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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23598316 - 08/31/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i'm gonna just saying, so i don't have to keep going and going...that you're still not able to comprehend simple things...like you're not speculating narrative...you're speculating speculation. i never said you couldn't speculate. you just can't read.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598404 - 08/31/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol ok buddy. You don't even know what a simple thing is. You always have to pseudo-intellectually attempt to make everything more complicated than it really is.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23598413 - 08/31/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

not at all. you can keep strong that opinion all you'd like, though.

when i was referring to one thing, you considered it another. not what i had said, but something else...that's not my fault.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598448 - 08/31/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
when i was referring to one thing, you considered it another. not what i had said, but something else...that's not my fault.




Bro, that's all you do. Get some self awareness.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23598492 - 08/31/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

not at all. i know what i'm referring to when i post, and if i realize i've been mistaken, maybe someone points it out, or whatever, i'll gladly admit it.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598619 - 08/31/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol ok. You mean like all the times you completely misrepresented what I said and when I called you out you ignored it?

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23598628 - 08/31/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no, i didn't misrepresent what you said. perhaps what you meant, but that, after all, needed clarification, clearly, because some of it was nonsense, which i pointed out. also, said pointing out, you ignored.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598737 - 08/31/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:justno:

I replied to everything you said.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23598754 - 08/31/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, sometimes with nonsense, which was played with and ended up not being able to be worked with, due to it being nonsense. so, essentially, this stuff is chewed up and spit out, as it were.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598766 - 08/31/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:whatever:

So now you're admitting that I didn't in fact ignore what you said. Interesting.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23598781 - 08/31/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you ignored what i said, when you postulated nonsense for a retort, more than once.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23598811 - 08/31/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I replied to what you said, I didn't igore it, however that reply may have been taken by you. I can assure you it wasn't nonsense. I've never once in my life said something that didn't make perfect sense.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23598822 - 08/31/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

thing is, you have. i pointed it out. you ignored the fact that you made no sense, and just continued to roll with it. also, within the last thread, before you made this here. i'm not keeping score or anything. we can start this over again, if you'd like. you can choose where to start off.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23599352 - 08/31/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In the beginning there was a lemon, and it was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the lemon. God said "let there be light", and there was light moving across the face of the lemon. Shit, yeah, you know what, I was wrong. Hollis Frampton is like God and his film is comparable to the creation of the world.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23599375 - 08/31/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no one said you had to like it.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23599411 - 08/31/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:doublefacepalm:

Always talking about like.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23599423 - 08/31/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

who cares? you're not discussing what is good or bad. you're just trying to dissuade me from liking something you thing is bad, whilst having no explanation of why it's bad because  it's just something you don't like. :shrug:

try coming up with a rationale, that's sensible, and explain it to me. if it's sensible, i probably won't question your rationale to try dissuade you, personally. you're allowed your opinion, and i'm sure you can come up with something. just have it make sense please. this is why we're here. because we couldn't really make sense of what was being said.

i explained myself. you explain yourself. why is Lemon "bad"?

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23599456 - 08/31/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude I already explained to you why it's bad. Sorry you couldn't make sense of it, but it was clearly laid out. My posts and points are always clear. I don't obfuscate of pseudo-intellectualize. If you want to see why it's bad, go back and read my other posts.

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who cares? you're not discussing what is good or bad. you're just trying to dissuade me from liking something you thing is bad, whilst having no explanation of why it's bad because  it's just something you don't like. :shrug:




This is straight up nonsense. I never once said whether I liked or disliked the movie. I just said it was bad. It's bad because of the reasons I laid out, not because I supposedly dislike it. I wasn't trying to dissuade you from liking it. I couldn't care less if you like it or not. I was just explaining to you why it is bad and why your rationalizations of it were not evidenced by what is actually on screen in the movie.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23599487 - 08/31/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you laid out no reasoning whatsoever that isn't completely absurd nonsense.

you've only been making judgements on it based on what you define as good artistic quality, saying that it's not 'good' or 'artistic' or hasn't enough 'good artistic qualities'.

that is all pedantry. it bares no rationale except that you don't like it. i've told you what is 'good', 'relevant', 'artistic', and what other qualities it has. you haven't really told me what is 'bad'. just that it has none of the qualities that are, essentially, found in it. so that's kinda your problem, again, not mine. you're having trouble attributing anything to it concerning any sort of artistic "quality" that it has, because you say it has none in 'good quality' -- yet, you cannot point out where these 'bad qualities' are.

you're just basing your outlook on what you can't find in the film, rather than basing your outlook on what is 'bad', in the movie. try the latter, than get back to me about what's 'bad' in the movie.

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Re: Lemon - Hollis Frampton [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23599532 - 08/31/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Unbelievable.

Quote:

you've only been making judgements on it based on what you define as good artistic quality




Uhhh...yeah, no shit. That's kind of what one does when one critiques a movie. Wtf.


Ok, I've got it now. When you talk about things that are supposedly good in the movie, they are actually in the movie. But when I talk about what is bad about the movie, it's just that I dislike it. This is just straight up sophistry dude. Shameful.

I showed you why the things you claim as good qualities are not actually borne out by what is on screen. What else do you call a movie with a complete lack of good qualities other than bad? The bad quality of the movie is that it has absolutely no good qualities. It is lame and pointless. It says nothing of value and has no enduring artistic quality. It's not even technically innovative as you claim. It doesn't show how light can be used to enhance film. Actually great films that use light to enhance what is on screen show that. What amounts to basically nothing more than an experiment does not show that. Many many films prior to 1969 were using light to enhance what is on screen. Frampton filming light moving across a lemon showed exactly no one anything they didn't already know when they first learned basic lighting techniques. Fucking A man.

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