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Enlightenment..
    #23599385 - 08/31/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Intuition and emotion precede thought
Awareness facilities the capacity to shape those feelings with thought.

Does enlightenment mean you’ve reached an efficient analytical state…
That allows one to shape their emotions as they see fit?


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: TameMe]
    #23600005 - 09/01/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Personally I don't think enlightenment would even involve emotions. Women function with their emotions at the forefront of everything. Men don't, though they still use them. Today the world seems intent on destroying emotions and making it unacceptable to express them either in public or in private. And as such are labelled with so called mental health problems.
Emotions would be removed and the enlightenment would make the individual all knowing. Since they are aware consciously of everything.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: TameMe]
    #23600125 - 09/01/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Intuition and emotion precede thought




these are all different forms of  mental activity
such as that which occurs from sensation or memory.

you could say that sensation precedes memory
but otherwise all mental forms are really the same stuff.

even the labels are thought forms. so much of this pursuit is smoke


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: TameMe]
    #23603523 - 09/02/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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TameMe said:
Intuition and emotion precede thought
Awareness facilities the capacity to shape those feelings with thought.

Does enlightenment mean you’ve reached an efficient analytical state…
That allows one to shape their emotions as they see fit?



Thats just one enlightenment.

metaprogramming.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: hTx]
    #23603555 - 09/02/16 02:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Enlightenment seems to me to be primarily strengthening executive function in order to hold the mind still, through meditation, which is just practice.

Bliss, joy, love, hope, strength, happiness ... vitality ... power.

These things are all attained through holding the mind still effortlessly.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23603610 - 09/02/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

maybe it's perspective and a well centered attitude among  the changing mind-forms


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23603740 - 09/02/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that a still mind is identical with enlightenment, nor do I necessarily think it's even possible to keep the mind perfectly still... (depending on what you mean by 'still').

My best understanding of enlightenment is that which is common to multiple different spiritual ideologies. It doesn't matter whether you call it enlightenment, cessation, non-dual awareness, egolessness etc. Enlightenment is simply a kind of awareness. With most spiritual practices your awareness grows, and grows, and grows. Awareness growing, is synonymous to consciousness growing. To say that one is aware of more is to say that one is conscious of more. Enlightenment is a state where you are aware of that which is deepest and, arguably, most difficult to glimpse: That there is no boundary between that which you were previously calling "I" or "me" and the world. Your consciousness grows so wide that it 'becomes' the world, so to speak.

I don't know whether it's possible to reach this state and maintain it permanently, but I, as a good number of people on this forum I'm sure, have at least experienced moments of it.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: secondorder]
    #23603914 - 09/02/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All states are impermanent, including the state of accepting all states. The state of resistance is impermanent too but also inevitable, like clockwork. No such thing as enlightenment.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: TameMe]
    #23604071 - 09/02/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Keywords in that terminology are satori, the sudden flash of insight which brings on Awakening or Enlightenment; the state of muga, which occurs when the split between the acting self and the self-observing self disappears, and the act becomes effortless, automatic, entranced -- so that the painter or swordsman no longer feels that he is wielding the brush or making the thrust, but that a mysterious 'It' has taken charge. Lastly, a man who has completed his training and reached final Enlightenment, will continue to live zestfully and apparently unchanged, but he will 'live as one already dead' -- that is, detached and indifferent to success or failure."  --Arthur Koestler


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: secondorder]
    #23604344 - 09/02/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think that a still mind is identical with enlightenment, nor do I necessarily think it's even possible to keep the mind perfectly still...
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I don't know whether it's possible to reach this state and maintain it permanently, but I, as a good number of people on this forum I'm sure, have at least experienced moments of it.




You are on the button here, however, an attitude can be cultivated or practiced, in which change is freshly accommodated with bare attention, and perspective upon mind is maintained.

it is a meditation upon mind itself that is open to the world and all beings.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23604623 - 09/02/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What about ordinary awareness? It's already there, already been there. It might be enlightenment.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23604980 - 09/02/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yes, naturally, what is the question?


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23605120 - 09/02/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Who is the master who makes the grass green?


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: hTx]
    #23605265 - 09/02/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I guess it's how you use that question then.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: TameMe]
    #23605660 - 09/02/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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TameMe said:
Intuition and emotion precede thought
Awareness facilities the capacity to shape those feelings with thought.

Does enlightenment mean you’ve reached an efficient analytical state…
That allows one to shape their emotions as they see fit?




if  "I" was "enlightened" I might answer your question differently,

however...

as enlightenment refers to liberation FROM a self and not OF a self

the assumption indicated by the phrase "their emotions" shows the assumptions of the question itself, to already be in error

hence to answer it would be to perpetuate the error


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23605678 - 09/02/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I guess it's how you use that question then.




:lol:

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    #23605984 - 09/02/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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TameMe said:
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Does enlightenment mean you’ve reached an efficient analytical state…
That allows one to shape their emotions as they see fit?



analytically emotions or body feelings can be practiced and associated with conditions, or triggers (if that is what you want to work on)

this means one does not actually shape emotions in real time, but one can modify their emotional behavior, for when the triggering events might arise (is that enlightened? to work for possible challenges? or maybe more enlightened just using the facts of associative behavior which is an enlightened thing to know about).

But if your goal is to be a consummate actor, and some great ones are quite enlightened, then yes you can emote at will, having practiced each mask.

Emotion in the scheme of things is a side effect of ones reactions to events (reactions with feelings) -- it is best to resolve your priorities. i.e. what to seek, what to fix, how to act, etc. but if you look at how mind works associatively to help guide your process, then I think you are on the path.


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Re: Enlightenment.. [Re: TameMe]
    #23606747 - 09/03/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Enlightenment is complete objectivity without desires.

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TameMe said:
Does enlightenment mean you’ve reached an efficient analytical state…
That allows one to shape their emotions as they see fit?




If that's true then a completely enlightened being is artificial intelligence.


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