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Re: Why 100 micrograms? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23609952 - 09/04/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not that all the labs are making the same quality. Because purity of black market LSD does vary. Though there is ton of very high purity LSD out now. Stuff that has been sent to labs & tested >97% pure d-LSD. A year or two ago I saw lab tests for stuff that was 50-60% pure though. What it is, is that  impurities that are found in LSD are inactive. They don't bind to & change the receptors. LSD has side effects, and these side effects vary from trip to trip....even within the same subject & at the same dose. There are myriad factors that play into each trip; set & setting, tolerance, what the people said about the doses, how much & the quality of sleep you've had recently, diet, hydration, stresses, joys, overall health, what bugs your body is fending off, and so many other minute details. They all effect the overall experience. There's a great book called; LSD; Spirituality & the Creative Process that breaks this all down very well. It details a study done in the 50s & 60s....the longest running study on LSD. In this study hundreds of participants were each given 2 micrograms of LSD per kilogram of body weight, and given this dose multiple times. The book lists the entire range of effects, side effects, comments from participants.....and return interviews decades later. Most still found the experience to be profound & inspiring even 40 years later. :smile:

But the book clearly shows the same distribution of the same side effects as you see today. And this study was done with Sandoz LSD. The experiences were different from trip to trip within the same subjects....and they were taking the same dose as well as the same LSD. Each trial was always 2 mics per kilogram of bodyweight. Psychedelics are just so variable; that's the nature of the experience. And it's powerful mind-altering experience; one with profound alteration & intensification of sensory experiences. That's why the experiences vary, and why the myriad factors I mentioned earlier can change the perception of the experience so much. And with black market LSD the dose varies. This has improved recently, and with the lab tests it's more common/easier to actually know the dose. Whereas before it was just word of mouth, and dealers almost always overhype. I've seen doses as low as 20 mics....and 10-15 years ago that was fairly common. Same with 40-50 mic doses. But no one was selling them as that. They were always overhyped. Often as 100 mics. So the doses people were taking varied widely, and was almost always way less then they thought they were taking. That really skewed the perception of LSD & what it really is.


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Re: Why 100 micrograms? [Re: Dark_Star] * 2
    #23609982 - 09/04/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fwiw, my buddy works as an analytical chemist at a nearby lab. I've sent him samples before to run through the mass specs and even the NMR at one point. Two different samples, one WoW unperf, one blotter art that had a taste. Both came out to be 50ug +-10ug. The one on the blotter art had a taste, but the spec reports showed that it was some kind of industrial dye while also simultaneously positive for LSD. i no longer have the chemical formula for the substance that was found in conjunction with lsd, but if i really tried i probably have the spec reports somewhere. Anyway, that hit compared to a quarter hit of the tab i ate, maybe stronger... So given that info, along with the difficulty that he said he had finding the actual weight,  and how similar they were in intensity, i'd really have to say the tabs that i have really are 200~. Back in 14' i also ate a dalai lama blotter, which were coming back with reports of 200+ ug, so they are definitely out there for sure.


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Re: Why 100 micrograms? [Re: 404]
    #23610927 - 09/04/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

so the samples u sent were only a quarter of a blotter hit?

Damn, thats some good lsd!

I agree with dark star, quality of the hit means potency not purity. Purity just means how much is lsd and how much is inactive junk, in a ratio, like 90% acid and 10% junk.


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Re: Why 100 micrograms? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23610954 - 09/04/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

just a little note; a lot of people claim that "quality" of acid matters. And they swear that they have diff experiences on diff tabs. I dropped acid during the day time the other day and had a strong trip. I got little to no visuals. Same tabs a month before hand at night produced huge visual changes and a very diff exp. Also the nightime trip was just ndoors at my buddies house. So ya, I think the diff in tabs "quality" of acid could be explained by set and setting


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Re: Why 100 micrograms? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23611832 - 09/04/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No, the 1/4th tab compared to a hit of what i had tested that was roughly 50ug. Weights are really hard to accurately get from paper though but it can be done.


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