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topdog82
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Why does pickup artistry get so much hatred?
#23598783 - 08/31/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I was fucking around on reddit last night and came across https://www.reddit.com/r/puahate/
Why do both men and women hate on these types of internet subcultures? I just found this reddit. But this sort of attitude is present everywhere. Moreso in the feminist circles
To be honest, I felt at one point that I lacked the sex life I truly wanted. Mainly the quantity. It was not an issue of getting laid. It was an issue of not enough and not enough variety So I did some google searching and scouring through a few reddits and blogs. After about an hour I found a few books I wanted to buy So I didn't really read any overt Pickup books. I read this book https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Man-Corey-Wayne/dp/1411673360 It was about being the type of man that a woman wants and you feel best as As well as this one https://www.amazon.com/Way-Men-Jack-Donovan/dp/0985452307/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472693360&sr=8-1&keywords=the+way+of+men about just about being a man
The truth is, I was a little out of touch with who I was and what it meant to be a "man". To be me. And it worked. I feel I understand women a bit better, and I am more of the man I want to be. I see a lot of dudes reading this crap and calling themselves "alpha" and constantly looking down on others Ironically, calling other men beta and calling yourself alpha is pretty beta . The definition of self-validation But what IS true is lifting weights, eating better, playing less videogames, dressing better and taking care of yourself will increase your statistical likelihood of getting laid. and more importantly, women enjoy men who do those sort of thingsThe truth is, there are a lot of dudes memorizing lame lines and trying them on women and bragging a fuck ton on the net when they score. But those types of men will rarely ever be able to successfully hold down a marriage with those kinds of lines.
But its not like this subculture is about borderline raping women. If anything, based on the books I have read, its about respecting a woman and not being creepy, and giving her a fun time So ladies of shroomery, why the hate?
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Re: Why does pickup artistry get so much hatred? [Re: topdog82]
#23598807 - 08/31/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's cheap and low quality Like the kinds of people who frequent bars "to hook up"
Emotional depth of a sandbar that lot
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Re: Why does pickup artistry get so much hatred? [Re: topdog82] 2
#23598818 - 08/31/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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because it's an inauthentic try-hard kinda deal like 99.999% of the time. Self improvement is one thing. That's good shit, but I think PUA tends to draw a specific type of person, namely someone is doesn't necessarily have great social skills and is already 'down on their luck' in terms of the opposite sex - not saying that's true for everyone who gets into it, but it appeals to that type of person for a reason. Give someone with terrible social skills some kind of social script(not just words, but behavior too) and most of them will fail miserably at it with women because they try to be someone they're not when really we just want men to be themselves - bear in mind self improvement is not about becoming someone else or faking it, but simply being the best you that you can be.
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Re: Why does pickup artistry get so much hatred? [Re: ModestMouse]
#23598837 - 08/31/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you are telling me you don't want to have sex with beautiful women? As long as its mutually consensual and the girl is not intoxicated, I see no issues
Both men and women want to have sex with good looking quality members of the opposite sex. Its in our biology. Same way I dont hate on prostitution
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Re: Why does pickup artistry get so much hatred? [Re: pirate-blues]
#23598840 - 08/31/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: because it's an inauthentic try-hard kinda deal like 99.999% of the time. Self improvement is one thing. That's good shit, but I think PUA tends to draw a specific type of person, namely someone is doesn't necessarily have great social skills and is already 'down on their luck' in terms of the opposite sex - not saying that's true for everyone who gets into it, but it appeals to that type of person for a reason. Give someone with terrible social skills some kind of social script(not just words, but behavior too) and most of them will fail miserably at it with women because they try to be someone they're not when really we just want men to be themselves - bear in mind self improvement is not about becoming someone else or faking it, but simply being the best you that you can be.
Ok I sort of get it when you put it that way. I may even agree with that to an extent. I guess a fine balance of self-improvement and improving "game" could be met that would make everyone happy
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Re: Why does pickup artistry get so much hatred? [Re: topdog82] 2
#23598860 - 08/31/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to have sex with beautiful women without fishing for them like a desperate salty sailor.
I prefer going somewhere with the intent of having a good time and letting the sex fall in place. I've never had trouble before.
Conversely, I've seen many pick up artists do ok with women, but also have nights of complete embarrassment because (as PB said) they didn't have social skills to back up what they were trying to do.
It's low effort sex fishing. You'll often catch crabs, and sometimes you'll get the boot.
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