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OfflineInebriaveritSaepe
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Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it.
    #23595447 - 08/30/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: InebriaveritSaepe]
    #23595508 - 08/30/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is so fucking sick. That petition is pathetic but it's a start. I'd like to organize a protest. I'm seriously fucking ready to head down to the DEA offides and set myself on fire.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: saythatagain]
    #23595568 - 08/30/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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saythatagain said:
This is so fucking sick. That petition is pathetic but it's a start. I'd like to organize a protest. I'm seriously fucking ready to head down to the DEA offides and set myself on fire.




They would jusy say you were high and push their cause.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: jimmyBbuffet]
    #23595679 - 08/30/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Right to schedule I.  despite anything... schedule I... Immediately. Hardest schedule of em all.... this enrages me. Like wow. The rants....


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: shroomizzy]
    #23596015 - 08/31/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its gonna happen. No way to stop it. Another way to control the masses.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23597182 - 08/31/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Stock up now folks.

OBVIOUSLY a power play by big pharma to ensure their control on the opioid trade.
Why let people self medicate with a plant when we can shove percocet down their throat.

This is fucking sickening.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: impaired420]
    #23597184 - 08/31/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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impaired420 said:
Stock up now folks.

OBVIOUSLY a power play by big pharma to ensure their control on the opioid trade.
Why let people self medicate with a plant when we can shove percocet down their throat.

This is fucking sickening.




The government doesnt run the government, big corporations run thw governmwnt.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23597731 - 08/31/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Signed and shared with friends and family... I  was searching for viable seed and
cuttings but it looks like the world is almost out lol.

War on nature is absurd


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: myceliups]
    #23597815 - 08/31/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If i would have known all this,I would have strived harder to keep mine alive:facepalm:

Now,I gotta find a way to acquire another:yesnod:


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23597857 - 08/31/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

HA!! That means kratom will be more illegal than ketamine.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: iwusthewalrus]
    #23598001 - 08/31/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How have laws ever stopped anyone from doing or getting what they want? I'd be willing to bet that most members from the US on this site are breaking a law.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: Barracho]
    #23598292 - 08/31/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm on 9grams of kratom right now FUCK THE DEA.
All they want to do is get you addicted to their shit. Then when society deems you have a problem with that shit they put you on MORE or ANOTHER TYPE of THEIR shit.

"Don't you dare eat that plant. Take this percocet instead."

Do they even realize how detrimental this would be to thousands of people who use this plant as an alternative pain reliever as apposed to destroying their livers with NSIADs or getting addicted to fucking pharms for life.

Signed the petition,not very optimistic about it though...
"We the people".....


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: impaired420]
    #23598428 - 08/31/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I am really curious to see what kind of black market there will be for kratom after this ban. I bet it will be available on darknet and extracts will become more popular as they are easier to smuggle. But I dont see kratom being profitable enough to become a street drug you can buy off a dealer. It's too bulky to smuggle, difficult to get into the country and not expensive or popular enough to make it worth the risk.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23598607 - 08/31/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Damn! :mad2:
This makes my blood boil! When will the drug enforcement assholes fuckin learn that prohibition never works?! I signed the online petition and I'm quite glad to see that others have as well. What's next? Chamomile tea?


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: MescalusMan]
    #23598847 - 08/31/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I bet it will become nigh impossible to find outside of circles of growers like we have here. It's not powerful enough to lead to any black market trading.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: Barracho]
    #23598999 - 08/31/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Barracho said:
How have laws ever stopped anyone from doing or getting what they want? I'd be willing to bet that most members from the US on this site are breaking a law.



:awesketch:


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: saythatagain]
    #23599001 - 08/31/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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saythatagain said:
I bet it will become nigh impossible to find outside of circles of growers like we have here. It's not powerful enough to lead to any black market trading.




This exactly I don't understand this shit is like weaker than codiene and codiene is OTC is some countries...

Our federal government has to go. All they do is impede on our rights, rights as citizens and rights as sovergn people.
It should be my choice what plant I want to pick and consume.

Like what's next they'll ban melatonin because you can vape it or take it with an MAOi and trip on it?
Or ban chamomile and kava and Valerian because they act on GABA receptors?

Smh...


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: impaired420]
    #23599011 - 08/31/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Actually in europe, melatonin eeds a prescription. Goes to show you europe the more liberal minded friend of america is right more often than.

I read somewhere that chemicals in beauty products, europe has ban something like 1600 of them because they cause cancer and all types of shit and the united states has only banned 11. Which means money talks. Without money there is no divided states of embarassment.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23599903 - 09/01/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No point my signing a petition referring to another country´s laws - but very good luck to you anyway.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23600347 - 09/01/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ferrel_human said:
Actually in europe, melatonin eeds a prescription. Goes to show you europe the more liberal minded friend of america is right more often than.

I read somewhere that chemicals in beauty products, europe has ban something like 1600 of them because they cause cancer and all types of shit and the united states has only banned 11. Which means money talks. Without money there is no divided states of embarassment.




Europe also prescribes 5-htp for depression...

You're right tho Ferrel... Money talks it's so very obvious.
Why stop cancer when we sell a medicine for $1200 a session that kills %97 of people anyway...

It's sick as fuck. The federal govt wants us all sick and dependent upon them for everything from food to water to medicine.

They make money off all of it.

Same shit happened with cannabis.
.that was the tcase that set the ground work for all of this bullshit. Banning plants...hey you can get high on oxygen too... Let's ban that next since we wanna ban fucking plants.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: impaired420]
    #23600373 - 09/01/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I love living close to the netherlands at least i can rely on them hardly banning anything


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23600653 - 09/01/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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howsyournaggerdoin said:
I love living close to the netherlands at least i can rely on them hardly banning anything




They sir are super smart.

I was watching a documentary on netflix on the failed drug war. They know it failed. They know its a complete and utter failure. They feel bad for all of the 'soldiers' who will most likely be out of a job and add to the ever growing populatiom of jobless. That and losing money from the big pharma. We all know its correlated.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23603029 - 09/01/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

start planting kratom now lol. As for the farther north it prob wont like it I was reading it like humid climates? I don't know too much about the subject. It sounds better then K2.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: Tomcat420]
    #23614033 - 09/05/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've got two cuttings growing, seems to be doing alright indoors in my bedroom, no humidity tent. Had some wilting on the bigger one a week or so ago, but I misted it and it came right back.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: InebriaveritSaepe]
    #23619739 - 09/06/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What are the rules/legality of live plants after the DEA bans it?


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #23620574 - 09/07/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What are the rules/legality of live plants after the DEA bans it?



Depends on what they decide to ban. If they ban mitragynine then technically plants are that grey are like san pedro cactus. Maybe just processed is gonna be banned. I dont know how that works.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23620898 - 09/07/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hopefully it falls in that gray area.  I mean do they expect people to turn in and destroy trees?  Not that I'd put it past them.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23620997 - 09/07/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ferrel_human said:
Quote:

MrGiraffe said:
What are the rules/legality of live plants after the DEA bans it?



Depends on what they decide to ban. If they ban mitragynine then technically plants are that grey are like san pedro cactus. Maybe just processed is gonna be banned. I dont know how that works.




I would think the whole plant would be deemed illegal,and mark my words,every part of it will be illegal to posses,when that bill is passed;)

Kratom is a easy to grow,and once it starts producing leaves,it's already ready to be used.

On the other hand,San Pedro cacti take years from seed to produce anything worthwhile,and even then it takes a massive amount of material,or knowledge of extraction to even get anything out of it.

Most everyday people aren't going to go through all that trouble,and this is what has kept San Pedro legal up until this day.
If all you had to do was take a few bites out of a San Pedro cactus,and trip,you can guarantee it would be banned too,just as Lophophora are:yesnod:


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23621122 - 09/07/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom trees grown outside of their natural habitat are usually of very low potency tho. Also to get enough leaves to sustain daily use youd need a bunch of them.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23621174 - 09/07/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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howsyournaggerdoin said:
Kratom trees grown outside of their natural habitat are usually of very low potency tho. Also to get enough leaves to sustain daily use youd need a bunch of them.




Everyone seems to spread this, and I'm not saying it's necessarily untrue... But do you have any scholarly report whatsoever that claims this with any amount of certainty?


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: theMallacht]
    #23621461 - 09/07/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The notice of intent the DEA made makes it look like just the chemicals in kratom are being scheduled.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: Stupendous-Yappi]
    #23621871 - 09/07/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Stupendous-Yappi said:
The notice of intent the DEA made makes it look like just the chemicals in kratom are being scheduled.




:aweshit:


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23621981 - 09/07/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not sure on potency of kratom as I have yet to try it but resisting the urge to pick leafs along with tending, regular feeding, and ideal humidity of the south has allowed it to grow huge...I have a special heater for it in the winter.  It does not blow air so it won't dry out.


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: myceliups]
    #23624453 - 09/08/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23624456 - 09/08/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I say we just go about our business as if nothing is wrong. Whattayasay?:hmm:


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Re: Kratom to be placed in schedule 1. Petition to stop it. [Re: myceliups]
    #23624503 - 09/08/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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In this work, we have presented the first thorough, in vitro
characterization of the opioid receptor pharmacology and
signaling of the natural Mitragyna alkaloids in receptor-level
functional assays. The partial agonist activity of (−)-mitragynine
at MOR is likely to account for many of the effects of
Mitragyna speciosa extracts in humans. However, the other
major alkaloids isolated from the plant, paynanthiene,
speciogynine, and speciociliatine, all exhibited competitive
antagonist activity at this receptor. Considering that cumulatively,
these secondary alkaloids accounted for an approximately
equal percentage of the total alkaloid content compared
to mitragynine in our extracts, the gross psychoactive effects of
crude plant material are likely to represent a complex interplay
of competing agonist and antagonist effects at the opioid
receptors. It was also found that the potent oxidized analogue
7-OH is not necessarily present in all extracts of plant material
(as previously suggested), so the potential contribution of this
alkaloid to the effects of Mitragyna speciosa is not general, unless
7-OH is formed as a metabolite.
Exploration with several synthetic mitragynine analogues
allowed us to define basic SAR at each of the existing
substituents, including in regions (the D ring) that were only
accessible to derivatization via total synthesis. This work
revealed that opioid activity in the mitragynine scaffold is quite
sensitive to structural modification and suggested that the
Mitragyna alkaloids adopt a unique binding pose at MOR,
distinct from that of classical opioids. This possibility was
further supported by molecular docking studies at MOR. The
first total synthesis of the unnatural enantiomer, (+)-mitragynine,
likewise allowed us to confirm that the naturally occurring
isomer is the more active opioid agonist.
We also found that mitragynine and 7-OH display biased
signaling at MOR, being selective for the G protein pathway.
Thus, it is hoped that this scaffold may represent a starting
point for the development of novel opioid analgesics with
reduced side effects. Relatedly, the finding that, in addition to
their activity at MOR, both mitragynine and 7-OH are KOR
antagonists, suggests that Mitragyna alkaloids or their synthetic
derivatives may also serve as leads for novel dual-action
antidepressants. In this regard, mitragynine itself is of particular
interest, as it acts as both a low efficacy MOR partial agonist,
and a KOR antagonist. Both of these mechanisms have been
shown to elicit antidepressant effects in animals, and in the case
of MOR, humans as well (see above). However, modulators of
the KOR have received considerably more attention in the
psychiatry community in recent years, likely due to their
apparent lack of abuse potential. Antagonists of this receptor
are antidepressant in animal models and oppose a variety of
stress-related responses that are believed to be mediated
through the endogenous KOR agonists, dynorphins.61−63
Further, several agents in this class have entered clinical trials
for MDD, but none have yet reached the market.64 Given the
ability of mitragynine to perturb both of these opioid signaling
systems in the direction consistent with mood enhancement, it
is unsurprising that it has been shown to exhibit antidepressant
activity in the forced swim test (a rodent model of
depression).65 Therefore, Mitragyna alkaloids also hold promise
in the treatment of mood disorders.




http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jacs.6b00360

Well theyve put a lot of work into this and found out some interesting stuff. They say here that mitragynine activity is pretty senstitive to molecular changes. This means they might not be able to find something thats superior to it.


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I say we just go about our business as if nothing is wrong. Whattayasay?:hmm:



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