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The DEA might have saved my life. 1
#23596842 - 08/31/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I really hate to say it, but I think the DEA just saved my life. Maybe not literally, but in the sense of having a decent and and fulfilling remainder of my time here, being able to imagine and plan a future for myself.
You see, I've been a regular kratom user for several years now. I first starting using it when I was fighting some health issues. Eventually I got that mostly sorted out and it became more of a habit.
Now I'm the first person to talk all about how it is a less harmful, less addictive alternative to traditional opiates. I know that it has helped many people including myself. I sincerely believe that it should not be illegal and that a government has no right to dictate how we live our lives.
I know, believe me, I know. I used for extended periods of time and it still worked very well with minimal dose creep. I even quit using it several times and was surprised how easy it was and how quickly I recoved. The stuff is some sort of miracle plant that we probably could use to combat many of the problems we face.
It is so seemingly benign that it is hard to find much bad to say about it. And that right there is my problem. You see, as great as it is, I eventually got tired of being in a slight haze most of the time. I knew that there was more to life than the limited spectrum of feelings and emotions this plant seemed to allow. When I'd quit I would quickly realize just how much more there was to life than staying numb all day.
But then inevitably I would wake up one morning tired and grumpy, thinking about my mudane job and my booring middle class life. Or maybe I would get a little sick. Or maybe I would just be bored. And I knew that a couple little scoops of powder could smooth life right out. Before long I would be right back into regular use.
I kept thinking that I eventually needed to leave kratom behind for good. Don't get me wrong, it is great, it helped me and many others, but in the end it just became a habit that wasn't really helping anymore. Instead of being a step in a new direction it had become something that was kind of holding me back. I just couldn't find a good enough reason to walk away from it.
When the DEA made its move I was initially quite pissed off. In fact I still am. It is complete bullshit. Many people will suffer because of it. I know all of this and would gladly keep it legal if I could.
At the same time a part of me is quite relieved. I already know that I can quit and that overall my life is better without it. I just needed a reason to let go and move on. Now the decision has been made, the sign has been given. Time to quit for good.
And what a relief it is. No more wondering when it will be time. No more waiting for some sign or reason to quit. No more angrily follwing every bullshit news article with my personal fate all tangled up with the fate of this strange plant.
I'm mere hours into a hard taper, but already I feel better and more clear headed than I have in a long time. I realize now how much negative influence kratom actually had on me. It wasn't really the plant itself, but the way in which it tied me to human politics. I was becoming angry, clingly, and fearful, always worried about what might happen. Now that I am emotionally free I realize it is just one plant and that my life will go on.
Anyway, I know it is complete bullshit and ultimately harmful to society. However, I just wondered if anyone else is at least partially relieved that the great kratom experiment may be coming to an end. Maybe it isn't the right conclusion, but maybe any end is better than the perpetual limbo we have been stuck in for so long.
It's almost like, "What the fuck is going on! Can I count on it or not! Enough with the waiting make your move you fucking assholes! I need to know if this will be here for me!"
"Oh, ouch, that sucks, but at least we know where this is headed. At least I can finally make clear plans for my own future."
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#23596852 - 08/31/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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#23596863 - 08/31/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The DEA does a good job and has the best interests of the citizens at heart.
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something super extreme said: The DEA does a good job and has the best interests of the citizens at heart.
Obviously that is sarcasm.
Just to be clear, I sincerely feel like their decision was the wrong one. However the past few years of my life have been spent constantly wondering what was going to happen to an integral part of my daily life. Now at least I know.
It is like watching something that you care about die. It hurts. You wouldn't have chosen that path. However at least the ambiguity is over and you can move on.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23596875 - 08/31/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't speak for me. I admire the decisions made by our law enforcement agencies and believe they're made to better the people of the United States.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23596888 - 08/31/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AllGreyThumbs said:
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something super extreme said: The DEA does a good job and has the best interests of the citizens at heart.
Obviously that is sarcasm.
Just to be clear, I sincerely feel like their decision was the wrong one. However the past few years of my life have been spent constantly wondering what was going to happen to an integral part of my daily life. Now at least I know.
It is like watching something that you care about die. It hurts. You wouldn't have chosen that path. However at least the ambiguity is over and you can move on.
I feel the same way about psychedelics , if they were legal I would abuse them too much , thank god the USA has such agencies like the DEA to keep the people who have addictive personalities like me and you. Have you made the right thing and donated to the cause ? After all they have to work within their budget. I was so relieved when the DEA banned k2 that shit actually gave me a seizure ( when mixed with alcohol )
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Kinko]
#23596890 - 08/31/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DEA lives matter
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23596941 - 08/31/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use kratom like a crutch
Began as the occasional
But anymore its daily to get me thru strenuous work. It was quite ironic that i ordered another kilo just about an hour before that announcement. Im mad but on s3cond thought now maybe i will use it in a healthier manner, only doing it a couple times a month as a treat. I shouldnt need anything daily for energy. The daily is where anything can become a problem.
However being a former opiate addict it is fucked up that our society cant use this as a natural form of addiction treatment because it has such potential.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Kinko]
#23596942 - 08/31/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The DEA: 99.99% inefficient since day one Thank God humans aren't actually able to ban God's plants from society, or well at least.
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#23596950 - 08/31/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why don't they ban alcohol? It harms many thousand times as many as kratom does. They said 16 deaths from kratom in 4 years WORLD WIDE and most of them were in combination with alcohol and other drugs.
It's just bullshit. I have learned the hard way that taking away the addictive substance does little to stop the addict from pursuing it. I'm an alcoholic...I've been sober over 17 years and booze is everywhere. To really overcome addiction, you need to not partake when it is within reach. Trying to remove the substance alone rarely works.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Kinko]
#23596955 - 08/31/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kratom honestly worked as a mild antidepressant for me. It has helped me get a grip on my surroundings in a way that oxy/heroin wouldnt. If the DEA did in fact improve your quality of life then that's great. As for me I didn't take Kratom to get high. I used it as a balancing act for my mental health. I have a friend that quit drinking a little over a month ago and he was an every night drinker. He used Kratom to keep himself away from in my opinion a much easier substance to abuse with known repercussions to health.
I told him about the ban and he already said he'll most likely start drinking again.
My girlfriend and I had tried everything short of rehabilitation to keep me off the streets looking for dope and had given up until Kratom came along. The DEAs decision is going to hurt more than it is help I believe. Im going to try to keep from using again but this definitely didn't help me in anyway shape or form.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23596958 - 08/31/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The DEA has done nothing to help you. You'll either use some sort of opiate or won't , and now if you do, it'll likely be something far worse for you. For all you know the DEA just killed you.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: 28064212]
#23596966 - 08/31/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only thing the DEA cares about is making sure that reefer stays out of the hands of White America's daughters so that they aren't tempted to have sex with the bestial black man.
The only thing the DEA officials wants is to make sure there isn't black salami balls deep in their daughter or wife's pussy. Because in the word's of Harry Anslinger "Marijuana makes white women wanna sleep with black men".
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Mental Taco]
#23596967 - 08/31/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mental Taco said: I use kratom like a crutch
Began as the occasional
But anymore its daily to get me thru strenuous work. It was quite ironic that i ordered another kilo just about an hour before that announcement. Im mad but on s3cond thought now maybe i will use it in a healthier manner, only doing it a couple times a month as a treat. I shouldnt need anything daily for energy. The daily is where anything can become a problem.
However being a former opiate addict it is fucked up that our society cant use this as a natural form of addiction treatment because it has such potential.
That is an insightful contribution. Cleary it has the potential to help many people, from addicts to medical users, to perhaps even folks with mental health concerns. It seems to have a much greater benefit vs. risk profile than many other things.
At the same time nothing is completely black and white. As benign as kratom is, it also does have a way of becoming a habit. Plus even if it is completely the wrong decision, at least it is a decision and us users can finally see its most likely future. This is a definite relief from the constant uncertainty.
Had it become legal I'm sure I would have found some equilibrium eventually. Perhaps I would have gotten tired of being hazed and/or cycling through periods of use and abstinence. I eventually might have settled into occasional use with little desire for extended runs. I was already kind of working that direction with each period of use becoming shorter, and each quitting process becoming easier.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23596989 - 08/31/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kratom is terrible in my humble. Maybe it was the type I had but it made me itch a lot more than regular opiates
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thenutflush said: Kratom is terrible in my humble. Maybe it was the type I had but it made me itch a lot more than regular opiates
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: 28064212]
#23597003 - 08/31/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I've never plugged drugs except the one time... a dilaudid LOL. I'm such an idiot
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: 28064212]
#23597006 - 08/31/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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28064212 said: The DEA has done nothing to help you. You'll either use some sort of opiate or won't , and now if you do, it'll likely be something far worse for you. For all you know the DEA just killed you.
Help, no, but make a decision, yes. For several years the future has been hazy. Is it going to make it or is it going to be taken? While taking it from us may ultimately be more harmful to most people and society at large, at least I now know what the future seems to hold.
Do I really even want to quit or do I actually prefer using? If I want to quit when should I quit? If I don't want to quit, can I count on it always being there for me?
Right or wrong, there are a whole slew of questions that were rattling around my mind which instantly became irrelevant. That alone is something at least, some small measure of peace that came from an otherwise questionable action.
Or maybe I'm just trying to find some way to make this power grab and human loss feel a little better.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23597022 - 08/31/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: It's just bullshit. I have learned the hard way that taking away the addictive substance does little to stop the addict from pursuing it. I'm an alcoholic...I've been sober over 17 years and booze is everywhere. To really overcome addiction, you need to not partake when it is within reach. Trying to remove the substance alone rarely works.
That is true and one of the real advantages of kratom. It allowed someone to maintain for as long as they needed to and quit when they were really ready.
This was actually something that I felt like I was headed towards. The longer I used, the less magical and alluring it seemed and the more I saw the advantages of clear headed life. In time I'm almost certain I would have gravitated toward very minimal use that avoided periods of dependency.
It is a real shame that future citizens will most likely not have this option. I hurt for them, but at the same time feel glad that my own future has come into focus. It is a real mix of emotions that is only made more interesting considering that I'm at half my normal daily dose and still decreasing. Sometimes the return of deeper emotions is almost worth the little bit of discomfort such times can bring.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23597041 - 08/31/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck this shit. Kratom is soon to be illegal yet alcohol causes more deaths than all the other hard drugs combined. This ban is all about Big Pharma's bottom line. I used kratom to quit suboxone, but I continue to take it because I have a lot of chronic pain and fatigue issues. Kratom relieves my pain and gives me cleaner energy than caffeine. Kratom has a multitude of health benefits, and no harmful side effects, and it's soon to be illegal because Big Pharma wants you to dull your pain with oxycodone and alleviate your withdrawals with suboxone and methadone. Kratom is just an obstacle to the pharmaceutical industry increasing their profit margin, and that's all there is to it.
Let's not go down without a fight. Sign the petition to keep kratom legal and write a letter to the DOJ about this complete fucking outrage.
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kratom, LOL!!!
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
#23597053 - 08/31/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it really as simple as that? Damn. I thought we were over banning plants here in 'Murica, I felt a come back with the weed legalization going on. But with that money incentive in "Big Pharma"," things are no longer being banned for health reasons or fear like with some of the psychadelics in the 60's and 70's right? Just money driven?
Edit... Sorry, I think I just posted in the wrong area.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: JohnnyCakes]
#23597064 - 08/31/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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In reality, this has little to do with "Big pharma." Their drugs are scheduled all the time, most notably when hydrocodone combination products were rescheduled, (likely) costing them an enormous amount of money.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: badchad]
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It amazes me to think your even alive then. You know if you ever feel like life is a little to dull, you could always take a little dxm. Not a lot, just enough to feel a light buzz.
Why don't you give that a shot? I mean, what's the worst that could happen? Hell the dea hasn't banned it yet, so you may as well give it a try.
seriously from the bottom of my heart, you and anyone else who can't handle their shit need to go fuck yourselves, you are the exact reason nothing good can stay in this country. I seriously hope the absolute worst for people like you.
Learn some self control for fucks sake.
Fuck anybody with your mindset.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: 28064212]
#23597119 - 08/31/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your experience pretty much mirrors my experience with weed. I love it and do it every day, which probably isn't the best thing for me to be high all the time. But it has minimal consequences so I don't mind. I still love weed though.
But I definitely don't want someone to come make all of the weed disappear in the world just to keep me from abusing it. If I'm going to quit it'll be my own decision. It would be a good thing if drugs were regulated and you could call a number similar to 1-800-bets-off that would make it so you could never buy said drug again.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: badchad]
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badchad said: In reality, this has little to do with "Big pharma." Their drugs are scheduled all the time, most notably when hydrocodone combination products were rescheduled, (likely) costing them an enormous amount of money.
I just don't see any other motivation. Sure, there have been cases of people showing up in the ER with kratom related problems, but in those cases the "kratom" was adulterated with research chemicals, specifically analogs of tramadol and fentanyl. That being said, there have been 650 something documented cases in 5 years. More people go to the ER for taking too much diphenhydramine of DXM every few months. The health issues just don't justify it, and important facts are deliberately being overlooked. When you compare this to things like spice or cathinones, which really do have severe health risks, it just doesn't make sense. I remember one time I smoked spice and had crazy heart palpitations and chest pains. I've never tried bath salts, but in the hundreds of times I've taken kratom, I've never had adverse reactions.
This is the USA and we're still a capitalist society, and to me this seems way too similar to the tobacco industry's incessant attempts to get e-cigs banned because they help people quit smoking. Maybe my views are biased because I quit smoking with an e-cig and quit suboxone with kratom, but I just can't believe that the DEA is scheduling kratom with public safety in mind.
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#23597157 - 08/31/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP
You could have just, stopped taking kratom on your own.
It shouldn't take a DEA ban to have some sense of self control.
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Big Worm said: OP
You could have just, stopped taking kratom on your own.
It shouldn't take a DEA ban to have some sense of self control.
No, op has no self control, that's why he keeps shitposting in the pub about his "dxm and caffeine and nicotine addictions"
Oh... wait...
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As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.
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I think we are off topic on this thread. User something super extreme is spreading the good word on his wholesome shroomery community project (top post) here. Please click the link if you are here and participating.
Edit... I apologize for being such a noob, I realize that the link to his project is his signature at the moment. I am the one off topic.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
#23597326 - 08/31/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not even bothering to try to stockpile. Doing so just feels like investing even more emotional energy in something that may still end up lost.
My feeling is to just let it go. We had a good run, but now it is time to move on and explore new things.
I still dislike the fact that it is being taken from us and everyone else that needs it. There are people who's lives are better because of it. The DEA hurt the human race in order to further its own power. If it was time to start a revolution I'd be right there on the front lines. However until such time I feel like I have to step away from the constant struggle surrounding this plant.
Three fucking years of constant worry about a plant. Three years of reading propaganda new articles and signing petitions. Three years of being (mildly) addicted to a substance that could be lost at any time. It is no way to live. I'm tired of fighting the bullshit and the lies.
I cared too much about this and every other injustice in our fucked up world. Now I need to care a little less and let some of the shit go. Kratom is something good to fight for, but I can't keep making it my fight. It hurts too bad when shit like this happens. I don't really need it so I should not be so heavily invested in the struggle.
Basically no last minute stockpiling for me. If it survives then it is pointless. If it doesn't then it seems best to end things promptly and not cling to it.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
#23597348 - 08/31/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.
I feel you. I found the cheapest prices I've seen yesterday, i should be able to get 2-3 kilos a week. If i can reset my tolerance and keep it baseline i figure 7-9 kilos should last almost a year, if not more.
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NumeroEno said: As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.
I feel you. I found the cheapest prices I've seen yesterday, i should be able to get 2-3 kilos a week. If i can reset my tolerance and keep it baseline i figure 7-9 kilos should last almost a year, if not more.
Then what? Kratom isn't a particular harsh substance. I've quit it several times and seem to bounce back fairly quickly. However another year of hitting those mu receptors isn't going to make the transition to K-free life any easier. Stockpiling doesn't seem like a long term solution.
Then again, I'm mostly done anyway and just needed an excuse to tip the scales. Maybe another year is what some folks need in order to be truly ready to move on. Good luck with your ordering.
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NumeroEno said: As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.
I feel you. I found the cheapest prices I've seen yesterday, i should be able to get 2-3 kilos a week. If i can reset my tolerance and keep it baseline i figure 7-9 kilos should last almost a year, if not more.
Yeah I ordered 1 kilo to try it out. Couldn't refuse it at that price. If it's good I'll buy 2 more with each paycheck I get until I can't get anymore. I'm also going to start growing it assuming I can get my hands on a plant, but otherwise once the stockpile runs out that will be it for me not counting the large area in my yard that I've sown with poppy seeds.
My cynical side is surprised it took this long for it to get banned. By any means it's pretty powerful stuff, but to me it's much more of a medicine than a recreational drug. As much as I blame the pharmaceutical lobby and the establishment for this shit. I know that the shady fucks that were selling RC laced kratom are just as much to blame. It's all shitheads using underhanded methods to make a few extra bucks.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
#23597427 - 08/31/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This ban is for sure going to kill me no doubt. I'm literally fearing for my life.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: tripp23]
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: thenutflush]
#23597530 - 08/31/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really it's just going to be an annoyance. I have no doubt it will still be available after the ban. I'll probably end up taking painkillers and suboxone more once it gets banned, but I've never been out of control with either of those so it's not going to be the end of the world for me. I did till up about a 200 square foot area in my yard and scatter a shitload of poppy seeds, so hopefully I'll get a nice batch of opium next year.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
#23597809 - 08/31/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My dear darling baby brother, bless his addictive heart, had a similar problem with kratom. Which developed into a problem with caffeine pills and kratom. And then sleeping pills caffeine pills and kratom. And then etizolam and sleeping pills and caffeine pills and kratom.
And it only slowed when the had seizures from etiz withdrawal. And before those things he had problems with fucking benadryl.
In short, addicts will be addicts. Even if they're too paranoid or unable to find what is illegal then they will find something legal to fixate on.
Kids as well find something else to get high from. Snorting chocolate and smoking coffee is a thing. Putting a belt around their throat and cutting off the oxygen to their brain is a thing. Huffing freon and airduster are things too.
So... I'm glad you're being forced to drop your current fixation but banning relatively harmless substances to help addicts is like outlawing open water to prevent drowning.
Or maybe like outlawing and preventing the manufacturing of vehicles that go over 45mph to curb fatalities in accidents. You won't prevent them, people will break the law as much as they can, and all you've really done is piss off the responsible law abiding people. To say nothing of the dangerous and illegal business it will spur in people jerryrigging and home modifying cars to go faster than they were designed to do.
There is no senseless law made and enforced that does not spawn more problem than was there to begin with.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23597898 - 08/31/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you haven't drank in 17 years how are u an alcoholic?
Alcoholism is addiction to the consumption of liquor but u don't imbibe?
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: stzacrack]
#23598070 - 08/31/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would get kratom if i wanted kratom
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: blackdust]
#23598146 - 08/31/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So that grem implies you whore for your drugs ?
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23598271 - 08/31/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting story.
Ive heard of other people getting addicted to kratom, a less potent version of herion.
im glad its going to help u, this DEA ban.
havent taken kratom yet, so i cant say anything positive or negative about it.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: blackdust]
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What's up blackdust? How you been man? I took a 5 month break from the site and haven't seen you in the journals since I came back.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
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NumeroEno said: Fuck this shit. Kratom is soon to be illegal yet alcohol causes more deaths than all the other hard drugs combined. This ban is all about Big Pharma's bottom line. I used kratom to quit suboxone, but I continue to take it because I have a lot of chronic pain and fatigue issues. Kratom relieves my pain and gives me cleaner energy than caffeine. Kratom has a multitude of health benefits, and no harmful side effects, and it's soon to be illegal because Big Pharma wants you to dull your pain with oxycodone and alleviate your withdrawals with suboxone and methadone. Kratom is just an obstacle to the pharmaceutical industry increasing their profit margin, and that's all there is to it.
Let's not go down without a fight. Sign the petition to keep kratom legal and write a letter to the DOJ about this complete fucking outrage.
Exactly. It disgusts me to see people defending the DEA's actions on this one. It's like watching marijuana being made a schedule 1, and then coming on the forums and seeing some stupid fucking irresponsible asshole saying 'thank god daddy took my marijuanas away!'
Anyone who thinks kratom addiction is in any way comparable to opiate or real drug addiction is a fucking asshole with no fucking clue what they are talking about.
This ban makes me absolutely furious. I use kratom regularly. It gives me energy, and relieves anxiety. I am a fucking responsible adult, and I don't need the government playing daddy, pretending they have my best interest in mind. I know what I want and need. I'm not hurting anybody. It adds to my quality of life, plain and simple.
The drug war must end, the DEA are both parasites and predators. They are no safeguard. They party with the very same drug cartels they are supposed to be fighting. They have orgies with them. Look it up. It's all fucking bullshit, and anyone who supports them is a fucking asshole, especially here of all places.
For all of those opiate/alcohol addicts (and even other hard drugs) who have quite with kratom, or possibly would quite with kratom, the DEA just signed their death sentence. We're in the middle of a heroin epidemic, and kratom is one of the only substances that has had incredible success as a recovery aid. This is disgusting. Do not celebrate.
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Take personal responsibility for your own shortcomings.
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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: danielx]
#23599520 - 08/31/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I seiously am wondering now. Is heroin really even that bad? I meam, for fucks sake. They may as well have outlawed coffee. Idk why weed being illegal never made me wonder this. But now i seriously do realize just how true the saying is that "the drug war is all about money".
Idk, i could almost see why some people think weed causing people mental distress at the most (not enough to warrant banning, but enough that some people out there at least think it was the right thing to do), but this kratom thing makes me ask "what's next? Coffee? Aspirin? Kombucha? Meditation?"
Seriously fuck this country and the dumbasses that willingly support it. Fuck anyone who thinks laws like this can work out for the greater good.
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