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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno] * 1
    #23597043 - 08/31/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

kratom, LOL!!!


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23597053 - 08/31/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is it really as simple as that? Damn. I thought we were over banning plants here in 'Murica, I felt a come back with the weed legalization going on. But with that money incentive in "Big Pharma"," things are no longer being banned for health reasons or fear like with some of the psychadelics in the 60's and 70's right? Just money driven?

Edit... Sorry, I think I just posted in the wrong area.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: JohnnyCakes]
    #23597064 - 08/31/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In reality, this has little to do with "Big pharma." Their drugs are scheduled all the time, most notably when hydrocodone combination products were rescheduled, (likely) costing them an enormous amount of money.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: badchad]
    #23597109 - 08/31/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It amazes me to think your even alive then. You know if you ever feel like life is a little to dull, you could always take a little dxm. Not a lot, just enough to feel a light buzz.

Why don't you give that a shot? I mean, what's the worst that could happen? Hell the dea hasn't banned it yet, so you may as well give it a try.:shrug:

seriously from the bottom of my heart, you and anyone else who can't handle their shit need to go fuck yourselves, you are the exact reason nothing good can stay in this country. I seriously hope the absolute worst for people like you.

Learn some self control for fucks sake.

Fuck anybody with your mindset.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: 28064212]
    #23597119 - 08/31/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Your experience pretty much mirrors my experience with weed. I love it and do it every day, which probably isn't the best thing for me to be high all the time. But it has minimal consequences so I don't mind. I still love weed though.

But I definitely don't want someone to come make all of the weed disappear in the world just to keep me from abusing it. If I'm going to quit it'll be my own decision. It would be a good thing if drugs were regulated and you could call a number similar to 1-800-bets-off that would make it so you could never buy said drug again.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: badchad]
    #23597120 - 08/31/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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badchad said:
In reality, this has little to do with "Big pharma." Their drugs are scheduled all the time, most notably when hydrocodone combination products were rescheduled, (likely) costing them an enormous amount of money.



I just don't see any other motivation. Sure, there have been cases of people showing up in the ER with kratom related problems, but in those cases the "kratom" was adulterated with research chemicals, specifically analogs of tramadol and fentanyl. That being said, there have been 650 something documented cases in 5 years. More people go to the ER for taking too much diphenhydramine of DXM every few months. The health issues just don't justify it, and important facts are deliberately being overlooked. When you compare this to things like spice or cathinones, which really do have severe health risks, it just doesn't make sense. I remember one time I smoked spice and had crazy heart palpitations and chest pains. I've never tried bath salts, but in the hundreds of times I've taken kratom, I've never had adverse reactions.

This is the USA and we're still a capitalist society, and to me this seems way too similar to the tobacco industry's incessant attempts to get e-cigs banned because they help people quit smoking. Maybe my views are biased because I quit smoking with an e-cig and quit suboxone with kratom, but I just can't believe that the DEA is scheduling kratom with public safety in mind.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno] * 1
    #23597157 - 08/31/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OP


You could have just, stopped taking kratom on your own. 


It shouldn't take a DEA ban to have some sense of self control.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Big Worm] * 1
    #23597232 - 08/31/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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OP


You could have just, stopped taking kratom on your own. 


It shouldn't take a DEA ban to have some sense of self control.



No, op has no self control, that's why he keeps shitposting in the pub about his "dxm and caffeine and nicotine addictions"

Oh... wait...

:rolleyes:


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I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23597244 - 08/31/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs] * 1
    #23597282 - 08/31/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think we are off topic on this thread. User something super extreme is spreading the good word on his wholesome shroomery community project (top post) here. Please click the link if you are here and participating.

Edit... I apologize for being such a noob, I realize that the link to his project is his signature at the moment. I am the one off topic.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23597326 - 08/31/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not even bothering to try to stockpile.  Doing so just feels like investing even more emotional energy in something that may still end up lost.

My feeling is to just let it go.  We had a good run, but now it is time to move on and explore new things.

I still dislike the fact that it is being taken from us and everyone else that needs it.  There are people who's lives are better because of it.  The DEA hurt the human race in order to further its own power.  If it was time to start a revolution I'd be right there on the front lines.  However until such time I feel like I have to step away from the constant struggle surrounding this plant.

Three fucking years of constant worry about a plant.  Three years of reading propaganda new articles and signing petitions.  Three years of being (mildly) addicted to a substance that could be lost at any time.  It is no way to live.  I'm tired of fighting the bullshit and the lies.

I cared too much about this and every other injustice in our fucked up world.  Now I need to care a little less and let some of the shit go.  Kratom is something good to fight for, but I can't keep making it my fight.  It hurts too bad when shit like this happens.  I don't really need it so I should not be so heavily invested in the struggle.

Basically no last minute stockpiling for me.  If it survives then it is pointless.  If it doesn't then it seems best to end things promptly and not cling to it.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23597348 - 08/31/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.



I feel you. I found the cheapest prices I've seen yesterday, i should be able to get 2-3 kilos a week. If i can reset my tolerance and keep it baseline i figure 7-9 kilos should last almost a year, if not more.:sad:


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Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists.

I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke.


In erowid we trust.

Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23597369 - 08/31/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.



I feel you. I found the cheapest prices I've seen yesterday, i should be able to get 2-3 kilos a week. If i can reset my tolerance and keep it baseline i figure 7-9 kilos should last almost a year, if not more.:sad:




Then what?  Kratom isn't a particular harsh substance.  I've quit it several times and seem to bounce back fairly quickly.  However another year of hitting those mu receptors isn't going to make the transition to K-free life any easier.  Stockpiling doesn't seem like a long term solution.

Then again, I'm mostly done anyway and just needed an excuse to tip the scales.  Maybe another year is what some folks need in order to be truly ready to move on.  Good luck with your ordering.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23597417 - 08/31/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
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NumeroEno said:
As much as this sucks, there's only one real option. I'll be stockpiling as much as I can before the 30th, and then tapering off. I've most definitely been using it as a crutch, I mean it helped me kick suboxone but kratom itself doesn't have much in the way of withdrawals, so I'll amass my big stockpile and taper off of it so that by the time I run out I'll be just fine to stop entirely. Now, I'm wondering if it will be permanently scheduled or if this will just be until a consensus is reached that it's harmless.



I feel you. I found the cheapest prices I've seen yesterday, i should be able to get 2-3 kilos a week. If i can reset my tolerance and keep it baseline i figure 7-9 kilos should last almost a year, if not more.:sad:




Yeah I ordered 1 kilo to try it out. Couldn't refuse it at that price. If it's good I'll buy 2 more with each paycheck I get until I can't get anymore. I'm also going to start growing it assuming I can get my hands on a plant, but otherwise once the stockpile runs out that will be it for me not counting the large area in my yard that I've sown with poppy seeds.

My cynical side is surprised it took this long for it to get banned. By any means it's pretty powerful stuff, but to me it's much more of a medicine than a recreational drug. As much as I blame the pharmaceutical lobby and the establishment for this shit. I know that the shady fucks that were selling RC laced kratom are just as much to blame. It's all shitheads using underhanded methods to make a few extra bucks.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23597427 - 08/31/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This ban is for sure going to kill me no doubt.  I'm literally fearing for my life.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: tripp23]
    #23597438 - 08/31/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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This ban is for sure going to kill me no doubt.  I'm literally fearing for my life.




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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: thenutflush]
    #23597530 - 08/31/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really it's just going to be an annoyance. I have no doubt it will still be available after the ban. I'll probably end up taking painkillers and suboxone more once it gets banned, but I've never been out of control with either of those so it's not going to be the end of the world for me. I did till up about a 200 square foot area in my yard and scatter a shitload of poppy seeds, so hopefully I'll get a nice batch of opium next year.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23597809 - 08/31/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My dear darling baby brother, bless his addictive heart, had a similar problem with kratom. Which developed into a problem with caffeine pills and kratom. And then sleeping pills caffeine pills and kratom. And then etizolam and sleeping pills and caffeine pills and kratom.

And it only slowed when the had seizures from etiz withdrawal. And before those things he had problems with fucking benadryl.

In short, addicts will be addicts. Even if they're too paranoid or unable to find what is illegal then they will find something legal to fixate on.



Kids as well find something else to get high from. Snorting chocolate and smoking coffee is a thing. Putting a belt around their throat and cutting off the oxygen to their brain is a thing. Huffing freon and airduster are things too.


So... I'm glad you're being forced to drop your current fixation but banning relatively harmless substances to help addicts is like outlawing open water to prevent drowning.

Or maybe like outlawing and preventing the manufacturing of vehicles that go over 45mph to curb fatalities in accidents. You won't prevent them, people will break the law as much as they can, and all you've really done is piss off the responsible law abiding people. To say nothing of the dangerous and illegal business it will spur in people jerryrigging and home modifying cars to go faster than they were designed to do.



There is no senseless law made and enforced that does not spawn more problem than was there to begin with.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23597898 - 08/31/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you haven't drank in 17 years how are u an alcoholic?

Alcoholism is addiction to the consumption of liquor but u don't imbibe?


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: stzacrack]
    #23598070 - 08/31/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i would get kratom if i wanted kratom :doggystyle:


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