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    #23598956 - 08/31/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm in the middle of making tubs and cleaning, the tubs on the floor will have a stand ... so I just put in the humidifier I have been having moisture issues the only air that's blown is from my AC there is a vent on the floor and above the door besides dialing in and field capacity is there anything I should/can do to help with my grows ?


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23599130 - 08/31/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im desert bound soon. Im interested to see what people say.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
    #23599148 - 08/31/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well you might have better luck being doing this hobby so long I'm still finding my poly adjustment I'm definitely getting better each grow ..  and a couple dudes have gave me a few tips like more water or better poly ... hopefully someone elaborates for us huh junkie ??


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23599155 - 08/31/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I do primarily invitro with bags these days. Im hoping that I can just keep on keeping on with that method.

And I like WJ over junkie, :wink:


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599172 - 08/31/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Haha my apologies WJ I tried an invitro bag with treasure coast and didn't have any luck but that was only a couple months into doing this so I wouldn't say I couldn't make it happen I've been working on clones and these next grows I'll try out doing prints ... do you case the bags ?


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23599214 - 08/31/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No casing. I do a jar of spawn to two of oven treated CVG in a .5ug large bag.



Hopefully that patch will retain the moisture in the drier climate.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599239 - 08/31/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I do primarily invitro with bags these days. Im hoping that I can just keep on keeping on with that method.

And I like WJ over junkie, :wink:



Hey WJ, also curious as to this; what's Cvg?  Bags would make for easy experimenting and comparison.  Sounds like a superior method than monos, particularly in dry environments, though everything has its place.  Those look great!


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23599245 - 08/31/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

CVG = Coir/Verm/Gypsum

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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599254 - 08/31/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty nice man what's the average about an onion in a half? When I was two years into my sentence I hit the Yuma prison it was so humid the walls would literally sweat it was nice for the skin LMAO where I am we have maybe 10% but mostly 0%.. no worries I don't mind it's a place to learn you know


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23599276 - 08/31/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah about that. With decent genes, I can get 3+ dry out of the bag over its lifespan pretty easy. One of the benefits is that I can flush it until it turns green and not have to worry about ruining my grow area. Usually I only let them go to 3 flushes though.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599289 - 08/31/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Damn that's good my best first flush mono was only 52 dry grams obviously still tweaking my tek but 3 for a bag is dope so the only fae ge is from the filter ?


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23599312 - 08/31/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For the first flush, yes. Then I open it up for harvest, and close it back up by rolling down the top and paper clipping it shut.

Between flushes, Ill put a splash of water in the bottom too.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599322 - 08/31/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Right on that's cool.. bags take a bit of getting used to


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599339 - 08/31/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No casing. I do a jar of spawn to two of oven treated CVG in a .5ug large bag.






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Haven't tried bags, but I'm definitely considering it now, great work!


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599422 - 08/31/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

hey WJ !  long time, no habla

hey noob47 !

Where WJ and I are, the humidity is 50 - 100%, typical is 70%.  so you max out airflow.

I have grown in the Rocky Mountain West where in the winters the freezing outside air brings down humidity: 0 - 10%.  cold and dry

build a little enclosure (green house?) warm it and humidify it and move air through it ... bam!


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #23599439 - 08/31/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well it's hot here in the summers 100+ I have my AC at 74 and winter will be better so generally speaking using a humidifier and/or green house I would keep everything else the same?


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #23599443 - 08/31/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Uncle Rico! It has been a long time. Ive recently moved though! Will be Desert Bound here shortly. And already kicking myself for the change. Never should have left....


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23599791 - 09/01/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)


too bad MAN

75 degrees F.  70% humidity.  near constant breeze.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #23599798 - 09/01/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You suck haha jk that's a beautiful site ya I'm stuck in hell haha I'm hoping I see a difference in yields with my humidifier I'm looking into a house with a basement so I can have a better control on my environment


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #23602461 - 09/01/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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too bad MAN

75 degrees F.  70% humidity.  near constant breeze.




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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23602983 - 09/01/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My advice, coming from a 10% rh desert guy.. Don't worry about room humidity. Also don't worry about condensation as well to show how good your poly is or isn't. I don't even have my top holes stuffed on tubs. Just means I gotta mist more often, if you see me around on fruiting convos, you'll see me saying how much more important fae is over humidity



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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23603024 - 09/01/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK that makes sense I mist daily but still seem to be having shitty pinsets  I know it's MS but I should be getting more fruits leaf was saying they look healthy and I might be having moisture issues I don't run a fan but maybe I'm not misting enough ... but when I mist it doesn't ever seem to bead I'm just trying to get whatever it is I'm doing wrong


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47] * 1
    #23603087 - 09/01/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes those are too dry. That seems like a substrate prep problem, as well as a misting problem. Substrates should be able to have enough moisture for multiple flushes. This is what it should look like. Always use a flashlight in the beginning when trying to figure out surface hydration.

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How it shouldn't look: (finding the Goldilocks zone)

These are slightly on the dry side. They need to be MISTED DIRECTLY very briefly. Like a couple passes, a foot or 2 high.


These are too wet, and going bacterial. Notice the pools of water and thick rubbery mycelium? They need to be cut back on misting for a bit until at a reasonable surface hydration, and increased FAE.



How it should look. Beads of moisture and/or glistening:

Always use a flashlight to look for glistening!

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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23603104 - 09/01/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just upped my water content by a half quart I was only using 4 quarts on a hpoo/coir sub


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23603152 - 09/01/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My edit is fucking up on my phone but on those two tubs of pe the surface looked like that with nice beads of water I had a shit ton of pins then I couldn't mist enough but then it seemed like too much so I stopped but other tubs rarely get those beads


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    #23603180 - 09/01/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



This was taken right after misting. Sometimes you gotta mist to bead. Also for PE, you really should be using a casing. Not sure if you are. Peat based casings FTW for PE. It doesn't colonize it like a regular substrate.

Also for epic pinsets, bottom watering is great. Basically just pour a qt or so of water down the side of the tub and replace it every morning


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23603195 - 09/01/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya I just bought jiffy mix made a mistake on buying a type that we shouldn't use for that those tubs ... wouldn't that waterlog the sub leaving a qt in all day ? I don't mean to be asking a shit ton of questions sorry man


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    #23603213 - 09/01/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nah I don't mind. It won't waterlog if there's a big pinset that needs that water. Bottom watering is only good with big pinsets that the substrate alone couldn't handle. It's the kinda pinsets that turn into a ton of aborts.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23603243 - 09/01/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh OK so after it starts pinning, I get it ... I currently have 13 new tubs that I'm hoping for better results which is why I'm trying to get as much info while they are colonizing... so the humidifier can go ? So should I run with no poly on top and just mist more?


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23603294 - 09/02/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh OK so after it starts pinning, I get it ... I currently have 13 new tubs that I'm hoping for better results which is why I'm trying to get as much info while they are colonizing... so the humidifier can go ? So should I run with no poly on top and just mist more?




I would say if you can open up ALL holes and keep the substrate glistening at all times than your mushrooms will love you.

It's all about the time you can afford and what your substrate needs IMO...

A moist substrate with loose top holes is what I'm always after!
(That's what she said!)

I also live in a dry climate. Real dry...

My top holes still have poly-but are almost non-existent- and my bottom holes are a lot more loose than most I've seen. My sub stays glistening and I stay happy!


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    #23603297 - 09/02/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You should do what you're comfortable with. I would be aiming more for keeping them as maintenance free as possible for now. So don't unstuff the top holes, but ditch the humidifier. I was just pointing out that humidity isn't as needed as most people seem to think, just good eyes that can keep the substrate happy


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23603306 - 09/02/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And I like WJ over junkie, :wink:



hey man, quick question. I was doing invitro bags a few years back, but the guy I was ordering from isn't around anymore. What type of method are you using with your bags, if you don't mind me asking. Are you preparing them yourself?


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    #23603315 - 09/02/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I do primarily invitro with bags these days. Im hoping that I can just keep on keeping on with that method.

And I like WJ over junkie, :wink:



hey man, quick question. I was doing invitro bags a few years back, but the guy I was ordering from isn't around anymore. What type of method are you using with your bags, if you don't mind me asking. Are you preparing them yourself?




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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: user265896]
    #23603347 - 09/02/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya Morty I usually keep my top poly super lose also I've been tweaking it a bit to see how it works best for me I basically have all day with my tubs so keeping them open wouldn't be an issue but I'd like to get the poly right haha .... mad I will try and just get better at keeping the beads going but I will keep a little light to shine I always went off what was shining through the tubs I will try out the bottom watering for the fat pinsets thanks guys


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I do primarily invitro with bags these days. Im hoping that I can just keep on keeping on with that method.

And I like WJ over junkie, :wink:



hey man, quick question. I was doing invitro bags a few years back, but the guy I was ordering from isn't around anymore. What type of method are you using with your bags, if you don't mind me asking. Are you preparing them yourself?




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    #23603568 - 09/02/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

SORRY TO THREAD-JACK! :smile: the really ironic thing is I just realized the guy I used to order in-vitro bags from has been posting in this thread. I don't even know what to think now, I give up!


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    #23603574 - 09/02/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23604033 - 09/02/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No casing. I do a jar of spawn to two of oven treated CVG in a .5ug large bag.



Hopefully that patch will retain the moisture in the drier climate.



Hey WJ, sorry if you covered this, but what about FAE...do you punch a couple holes in the bag or is it that once they pop invitro they don't really need that much FAE as they're busting to go?


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    #23604063 - 09/02/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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SORRY TO THREAD-JACK! :smile: the really ironic thing is I just realized the guy I used to order in-vitro bags from has been posting in this thread. I don't even know what to think now, I give up!



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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23604082 - 09/02/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Are you serious?! Wow that's a trip lol. Sorry to hear about RR's wife though, hopefully he's doing well these days. Do you know where can I get more info about in-vitro bags? I don't want to make my own, that's the thing.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: user265896]
    #23604098 - 09/02/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Check out the sponsors?

https://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php

I don't grow with bags ATM, I will want to one day tho and I'll def be hitting the sponsors.


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Re: people in desert climates who have great success have any helpful info?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23605968 - 09/02/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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SORRY TO THREAD-JACK! :smile: the really ironic thing is I just realized the guy I used to order in-vitro bags from has been posting in this thread. I don't even know what to think now, I give up!



If you mean me, it wasn't me xD. The mad season was actually ran by RR and his wife. Once she passed away, RR retired from mushrooms, gave away all his crap, and took down the site.




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hey man, quick question. I was doing invitro bags a few years back, but the guy I was ordering from isn't around anymore. What type of method are you using with your bags, if you don't mind me asking. Are you preparing them yourself?




I use .5ug large bags. I get them from a variety of places, usually Out-Grow or Ebay. Sometimes SE Mushrooms has good deals via Ebay. I use slightly over feild capacity CVG, and do a pseudo pasteruization/heat treatment in the oven at 170. Cool and spawn at a 1:2 ratio. No holes needed for FAE. I know that sounds backwards, but they do just fine. After the first flush, I just roll the top down and clip it shut with a paper clip. A splash of water in between flushes helps too.


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