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Electric Wizard21
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Beyond the dream world.
#23600813 - 09/01/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is it? We all dream, most don't remember it. Then there's the next level, the lucid dreams. I am a very advanced lucid dreamer, just by nature I have an ability to do it without effort and any effort amplifies the experience by 100 %. After the lucid dream, there is the 'astral projection', which I am also unfortunately advanced at. It gets fuzzy, very life like and almost alternative reality once the borders of the lucid dream come down. Once the astral level has been complete, I feel like I'm touching onto a whole new level. Where not only am I conscious, but I am so aware that any interactions and conversations I have are easy to remember. It feels like an alternative timeline, or a passage that I might be stuck in. So, what is the level after astral projection/lucid dreaming? Is it another reality?
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Jaegar
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I don't think so. Try be more attentive to what you want to believe and what is.
I have found with honest introspection nothing but exaggerated feelings and desires.
Edited by Jaegar (09/01/16 11:29 AM)
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Nature Boy
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No..just like with psychedelics, lucid dreams and AP are mere "mindscapes," not alternate realities. Based upon your experience, I would have thought you would have realized that by now.
Are you a Dreamviews member? If not, check out: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum.php and sign up. Lots of cool people there.
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Re: Beyond the dream world. [Re: Jaegar]
#23600847 - 09/01/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, my brain is using the dream world to create a very real experience because of emotions?  Lucid dreams are one thing, this has the layout of the real world. Time isn't linear as such, but I am more aware that the experience lasts more than half an hour. I have even checked my phone and seen the time pass on it.
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Re: Beyond the dream world. [Re: Nature Boy]
#23600857 - 09/01/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes i do realize it as a mindscape. But there has to be a point, the one I am reaching. Where the experience becomes so detailed that you are experiencing another world. It's hard to explain. But imagine looking through some binoculars, then seeing a town. Then looking again and it's gone. That's how it feels. The lucidity is the one thing that brings me to that point.
The other explanation, might have something to do with pure god consciousness, or consciousness of the world, coming into view.
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Now you're starting to sound like the people who take large doses of psychedelics and conclude (wrongly) that the experience is objectively real. It isn't.
Lucid dreaming is just an appearance to your mind colored by a lack of external sensory input. Without the presence of external input from the "real world", your mind creates it's own INTERNAL set of visual and auditory sensations and thoughts (a dream world). Lucid dreaming is just a hybrid state of consciousness in which you are AWARE that you are dreaming. Consequently you find yourself in what APPEARS to be an alternate reality (in a sense, it is) but is really ONLY a creation of your mind based (largely) on your waking life. Hence, the presence of trees, grass, buildings, and dream characters (however warped and altered) which populate this mindscape.
Don't go all "fringe" on yourself looking for an explanation other that that...'cause that's all there is, and there ain't no more!
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Re: Beyond the dream world. [Re: Nature Boy]
#23600928 - 09/01/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's pretty incredible the experiences. I am just thinking too hard about it. It's also amazing how my mind creates things I have no memory of.
I will wait for another answer before closing the thread.
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Nature Boy . . .
That's all just your opinion, based on your experience . . .
There is no objective world, we are all in different worlds, within the same subjectivity.
So how can psychedelics not be "real"? Perhaps nothing is real, nothing is not-real, perhaps we're dealing with a situation that is completely unknown to us.
All you've managed to do with your post(s) is be skeptical.
Not having a go at you, but it's influencing others, and its just your opinion presented as fact.
How do you even know what OP is experiencing?
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Electric Wizard21
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I'm trying to explain something that I have never experienced, and when I do, it feels like a brand new world. 
Have you ever been through this?
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Well, he defined it as lucid dreaming. That's pretty straightforward. Lots and lots of research has been done on the topic. (Ex: LaBerge and others). As I've already mentioned, there is a website dedicated to lucid dreaming and related topics. I've been a member for years, so I think I know a thing or two.
The "opinions" you attribute to me are actually the results expressed by legitimate researchers gleaned from numerous books, journal articles, the experts you will find at Dreamviews, and to a lesser extent, my own experience. The information I provided doesn't get any more reliable than that which I provided. If you take some time to read up on the topic I think you will find it was very accurately restated by me.
Attaining the hybrid state of consciousness known colloquially as lucid dreaming is actually a skill one can learn to cultivate. That is the purpose of Dreamviews. You might want to nip on over there and peruse the site. Lots of great info from true masters of the craft...so you DON'T have to take my word for it. See for yourself! 
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