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Deadmaker
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Re: 4-aco-dmt [Re: Meownap]
#23601816 - 09/01/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I took it for the first time this past weekend. I am guessing that I took 10-15 mg. I do not have a scale and I made sure that I erred on the side of caution. It was very similar to mushrooms. I think that I would be able to tell the difference in a blind test, but mostly because of the lack of nausea on 4-aco (there was only a very brief amount for me). Also, did not experience anywhere near the amount of gas that mushrooms give me. Also, the visuals were a little different. I experienced the floor pulsating which is something that I have never gotten from mushrooms. It only took about 10 minutes before I started feeling the effects and only about 20 before it really started kicking in. I would say that for me the 10-15 mg that I took seemed like 2.5-3 grams of mushrooms.
I'm definitely looking forward to trying again soon because I let my anxiety over not knowing exactly how much I took keep me from getting the most out of the first 2 hours of the trip, but before I do that I am either gonna give ALD-52 or 4-HO-MIPT a shot this weekend. I have both, but haven't decided which to try yet.
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mctaveesh
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killme said: I would say that for me the 10-15 mg that I took seemed like 2.5-3 grams of mushrooms.
Yeah. People give different MG of 4-Aco-DMT -> G of Mushroom ratios
So I guess OP should be safe with his doses first. Mine could be not very good quality. I haven't taken actual mushrooms in a while as well so I might just be off.
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mctaveesh said: Yeah. People give different MG of 4-Aco-DMT -> G of Mushroom ratios
Hmm yea on Psychonautwiki it says 5 to 10mg is only about a threshold dose so I would find it hard to believe that it's equal in strength to 2 let alone 3 grams of mushrooms.
It labels 5 to 10mg of 4-AcO-DMT as being a threshold to light dose and it labels 1 gram of mushrooms as being a light to moderate dose with 3 grams being a moderate to strong dose.
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I've heard that dosage response in regards to 4-aco-dmt can be all over the place...
...some folks seem to be really sensitive to it, with others it takes a relatively hefty bit to get things going. That might be where all the different dosage comparisons to mushrooms comes from.
I can't recall where, or from who, I've heard this, so I suppose it's just anecdotal....but I have a memory in my mind about 4-aco having quite a variable dosage response curve from individual to individual.
Only logical explanation I can think of is enzymes levels being a bit different from person to person.
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That's interesting. Enzyme levels being different from person to person? I know nothing about that at all but it is really interesting how people can have such different reactions. Different individuals' reactions to chemicals is something I've always wanted to learn more about.
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i also plan on getting a gram of this with my bitcoin. Just waiting on another order to come through first hehe.
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It's pure psilocin. It's not JUST like shrooms. In my opinion it's easily distinguishable, for one you can't find pure psilocin in nature, this is the closest form of pure oral DMT you can get, it's acelayted N,N Dimethyltryptamine and its effects are much more deep and visionary, it also works a lot faster. Durations are generally the same, but with aco expect it to be purely intense and spiritually transforming, there really is no come up or come down/waves like mushrooms, it's up, up fast and straight to the point then it's gone. It's like a 4-6 hour mushroom peak. Pure. Oral. DMT. 
Psilocybin has to first convert through your liver to turn into psilocin, it's like taking a purely extracted psilocin.
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Well there's no actual evidence to show that it actually converts into psilocin but I wouldn't say it's unlikely. I'd say 4-AcO-DMT is wayyy more likely to be a prodrug than 1P-LSD is.
However mushrooms don't just have psilocin they have other active ingredients as well so even if it really is a prodrug it will never be the same as actual mushrooms. I'm not sure about the come up and the come down but people still report enhancement and suppression cycles with 4-Aco like with shrooms and in terms of visions that's really debatable. People do often report 4-aco as being more geometric though.
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mctaveesh
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That's interesting.
To be honest my 4-Aco-DMT trips have been my most deep and profound experiences. Even deeper and more visionary as you say than mushrooms.
I always assumed it was because I've taken stronger doses of 4-Aco-DMT than mushrooms but even at relatively equal strength amounts 4-Aco-DMT was always more transformative for me.
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Re: 4-aco-dmt [Re: Meownap]
#23604563 - 09/02/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's one of the best RCs there are. It's probably in the top 10 psychedelics of all time.
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This is my second favorite drug of all time. So far. I have two trip reports in my sig, I invite you to read them as my experience with this.
I have also taken it a few other times which I have not written about. At 200 mg with 200ugs lsd (with a tolerance) I saw red and blue spore prints all over. I could grab them and take control of them, and throw them at my friend who was also tripping (small amt of 4aco dmt and 300 ugs) he could then grab them and throw them back to me. I also occasionally saw the floor ripple up and pop and iridescent light shine out. We went outside and built a fire and a voice came into my head. When I closed my eyes I saw energy fields of everything I'd see open eyed and they were goldish with rainbows. The fire was huge, even though it apparently really wasn't. The leaves on the trees were very digital and had little faces, and they were very distinct. it looked like the grass was a wavey ocean that swelled with waves as the wind blew it.
Pretty much every time I feel super super empathogenic likes not only can I feel everyones emotions, but I AM everyone so I feel their emotions like they would. I've heard voices on it before a few times. I usually see underwater scenes for a few moments while I'm peaking. It feels very much like dmt but last longer. At 100 mics it feels like high doses of shrooms but more visual in my opinion. Very mindfucking, some rc are just visual but this one gets it.
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Even if it doesn't turn into Psilocin, it's acelayted DMT, so basically a constant stream of N,N DMT in your brain. It's very different than mushrooms, and its dosage curve is much steeper as well. I only say it's deeper and visionary because you can achieve good results from low dosages, I took 7mg once and it was a crazy breakthrough freeing myself of all subconscious baggage, it just goes deeper, like N,N DMT does, take away the waves come up and come down of mushrooms, the easiest way to relate or compare is that it's solely a mushroom peak, that peaks harder than mushrooms can. it's more clear? I guess?
Take a large enough dose and it's just like ingesting oral DMT, that's really the closest comparison.
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From what I've read it sounds amazing. DMT and mushrooms are my preferred psychs, tho they are hard to come by here. There has been talk of 4-aco-dmt in the area soon so pretty excited about that Sounds like exactly what I'm looking for in a psychedelic, but who knows maybe I will hate it.
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If DMT and mushrooms are your preferred Psychs, then you'll love it.
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Decent I will go in to it with an open mind and let whatever happens happen haha. I sometimes get pretty nervous trying new psychs. Never know how you will react and to something so powerful it can get pretty serious real quick haha. Still want to experience pharmahuasca.
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The simple answer is - treat it like mushrooms because it basically is. Same mg dose per mushroom dose. The only difference is how it breaks down into the same active chemical inside the body, leading to minor differences if any. It is also very safe.
It is hardly an rc. Rc's are great and all, but acodmt is better than some weird RC, because it is exactly a mushroom experience.
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fractalsybolism said: The simple answer is - treat it like mushrooms because it basically is. Same mg dose per mushroom dose. The only difference is how it breaks down into the same active chemical inside the body, leading to minor differences if any. It is also very safe.
It is hardly an rc. Rc's are great and all, but acodmt is better than some weird RC, because it is exactly a mushroom experience.
this. I disagree with others. It isn't much like dmt at all I feel. It is similar to the mushroom experience. Slightly off if any. that difference in the experiences could be complete placebo
If the diff is there it is minor if anything at all
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Alright, I ill take that into consideration. I'm sure there will be suttle differences probably alot in the body load/ sensation. When you say it has the same mg dose per mushroom dose do you mean per mg of dried mushroom compared to 4aco? or something like 1 g of mushrooms per 10 mg of 4 aco?
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The way I do mine, from experience after using both many, many times is:
- Every 10mg 4-Aco-DMT = 1G mushrooms
BUT. If you want to be careful, start with less. Because some people use a ratio closer to:
- 10mg 4-Aco-DMT = 1.5G of mushrooms
But it shouldn't be stronger than that. It'll probably be somewhere between 1-1.5G for every 10mg.
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4aco DMT reminds me a bit of psilohuasca, or any -huasca I've tried. I like it cause the peak lasts a while, and its very easy on the gut, 200 mg and I was able to hold it down for 4-5 hours and that was the only time I purged on it (tried it a dozen or so times)
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