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The DEA might have saved my life. * 1
    #23596842 - 08/31/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I really hate to say it, but I think the DEA just saved my life.  Maybe not literally, but in the sense of having a decent and and fulfilling remainder of my time here, being able to imagine and plan a future for myself.

You see, I've been a regular kratom user for several years now.  I first starting using it when I was fighting some health issues.  Eventually I got that mostly sorted out and it became more of a habit.

Now I'm the first person to talk all about how it is a less harmful, less addictive alternative to traditional opiates.  I know that it has helped many people including myself.  I sincerely believe that it should not be illegal and that a government has no right to dictate how we live our lives.

I know, believe me, I know.  I used for extended periods of time and it still worked very well with minimal dose creep.  I even quit using it several times and was surprised how easy it was and how quickly I recoved.  The stuff is some sort of miracle plant that we probably could use to combat many of the problems we face.

It is so seemingly benign that it is hard to find much bad to say about it.  And that right there is my problem.  You see, as great as it is, I eventually got tired of being in a slight haze most of the time.  I knew that there was more to life than the limited spectrum of feelings and emotions this plant seemed to allow.  When I'd quit I would quickly realize just how much more there was to life than staying numb all day.

But then inevitably I would wake up one morning tired and grumpy, thinking about my mudane job and my booring middle class life.  Or maybe I would get a little sick.  Or maybe I would just be bored.  And I knew that a couple little scoops of powder could smooth life right out.  Before long I would be right back into regular use.

I kept thinking that I eventually needed to leave kratom behind for good.  Don't get me wrong, it is great, it helped me and many others, but in the end it just became a habit that wasn't really helping anymore.  Instead of being a step in a new direction it had become something that was kind of holding me back.  I just couldn't find a good enough reason to walk away from it.

When the DEA made its move I was initially quite pissed off.  In fact I still am.  It is complete bullshit.  Many people will suffer because of it.  I know all of this and would gladly keep it legal if I could.

At the same time a part of me is quite relieved.  I already know that I can quit and that overall my life is better without it.  I just needed a reason to let go and move on.  Now the decision has been made, the sign has been given.  Time to quit for good.

And what a relief it is.  No more wondering when it will be time.  No more waiting for some sign or reason to quit.  No more angrily follwing every bullshit news article with my personal fate all tangled up with the fate of this strange plant.

I'm mere hours into a hard taper, but already I feel better and more clear headed than I have in a long time.  I realize now how much negative influence kratom actually had on me.  It wasn't really the plant itself, but the way in which it tied me to human politics.  I was becoming angry, clingly, and fearful, always worried about what might happen.  Now that I am emotionally free I realize it is just one plant and that my life will go on.

Anyway, I know it is complete bullshit and ultimately harmful to society.  However, I just wondered if anyone else is at least partially relieved that the great kratom experiment may be coming to an end.  Maybe it isn't the right conclusion, but maybe any end is better than the perpetual limbo we have been stuck in for so long.

It's almost like, "What the fuck is going on!  Can I count on it or not!  Enough with the waiting make your move you fucking assholes!  I need to know if this will be here for me!"

"Oh, ouch, that sucks, but at least we know where this is headed.  At least I can finally make clear plans for my own future."


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs] * 7
    #23596852 - 08/31/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In before after ban you get addicted to H


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs] * 5
    #23596863 - 08/31/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The DEA does a good job and has the best interests of the citizens at heart.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: something super extreme]
    #23596871 - 08/31/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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something super extreme said:
The DEA does a good job and has the best interests of the citizens at heart.




Obviously that is sarcasm.

Just to be clear, I sincerely feel like their decision was the wrong one.  However the past few years of my life have been spent constantly wondering what was going to happen to an integral part of my daily life.  Now at least I know.

It is like watching something that you care about die.  It hurts.  You wouldn't have chosen that path.  However at least the ambiguity is over and you can move on.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23596875 - 08/31/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You don't speak for me.
I admire the decisions made by our law enforcement agencies and believe they're made to better the people of the United States.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23596888 - 08/31/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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AllGreyThumbs said:
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something super extreme said:
The DEA does a good job and has the best interests of the citizens at heart.




Obviously that is sarcasm.

Just to be clear, I sincerely feel like their decision was the wrong one.  However the past few years of my life have been spent constantly wondering what was going to happen to an integral part of my daily life.  Now at least I know.

It is like watching something that you care about die.  It hurts.  You wouldn't have chosen that path.  However at least the ambiguity is over and you can move on.



I feel the same way about psychedelics , if they were legal I would abuse them too much , thank god the USA has such agencies like the DEA to keep the people who have addictive personalities like me and you.    Have you made the right thing and donated to the cause ? After all they have to work within their budget.                  I was so relieved when the DEA banned k2 that shit actually gave me a seizure ( when mixed with alcohol )


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Kinko]
    #23596890 - 08/31/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DEA lives matter


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23596941 - 08/31/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I use kratom like a crutch

Began as the occasional

But anymore its daily to get me thru strenuous work.
It was quite ironic that i ordered another kilo just about an hour before that announcement. Im mad but on s3cond thought now maybe i will use it in a healthier manner, only doing it a couple times a month as a treat. I shouldnt need anything daily for energy. The daily is where anything can become a problem.

However being a former opiate addict it is fucked up that our society cant use this as a natural form of addiction treatment because it has such potential.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Kinko]
    #23596942 - 08/31/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The DEA: 99.99% inefficient since day one
Thank God humans aren't actually able to ban God's plants from society, or well at least.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Kinko] * 3
    #23596950 - 08/31/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't they ban alcohol? It harms many thousand times as many as kratom does. They said 16 deaths from kratom in 4 years WORLD WIDE and most of them were in combination with alcohol and other drugs.

It's just bullshit. I have learned the hard way that taking away the addictive substance does little to stop the addict from pursuing it. I'm an alcoholic...I've been sober over 17 years and booze is everywhere. To really overcome addiction, you need to not partake when it is within reach. Trying to remove the substance alone rarely works.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Kinko]
    #23596955 - 08/31/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom honestly worked as a mild antidepressant for me. It has helped me get a grip on my surroundings in a way that oxy/heroin wouldnt. If the DEA did in fact improve your quality of life then that's great. As for me I didn't take Kratom to get high. I used it as a balancing act for my mental health. I have a friend that quit drinking a little over a month ago and he was an every night drinker. He used Kratom to keep himself away from in my opinion a much easier substance to abuse with known repercussions to health.

I told him about the ban and he already said he'll most likely start drinking again.

My girlfriend and I had tried everything short of rehabilitation to keep me off the streets looking for dope and had given up until Kratom came along. The DEAs decision is going to hurt more than it is help I believe. Im going to try to keep from using again but this definitely didn't help me in anyway shape or form.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23596958 - 08/31/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The DEA has done nothing to help you. You'll either use some sort of opiate or won't , and now if you do, it'll likely be something far worse for you. For all you know the DEA just killed you.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: 28064212]
    #23596966 - 08/31/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The only thing the DEA cares about is making sure that reefer stays out of the hands of White America's daughters so that they aren't tempted to have sex with the bestial black man.

The only thing the DEA officials wants is to make sure there isn't black salami balls deep in their daughter or wife's pussy. Because in the word's of Harry Anslinger "Marijuana makes white women wanna sleep with black men".


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Mental Taco]
    #23596967 - 08/31/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I use kratom like a crutch

Began as the occasional

But anymore its daily to get me thru strenuous work.
It was quite ironic that i ordered another kilo just about an hour before that announcement. Im mad but on s3cond thought now maybe i will use it in a healthier manner, only doing it a couple times a month as a treat. I shouldnt need anything daily for energy. The daily is where anything can become a problem.

However being a former opiate addict it is fucked up that our society cant use this as a natural form of addiction treatment because it has such potential.




That is an insightful contribution.  Cleary it has the potential to help many people, from addicts to medical users, to perhaps even folks with mental health concerns.  It seems to have a much greater benefit vs. risk profile than many other things.

At the same time nothing is completely black and white.  As benign as kratom is, it also does have a way of becoming a habit.  Plus even if it is completely the wrong decision, at least it is a decision and us users can finally see its most likely future.  This is a definite relief from the constant uncertainty.

Had it become legal I'm sure I would have found some equilibrium eventually.  Perhaps I would have gotten tired of being hazed and/or cycling through periods of use and abstinence.  I eventually might have settled into occasional use with little desire for extended runs.  I was already kind of working that direction with each period of use becoming shorter, and each quitting process becoming easier.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23596989 - 08/31/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is terrible in my humble. Maybe it was the type I had but it made me itch a lot more than regular opiates


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: thenutflush] * 1
    #23596996 - 08/31/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Kratom is terrible in my humble. Maybe it was the type I had but it made me itch a lot more than regular opiates




Maybe stop shoving it up your humble


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    #23597003 - 08/31/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I've never plugged drugs except the one time... a dilaudid LOL. I'm such an idiot


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: 28064212]
    #23597006 - 08/31/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The DEA has done nothing to help you. You'll either use some sort of opiate or won't , and now if you do, it'll likely be something far worse for you. For all you know the DEA just killed you.




Help, no, but make a decision, yes.  For several years the future has been hazy.  Is it going to make it or is it going to be taken?  While taking it from us may ultimately be more harmful to most people and society at large, at least I now know what the future seems to hold.

Do I really even want to quit or do I actually prefer using?  If I want to quit when should I quit?  If I don't want to quit, can I count on it always being there for me?

Right or wrong, there are a whole slew of questions that were rattling around my mind which instantly became irrelevant.  That alone is something at least, some small measure of peace that came from an otherwise questionable action.

Or maybe I'm just trying to find some way to make this power grab and human loss feel a little better.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23597022 - 08/31/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's just bullshit. I have learned the hard way that taking away the addictive substance does little to stop the addict from pursuing it. I'm an alcoholic...I've been sober over 17 years and booze is everywhere. To really overcome addiction, you need to not partake when it is within reach. Trying to remove the substance alone rarely works.




That is true and one of the real advantages of kratom.  It allowed someone to maintain for as long as they needed to and quit when they were really ready.

This was actually something that I felt like I was headed towards.  The longer I used, the less magical and alluring it seemed and the more I saw the advantages of clear headed life.  In time I'm almost certain I would have gravitated toward very minimal use that avoided periods of dependency.

It is a real shame that future citizens will most likely not have this option.  I hurt for them, but at the same time feel glad that my own future has come into focus.  It is a real mix of emotions that is only made more interesting considering that I'm at half my normal daily dose and still decreasing.  Sometimes the return of deeper emotions is almost worth the little bit of discomfort such times can bring.


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Re: The DEA might have saved my life. [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23597041 - 08/31/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck this shit. Kratom is soon to be illegal yet alcohol causes more deaths than all the other hard drugs combined. This ban is all about Big Pharma's bottom line. I used kratom to quit suboxone, but I continue to take it because I have a lot of chronic pain and fatigue issues. Kratom relieves my pain and gives me cleaner energy than caffeine. Kratom has a multitude of health benefits, and no harmful side effects, and it's soon to be illegal because Big Pharma wants you to dull your pain with oxycodone and alleviate your withdrawals with suboxone and methadone. Kratom is just an obstacle to the pharmaceutical industry increasing their profit margin, and that's all there is to it.

Let's not go down without a fight. Sign the petition to keep kratom legal and write a letter to the DOJ about this complete fucking outrage.


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