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DEA banning Kratom by the end of September 1
#23598023 - 08/31/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.statnews.com/2016/08/30/kratom-ban-dea-schedule-1/
https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/50ghh2/could_the_dea_ban_on_kratom_funnel_people_in_the/
This has me quite heated. I am a regular user of kratom. There are testimonials all over the internet about kratom's effectiveness at alleviating heroin withdrawal symptoms, and helping addicts maintain a normal life. We are currently experiencing a heroin epidemic, and their solution is to fucking ban kratom, and make it schedule 1, while fentanyl analogous "research chemicals" are schedule 2 substances.
My blood is boiling. This has to stop.
There is a petition to the white house to stop this:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/please-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance
As if any of these fucking assholes give a fuck about the people. I am just about fed up with this country. So many things are said/done, and supported, on the basis of empty bullshit rhetoric and idiocy.
The fact that they can label me a criminal for possessing kratom... I am furious.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23598078 - 08/31/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was always interested in trying to grow my own and try some, I guess there goes my chance.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: aloe] 1
#23598110 - 08/31/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can get a plant from worldseedsupply, I believe. It's not easy to grow though. You need to live in the right climate.
In my mind, this is like making caffein illegal. It's worse than scheduling pot S1. I am just fucking pissed. I used to be a heavy IV drug user. This shit has changed my life. These mother fuckers just want to take and take, destroy lives, and exacerbate criminal activity in this country.
I am fuming. I would love to see the people take these pompous mother fuckers out of their offices, and drag them through the streets. They are the real criminals. This is wrong. The drug war must end.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23598151 - 08/31/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They gotta do something new to justify another budget increase. Too bad it can't be something useful.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23600106 - 09/01/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How safe is it to stock up? I mean, like big time.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Learyfan] 1
#23601106 - 09/01/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will be stocking up for years to come. I love that meme, btw lol.
I wouldn't say it is safe. It would be like having 10lbs of marijuana, when marijuana was illegal (It is legal here). They are going to be throwing people in prison for kratom lol. I hate this fucking country. Felonies for kratom users.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23601436 - 09/01/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is safe to stock up due to the massive influx of large orders from concerned citizens. To my knowledge no one is keeping track of this and the DEA doesn't have the resources to go after everybody. Don't go over a kilo or two and you're probably gold.
DO keep in mind that you are about to be in possession of a trafficking level amount of a schedule I substance. Take pains and at all costs to make sure your medical supply is well disguised:
placed in green tea bags in original box;
"Green tea" honey;
Placed into oregano, thyme, or other spice jars;
ethanol/acetic acid extraction mixed in with innocuous foods and candies (will have significant effects on Kratom's pharmacological profile);
Substituted inside thyme, valerian, st. johns wort, or other large supply herbal supplement pill bottle (would require a capsule machine);
OTC capsules in OTC bottle, such as benadryl (tedious, also requires capsule machine);
Placed inside a Potpourri or Sachet with aromatic herbs;
mixed in high proportions with an herbaceous liquor such as Jaegermeister, bitters, or absinthe;
Extraction mixed with common binding agent and pressed into generic OTC tablets (requires pill press and extraction which will alter the pharmacological profile of Kratom);
Extracted into a light colored cooking oil, then relabeled as a naturally darker oil (i.e. extracting kratom into olive oil then putting it into a sesame oil bottle);
Mixed with coffee grounds and stored in a cool garden shed or garage as "plant food";
Hidden inside innocuous objects.
This will only help if you are searched without the suspicion of kratom already present. Authorities looking for this herb in particular might be alerted to you massive supply of "lipton green tea".
INVESTIGATOR: "What's in these tea bags?"
YOU: "Oh, that? I just REALLY like green tea..."
INVESTIGATOR: "You need 30 economy size boxes?"
YOU: "It was on sale."
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23601501 - 09/01/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I will be stocking up for years to come. I love that meme, btw lol.
I wouldn't say it is safe. It would be like having 10lbs of marijuana, when marijuana was illegal (It is legal here). They are going to be throwing people in prison for kratom lol. I hate this fucking country. Felonies for kratom users.
What's kratom like? Does it intoxicate a person very much? I know people around here talk about using it, what's the appeal?
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: qman]
#23601773 - 09/01/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: What's kratom like? Does it intoxicate a person very much? I know people around here talk about using it, what's the appeal?
It feels pretty good. It's like a small to moderate dose of hydrocodone or a small dose of oxycodone, but with very nice stimulant properties. It's GREAT for work and socializing. A lot of people take it for fatigue and social anxiety.
But the major reason why this is such a big deal right now isn't it's recreational value. Tens of thousands of people are using Kratom daily as a much needed pain medicine (myself), or as a much needed answer to narcotic addiction. That's why this isn't going to be another notch on the DEA's belt. We're dead fucking serious about this shit.
The recreational value is limited for heavy drug users because it's frankly not all that strong, but a lot of people like it. Like coffee with a touch of cocaine and overtones of opium.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Lysergic_Milkman] 1
#23602441 - 09/01/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Back before the DEA went hogwild banning shit I stocked up 15grams of 2-CE, 10 of 2C_P, and 25 of JWH-018 as well as a bunch of other synths. Then after they became illegal, I flushed all the 2C-E and 2C-P one night, I was tripping and paranoid as fucking shit.
The Cannabinoids, well, they got made into mixtures and I smoked all of them with friends. 
I'd say its safe to stock up.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: starfire_xes] 1
#23604026 - 09/02/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kratom helps people addicted to painkillers and heroin kick their habit. It's a better option than methadone or suboxone a lot of the time. You can find testimonials all over the internet. Kratom is also great for anxiety issues, and depression. I take it for an energy boost, almost every day. I take a very small dose, and my dose hasn't changed in years. I haven't needed more and more, like some people say they do. Sometimes I take a break though.
Kratom is kindof like taking a Vicodin, but a little speedier. The plant is more closely related to coffee than to poppies. It is a tree that grows in SouthEast Asia.
You should buy some and give it a try before it is made illegal, qman. Red leaf kratom is more for pain, white leaf is for energy, and green leaf is inbetween.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23604194 - 09/02/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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lets just make masturbation schedule I. sugar and caffeine too. and while we are at it sleep should be schedule II
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: trscstghst] 1
#23604458 - 09/02/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Land of the free, right? Or is that the Netherlands???
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trscstghst said: lets just make masturbation schedule I. sugar and caffeine too. and while we are at it sleep should be schedule II
I don't believe in sleep. Make it schedule I, and legalize meth.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Land of the free, right? Or is that the Netherlands??? 
The 'land of the free' has 25% of the world's prisoners and only 5% of the population. We should call it the 'land of law and order'.
I've decided that from here on out I'm voting Libertarian. Not because I believe in their values, but because I want to see this out of control machine that we have for government dismantled. I may even vote Republican in the future, if the candidate is one who will dismantle government programs.
I firmly believe that government can be a great power for good, but this country is so fucking stupid, it is willing to give up any and all freedoms for little-to-no benefit whatsoever. If people are going to vote like idiots, then I would just rather have a government with very limited power that can't do damage. It must be dismantled. The wealth gap isn't going away via any means of government benevolence or common sense for that matter.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23604616 - 09/02/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23604738 - 09/02/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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trscstghst said: lets just make masturbation schedule I. sugar and caffeine too. and while we are at it sleep should be schedule II
I don't believe in sleep. Make it schedule I, and legalize meth.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Land of the free, right? Or is that the Netherlands??? 
The 'land of the free' has 25% of the world's prisoners and only 5% of the population. We should call it the 'land of law and order'.
I've decided that from here on out I'm voting Libertarian. Not because I believe in their values, but because I want to see this out of control machine that we have for government dismantled. I may even vote Republican in the future, if the candidate is one who will dismantle government programs.
I firmly believe that government can be a great power for good, but this country is so fucking stupid, it is willing to give up any and all freedoms for little-to-no benefit whatsoever. If people are going to vote like idiots, then I would just rather have a government with very limited power that can't do damage. It must be dismantled. The wealth gap isn't going away via any means of government benevolence or common sense for that matter.
Incidentally, the problem with the Libertarian/Conservative argument is that in 2016, in a country of 320 million people, government has to be rather sizable, unfortunately. Think about it, there are over a million federal employees. Most of them are doing necessary, nonpartisan work. Hell, the Republicans relatively recently created the Department of Homeland Security, so you can't rely on them for smaller government. Less government is probably always better, but I think too little government, in this day and age, is probably as irresponsible as too much.
Just my .
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23610369 - 09/04/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't care if it is functional. Our government has way too much power, and it has become addicted (and they call me a 'kratom addict'! lmao!). People like Clinton go around the world murdering people. People like the DEA go around banning benign substances in order to satiate big-pharma's desire for market control. The NSA spies on its own people, etc etc. No knock-raids...
I think to fix our government we must first burn it down. When they are rigging elections, there is no recourse within the system.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23610833 - 09/04/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're right. Any suggestions for a strategy? They have all the best weapons; we are owned in multiple respects.
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23611293 - 09/04/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: You're right. Any suggestions for a strategy? They have all the best weapons; we are owned in multiple respects.
excerpted from Sir Basil Hart's "Strategy, Second Revised Edition"
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Meantime, in the desert to the east and south, a curious campaign was not only helping weaken the fighting strength of Turkey, but shdding some new light on strategy-and, in particular, on the indirect approach. This campaign was the Arab Revolt, with Lawrence as its guiding brain. While it come into the catagory of guerilla warfare, which is by its very nature indirect, its strategy had such a scientifically calculated basis that we should not miss its reflection on normal warfare. Admittedly an extreme form of the indirec t approach, it was most economically effective within the limits of the instrument. The Arabs were both more mobile and less able to bear casualties than orthodox armies. The Turks were almost insusceptable to loss of men, but not to loss of material-of which they suffered a scarcity. Superb in sitting tight in a trench, firing at a directly oncoming target, they were neither adaptable to, nor able to endure the strain of, fluid operations. They were trying to hold down an vast area of country with a quantity of men which was not large enough to spread itself into a network of posts over the area. Also, they depended on a long and frail line of communications. From these premises was evolved a strategy which was the antithesis if orthodox doctrine. whereas normal armies seek to preserve contact, the Arabs sought to avoid it. Whereas normal armies seek to destroy the opposing forces, the Arabs sought purely to destroy material-and to seek it at points where there was no force. But Lawrence's strategy went further/ Instead of trying to drive the enemy away by cutting off their supplies, he aimed to keep them there, by allowing short rations to reach them, so that the longer they stayed the weaker and more depressed they became. Blows might induce them to concentrate, and simplify both their supply ans security problems. Pin-pricks kept them spread out. Yet for all its unconventionality this strategy merely carried to its logical conclusion that of following the line of least resistance. As its author has said: "The Arab army never tried to maintain or improve an advantage, but to move off and strike again somewhere else. It used the smallest force in the quickest time at the farthest place. To continue the action till the enemy had changed his dispositions to resist it, would have been to break the fundamental rule of denying him targets." What was this but the strategy evolved in 1918 on the Western Front? Fundamentally the same, but carried to a further degree. Its application to the problem of normal warfare is condidtioned by factors of time, space, and force. While it is a quickened and active form of blockade it is inherently slower to take effect that a strategy of dislocation. Hence, if national conditions make a quick issue imperative the latter approach is preferable. But unless the end is sought by an indirect approach, the "short-cut" is likely to prove slower, more costly, and more dangerous than the "Lawrence" strategy. Lack of room and density of force are also handicaps, if rarely insuperable. A reasoned verdict is that in normal warfare the choice should fall on the form of indirect approach which aims at a quick decision, by "trapping" the opponent-if there is a good prospect of its success. Otherwise, or after it has failed, the choice should fall on that form of indirect approach which aims at an eventual decision by sapping the opponent's strength and will. Anything is preferable to the direct approach.
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The ratio of space to forces is a key factor in guerrilla war. This was vividly expressed in Lawrence's mathematical calculation about the Arab Revolt- that to hold it in check, the Turks would "have need of a fortified post every four square miles, and a post could not be less than twenty men", so the requirement would be 600,000 men for the area they were trying to control, whereas they had only 100,000 available. "Our success was certain, to be proved by pencil and paper as soon as the proportion of space and number had been learned". Such a calculation, though oversimplified, embodies a general truth. The ratio of space to forces is a basic factor, but the product varies with the type of country and the relative mobility of the two sides, as well as their relative morales.
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"The concentrated essence of Strategy and Tactics" Positive: 1) Adjust your end to your means. In determining your object, clear sight and cool calculation should prevail. It is folly "to bite off more than you can chew" and the beginning of military wisdom is a sense of what is possible
2) Keep your object always in mind, while adapting your plan to circumstances. Realize that there are more ways than one of gaining an object, but take heed that every objective should bear on the object.
3) Choose the line (or course) of least expectation. Try to put yourself in the enemies' shoes.
4) Exploit the line of least resistance-so long as it can lead you to any objective which would contribute to your underlying object. 5) Take a line of operation which offers alternative objectives. For you will thus put your opponent on the horns of a dilemma, which goes far to assure the chance of gaining one objective at least-whichever he guards least-and may enable you to gain one after the other
6) Ensure that both plan and disposistions are flexible-adaptable to circumstances. Your polan should forsee and provide for a next step in case of success or failure, or partial success-which is the most common case i war.
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7) Do not throw your weight into a stroke whilst your opponent is on guard
8) Do not renew an attack along the same line (or in the same form) after it has once failed. A mere reinforcement of weight is not sufficient change, for it is probable that the enemy also will have strengthened himself in the interval.
Yeah, i just typed that shit out manually because i could find a good source to copy-paste from. so what?
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Re: DEA banning Kratom by the end of September [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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the subject to their reasoning of the ban is just a cover up to something bigger. as we all know big money runs america. there isn't anything bigger than the Pharmaceutical companies when it comes to which drugs are okay and which arent. anything that humans can get from nature will for sure be ban due to the lack of profit these companies will be making. instead they give us synthetic crap that will give us alot of problem down the future.
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