any substances, so it's just a part of who I am.  I had tried benzos, but since I like to be active (run/bike/hike), they interfered with my endurance so are not good for me.

Anyway, I found kratom after several years of trying sobriety, it has really helped me out in a huge way, so this sucks.

I don't think something like kratom stands a chance though, it's almost like since pot is being accepted more and more these days, that they have to find something else to attack.

I wouldn't mind if they put an age one had to be to purchase it, that would be great, maybe 21+ can buy it, but yeah this sucks.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: Lucis]
    #23605656 - 09/02/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It would stand a chance if there were an organized entity who pushed strongly for it to remain legal. Just like marijuana has a chance to be legalized because of that. A few organized individuals push for it in the media, lobby for it, etc.

The difference with kratom IMO is the time frame that this is landing in. Seems unlikely that time will allow anyone to build a media storm or lobby.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: cez]
    #23605934 - 09/02/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It looks to me like the DEA is a sock puppet of the big Pharmaceutical companies; I always figured that big pharm had influence, but they've chopped at least one ball off of the DEA with this one. This scheduling completely absurd, without merit, it smells of conspiracy and decay, the DEA has abandoned reason and surrendered to the greed that is big pharm. I read a comment a couple of days ago about this, "next they'll be scheduling chamomile", it was not so far from the truth. Congress should complete the Testectomy of the DEA and limit their powers to printing pamphlets and posters.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: falcon] * 1
    #23605942 - 09/02/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah there are probably billions behind it.  Billion-dollar corporations, that is.

Edit:  Yeah, Kickle, I don't mean a billion-dollar conspiracy. :lol:


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23605946 - 09/02/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

or simply people with billions :wink:


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: Kickle]
    #23605971 - 09/02/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It is confusing, not one bit of this action makes sense, unless it's a ruling to create more funding for the agency, the reasons given have not merit, it seems greed wins. Big Pharm eliminates another option it can't control is the other benefit for those who benefit.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: falcon]
    #23605982 - 09/02/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well you can bet these big pharm companies understand the hell out of kratom, and are pulling the rug out before it really takes off.  The article I read said that it might be a temporary scheduling, but I don't buy that for a second.  The medical industry wants kratom off the market.  I think you're absolutely right.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23606006 - 09/02/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hopefully they'll knock off some analogues and fleece us to use them.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: falcon] * 1
    #23606049 - 09/02/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They can all go straight to hell.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23606061 - 09/02/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

From their warp they can't be far from it.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23606086 - 09/02/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sure invoice will follow in a little bit
Thanks and pleAse reference the links below.

The aka has really organized a serious effort to fight this in congress. Nancy pelosi's son is at the head of the organization. The Botanical Legal Defense and aka have hired two high powered law firms and a congressional lobbyist, which will cost $350k a month. All the vendors are donating money. One has put up 50k$ already. The pharmaceutical industry has plenty of money to burn so this can only be won if. We all unite and contribute. The sanders campaign showed that small donations can add up and make a difference


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: globejs]
    #23608743 - 09/03/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is a true ally for me. I have been dealing with a rare health condition for the last few years and it's one of the few things that helps…

Pills are poison.
This is a plant.

I am no longer allowed to consume a plant. It's just ridiculous.

The scheduling is a joke. The whole thing is a joke.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: Kitch]
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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: Kitch]
    #23618919 - 09/06/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pulling rugs, from under feet. It's bare floors or the Big Pharm rug.



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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: falcon]
    #23621677 - 09/07/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They have been brain washing the public to readily accept that any form of nature that causes a feeling of well being as being bad.  Yes being dependent on something for a well being is not great but it's far worse when it's illegal.

What they are doing is research on chemicals like those in kratom.  They will find their own artificial chems that have sale points.  A bunch of bullshit that doctors eat up and get patients hooked on what nature did not intend for us.

Dependency on a vastly overly expensive medical industry.  Supported by the most oppressive injustice system in the world.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23632300 - 09/10/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Our justice system sucks, but it's not the even close to the most oppressive. You get caught with Krat in Indonesia & they'll kill you.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23632348 - 09/10/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Decent point.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23632395 - 09/10/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They could still kill you in the states.  Lot's of people die during a siege or in prison.

Plus I thought it was kratom extracts and not leaf that got the death penalty.


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Re: Does kratom stand a chance? [Re: cez]
    #23635885 - 09/11/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Kratom is set to potentially become a schedule 1 controlled substance on September 30th.  I don't know how the DEA could argue that this is a dangerous substance but I imagine they will win and this plant will soon be illegal. 

Do you think kratom has a chance to stay legal?




Unfortunately not.

It's not about the danger of the substance.

It about concentration upon tax acquisition from established relations with corporations who manufacture similar products that yield significant amount of money.

Governments will ban vape products soon to ensure that the cigarette, tobacco and expensive 'quit smoking' products cash cow is better maintained, through monopolisation.


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    #23635954 - 09/11/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nope. You don't get it. Kratom possession is a capital offense in Indonesia. It won't be that here. And that's not including all the other countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, North. Korea, etc where the people are held under an iron fist. To try to say out justice system is worse than those countries is asinine. Ours still sucks for sure, and it's a real bone of contention for me, but come on....


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