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Ozon therapy?
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Ozone supposed to be good for u. I read people get healed after exposure to ozone.... In natural way u can only get ozone after a heavy thunder storm...
After living in another country for 20 years there hardly been any thunderstorms
Anyway, there few options on Amazon when it comes to ozone generators, most of them are for room freshening rather than breathing!
Anyone got any info /experience on this? My mother is ill and I am looking for things to improve her condition.
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23593783 - 08/30/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anthony Kedis was, and still may be a big proponent of it. I forget exactly why he did it. I think Hep C, but he was taking herbs for that as well. Either way, he wound up with normal liver enzyme levels after a while & stopped testing positive for Hep C. I haven't seen any science for ozone. Not that there isn't any; I just haven't looked.
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Just ordered ozone generator
It had some good reviews
I will keep u up to date if it is any good
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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you can get in one of those zip up infrared saunas and run it in there, just don't breathe it in.
I have one that ozonates water but I don't use it much anymore.
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: yeah]
#23595086 - 08/30/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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From a chemists point of view, stupid and dangerous idea, just oxidizes the shit out of you. From a psychologists point of view, most likely entirely reliant on placebo effect, what doesn't mean it doesn't help. It's just not the ozone that works.
Doesn't make any sense that I knew of. But that doesn't mean its useless. Better inform yourself really well with TRUSTED AND SCIENTIFICALLY VALUABLE sources before attempting. Ozone is dangerous, you could hurt someone.
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No no no, back in ******* where I grew up as I said we had often thunder storms, often in summer, it is widely known AND documented ozone released during the thunder storm actually heals... but whatever I already ordered the device, at worst it is a great air purifier / sanitiser
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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Yes yes yes, Ozone is nothing to play with. You are comparing incomparable circumstances.
Compare: lead an exhaust of an old car via tube into a warehouse with open doors. No one dies. Lead it into the passenger room, people die.
It's about concentration. Same with Ozone, except that contrary to exhaust gases, the effect is not proven to be existent.
Out of genuine interest in the topic and the health of the people dear to you, please show me the literature you refer to.
I ordered an Ozone generator, too. But for synthetic chemistry. Or rather ozonolytic chemistry: it breaks carbon-carbon double bonds into two aldehydes.
Your body contains many of those. When they are ozonolysed, guess what happens: you die.
Check tutorials for odor removal via Ozone. Do these how-to write-ups recommend to stay in the room and breathe deeply, or do they recommend to GTFO ASAP and to turn it off without entering the room cause it's do dangerous?? It's the latter.
I just told my girlfriend (studies physics & chemistry) and she lolled and said I should tell you that will kill your mother. You may very well get a murder charge because it's hard to believe that someone would be ignorant enough to strap such a device to a sick person. Because she's a nice person, she told me to give you this link:
http://www.ozonetech.com/ozone-kitchen-extract/faq/material-safety-data-sheet/
Just don't do it, for your own sake.
What does your mom have, anyway?
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Fine by me, I'll just use it as air purifier (without anyone in the room)
Or return it......
Mother got nasty muscle cramps which prevent her from resting/sleeping
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Honestly, your spreading of disinformation enrages me. Be aware that your mindless blabla has consequences. People read this and think "Ozone is really good for you" and "heals", while it's not just WRONG, it's also the OPPOSITE of the truth.
Ozone is harmful in all concentrations - just like any common reasoning would suggest. Ever heard of antioxidants? They are doing the opposite of what Ozone does - they prevent oxidation of cell contents.
Take a close look at this:
Air Quality Index Protect Your Health
Ozone conc. in parts per million.
Good
(0 to 50) No health impacts are expected when air quality is in this range.
Moderate
(51 to 100) Unusually sensitive people should consider limiting prolonged outdoor exertion.
Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups
(101 to 150) The following groups should limit prolonged outdoor exertion: People with lung disease, such as asthma Children and older adults People who are active outdoors
Unhealthy
(151 to 200) The following groups should avoid prolonged outdoor exertion: People with lung disease, such as asthma Children and older adults People who are active outdoors Everyone else should limit prolonged outdoor exertion.
Very Unhealthy
(201 to 300) The following groups should avoid all outdoor exertion: People with lung disease, such as asthma Children and older adults People who are active outdoors Everyone else should limit outdoor exertion.
Source: https://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=ozone_health.index
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23596946 - 08/31/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There, it hasn't arrived yet so I cancelled it
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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I'm just saying what this doctor said on YouTube - that he knew severely ill people and they been exposed to natural O3 after a storm in ********
And they all healed
Now I don't know what you trying to say about industrial ozone generators but NATURAL OZONE IN CERTAIN PLACE DOSE HEAL AND IS GOOD FOR YOU, but believe whatever you want, also I am not saying others should trust me, like I sad don't believe me, just ignore this
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Fine, saved you money.
A single person (doctor) who even has a motive for a skewed review (he makes money) is not an authority on the topic.
Please show me other literature that claims it, I won't mock you but read it and see if you may be right. You can't just claim something and hope it becomes true by repeating it. It doesn't.
What your mother might try is very selective, short but intense muscle strength training. That might reduce the likelihood of cramps drastically over the long term, while maybe exacerbating it shortly. Five to ten times repeated with high weight until movement can not be repeated. Pause for one minute and do two more sets. However women usually oppose this for irrational reasons. But it only needs five minutes per muscle group and shows benefits within a few days to weeks. Make sure she tries, do it together with her.
Best of wishes to her, and try not to kill her anymore. Have a nice day.
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Back in my country of origin EVERYONE knows O3 is good for u. Every time after a big storm we would escape outside and breath the freshness for half an hour or so.
I just figured I could re create the effect by using a artificial O3 from a generator
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23596985 - 08/31/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for concern about my mother
We already do all kinds of exercise , stretches and massages, yoga... Etc
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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Would you try rembering how your country's national health was improved by this? The mechanism, or what kinda illnesses it heals would be beneficial for me to understand. You might have some national science lab that propagates inhaling Ozone or the like, since everyone must know from somewhere. Would be cool to read.
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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Also I don't have any literature here from a communist country I grew up in, iit's just common knowledge in there
I'm just trying to understand, are u saying that natural O3 is dangerous or only synthetic / artificial from a generator? Cos if you saying natural O3 is just as bad as O3 from a generator that means I followed bad advice and cancelled my order
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It's not me who says that Ozone in any concentration is bad. It's the international scientific community that does so. To bad you did not look at the concentration/health risk tabellar I copied. It says that 0 to 50 parts ozone per 1 million air parts are okay but everything over that harms people. You should know that molecules produced in the lab or industry are absolutely identical to the ones of "natural origin" - O3 are three oxygens attached to each other. Usually oxygen only has two - O2. That means the Ozone wants to give off one oxygen very bad, to become normal oxygen. It transfers this onto your body's cells and destroys it by oxidation or aforementioned splitting. It does so, no matter what the concentration is. One Ozone molecule destroys one molecule in your body. Ozone is so harcore, it could be used as a war gas, if it weren't so aggressive that it became oxygen on touching anything in the air.
It is very likely that the air during or after thunderstorms is of better quality than normal air. There are two reasons: the falling water cleans the air of toxic, alkaline and sour gases, washing solid particles down. It's cleaner. It's also more humid, which is good for the lungs because your body looses less water and the lungs open up, as they constrict in dry air. So it's for sure not the ozone that's good about thunderstorm-air.
But sorry to disappoint you, it doesn't have healing powers anyway. Maybe for lung problems, but your mom has a muscle problem.
Your mom: Yeah, but did you really try quite hardcore, short and intense strength training with a LOW number of reps until movement can absolutely not be done once more? This is very different from mellow exercise. People usually refrain from this because they think it's for bodybuilders, but often it's the only thing effective for hardened muscles or cramps.
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She's too weak to do any "hardcore" exercise
But over the years we tried pretty much everything, rowing machines, weights, stretching, vibration machines
So you saying natural O3 is identical to generated one?
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: yeah]
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That's it baby
Now I just need to make sure that artificial O3 is same as nature one
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: yeah]
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Fabulous mood, fabulous response. Just read through these guys' back and forth on "common knowledge" verses measured science... And this link balances their points. Like most therapies, there is a therapeutic dosing level and a just toxic level in the end, although I am not seeing much of the toxicity part.
I wouldn't risk it even though it's probably a low one. We got an ozone layer up in the sky still right? Just let that one do its job thousands of feet up der
Edit... How the hell did I end up posting here? I apologize for messing this up. Still new here
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Nah nah nah, ozone in the sky stays there, ONLY during a massive thunderstorm it gets sucked closer to the ground WHICH is what I been saying here
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23597217 - 08/31/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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murzelfprampt
I just need to know ONE thing : is atmospheric ozone same molecular composition to artificially generated one ? I just wondering it might have "garbage" in the molecule or maybe other molecules come out together with o3?
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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Ohh, I see, I misunderstood. You want the O3 as a healing chemical, but are concerned about "cleanliness" of this O3 molecule that will come out of industrial ozone generators... You are not concerned about the O3 molecule itself being hazardous, and you see that it has the benefits you need. Well friend you have to do a lot of research on that. You know what you want (O3 in the utmost basic sense), there are other people who provide it, now you just gotta find the best provider (cleanest O3 with little to no other dangerous byproducts). Make sure to be meticulous with your research, do not just take advice from a doctor who most likely has the incentive of money. The source of advice must always be considered, like me, I don't know sheista about any of this so all I have to say in the end is to do your own research, and do it well
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Johnny u might not be aware of O3 is good but u certainly hit the nail and summed up this entire thread
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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Glad I could contribute. Appreciatin' the good vibes ~
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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It's a misconception that naturally produced ozone is pure. Nothing in nature is pure. Pure, safe chemicals are made by mankind. Take the eletric generation of ozone from wet air as an example: in presence of said H2O in the air, there will nitrous gases be made, too. In the sky during a lightning or at the electrode in electronics. But in the air outside, there will always be moisture, giving rise to said poisonous NOx gases, which are the deadly components of a car's exhaust gas by the way.
So you will only get pure ozone when using high purity dry oxygen from a gas cylinder, to make your ozone. But the again, pure ozone won't help you because it's a fucking stupid idea to inhale a highly reactive gas. Have you ever smelled ozone? Stick your nose to any low output 20$ ozone generator and smell it. It stings your nose badly, as bad as strong bleach would. The smell instinctively tells you, don't breathe this, it's not good for you, while you cough your lungs out. Been there, done that.
But yes, O stands for oxygen and that is an atom, the smallest unit of a molecule. O3 means three oxygens, nothing else. There is no "garbage" smaller than atoms. Chemistry is an exact science.
Ask a doctor upon next appointment if that's a good idea. If there are no professional, medical ozone generators for inhalation, you can be damn sure it doesn't give significant benefits as that field is thoroughly researched.
Your idea is based on sentimental memories of better days and that is most likely the strongest healing power there is, in a walk after a thunderstorm: it feels good. Mind and body are connected. What feels good for you, is good for any condition you suffer. Optimistic people heal faster and more complete.
Be honest and don't let romantic images guide you. Nature doesn't give a fuck about homo sapiens, it's not trying to heal anybody.
Stick to science. Mainstream science, no fancy shit. Your mother will thank you.
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Ok first of all air after thunderstorm has nothing to deal with it being more humid and absorbs by lungs
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Have you ever smelled ozone? Stick your nose to any low output 20$ ozone generator and smell it.
It stings your nose badly, as bad as strong bleach would. The smell instinctively tells you, don't breathe this, it's not good for you, while you cough your lungs out. Been there, done that.
And second, have I smelled O3? Yes I hav, not from a ozone generator but back there and then after a thunderstorm
I KNOW what ozone smells like, its a very light subtle almost citrusy refreshing scent and your nose DOES tell u to continue sniffing it
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
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Ps. I think Unthinking I talking about INHALING pure ozone, of corse not!!
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chemistry is a exact science
Then how can u explain that for instance cooking LSD???
There are chemistry like lsd-25 out there but they're all different, some a more purer than others, all depends on the tek cook used to synth it
So u would say lsd molecule is an lsd molecule, but it's not, it's got small changes to its molecular structure
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Okey dokey. 
Just been to department store and had a go at their "ozone generator"
Smell / feel is very very artificial, industrial and un natural. Feels like your in a hospital or like bleach smells. Now it's been 20 years since I breathed O3 after a rain in ******* but when I sniffed the air from this generator first thing came into my mind - this is wrong / bad......
It is clear to me that NATRUAL delivery of ozone is NOT the same as artificially generated one
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Mate, it is in your own interest that you get into some post-soviet natural science education. You could as well just read and try to comprehend what I spoon-fed you here.
It is very obvious that you have a way of thinking that is incompatible to how scientists argue. They'd say you are being illogical. From a psychological point of view, you are making a lot of very basic faulty assumptions. I know the soviets hate psychologists because they think men who care about feelings and thoughts were gay, but your problem is really that you fail to aknowledgde the basic principles of how homo sapiens tricks itself - you are tripping from one classic logical fallacy into the next one.
One last spoon-feeding: LSD-25 is all the same, every time, when it's PURE, what almost nothing ever is. Having experienced different trips from the same material stems from other variables present (an ubiquitous case, which I tried to explain to you, you neglect all the time) - SET SETTING greatly influences trips besides from the material ingested.
I will cease posting now, because you are, what the average westerner experiences as ignorant. Don't feel insulted, but thoroughly try to understand what I mean by what I tried to explain about your way of approaching natural science.
If you can't do that for any reason, you might cease messing with chemicals, because like initially explained, you will do more harm than good, with an ignorant approach.
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I appreciate your insightful and straight forward response, but you gotta realize you are coming off a little condescending friend, which from anyone's perspective, makes you kind of an ass. You have a right to be because you know stuff but you don't gotta be like that! Regardless I appreciate your insight, condescending as it is, and hope OP gets something from it as well without insult being taken. And OP! I found the peoples uses for this machine to be quite different from what you want to use it for, Ozone therapy. The most common thing seems to be for getting rid of very permeating cooking fumes or like other strong forms of smoke and general heavy unwanted air particles. Literally just looked at peoples' reviews on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00370BLLM?psc=1#customerReviews One person said using it a lot damages walls and furniture, and others have reported that the "ozone function" you are looking for is not recommended to have on for long periods of time with people present, and only to be used when ridding of the heaviest of fumes. So, maybe O3 is only good for you in short bursts like after a storm, because long term exposure through these kinds of machines seems to be advised against, although I am unsure of the reason. I think Murzel, as condescending as he may be, might have be right after all about the Ozone. Maybe you just gotta stick with the natural good stuff after storms even if it isn't happening enough for you
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Is anyone else seeing my post above appear as black until you hover the mouse over it? Not sure if I did that somehow on accident or if my computer is just having some strange coding error with the site
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I spent the last 20 years being taught how to not think like that. It makes you allergic to people talking outta their asses. You bet I'd to that differently next time, I don't think it makes life easier, as you can see. I'd love me some soviet romantic, you can have my shitty education.
And it's not me being condescending, it's you putting a price tag on scientific education. There was a condition to my proposal to get some scientific education: IF you wanna talk about science
All I demand is that people get a clue what they talk about or STFU.
Funny how people who pull the arrogance-card on others often are the only ones who attach value to the subject.
I don't give a fuck what people know. The one who is happier is to be learned from.
I don't talk about happiness. For a reason.
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Alright I got most of what you're saying man. I re-read through what I missed in y'alls posts and saw that you explained what standard manufacturers warn against with these Ozone machines, and OP obviously wanted to blatantly ignore that and go for his whole O3 therapy thing he thinks exists, via his purchase of the machine... Obviously he has a looot of misconceptions about chemistry.
My main issue with you is just that you obviously are much more educated than OP and still are upset with his gaps of knowledge. Are you just mad all the time? There are a lot of people like OP who get the gist of things like this, and just need things explained to them in a more reasonable way. Your "spoon feeding" of knowledge is more like tangent ridden fork feeding knowledge, so know how you actually talk. It's not light-hearted, happy, or "spoonful" like at all.
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When I reflect about that, I notice that the only thing that might upset me slightly is not gaps in knowledge, but filling them with assumptions or ignoring them. I'm jelly about that because it makes life easy and I can't seem to do that.
I could care less if the consequences were limited to the subject, but encouraging other people and inflicting damage on others that rely on that help is a whole other story.
But to be honest it's mainly because I snorted lots of amphetamine and felt like rambling, repeatedly crossing the line between being serious and making fun. It's too funny when people are on such different pages that they can't tell the difference.
So, yes, I like to be an ass at times. But I'm only condescending if you beat me to it.
At the moment, I'm a heavy-hearted, unhappy and cynic chronic pain patient. Very much like Dr. House, people say.
Like I said, I'd probably rather be you or him, but I know that humans always assume that others are happier than they are. There I go again, full of doubt until the end of my days, I don't even manage to successfully pity myself. But here's a typical thought dickish intellectuals use to cheer themselves up:
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
Charles Bukowski
See what he did there? What an arrogant ass.
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For the record
I tried / sniffed O3 from a generator, and like I said - it's off. I'm not doing any ozone therapy with it.
Only after a thunderstorm
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JohnnyCakes



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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23653446 - 09/17/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope that's empirical enough for Murzelfrumpt. Glad you got a good working nose and instinct OP. I hope you get more storms to breathe in that good prana
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Health benefits are "supposed" to be from drinking ozonized water and from enemas with said water. If you want to try it, you need a generator made for putting o3 into water. If you run a decent sized generator in a room for very long at all, you won't be staying in there to breath it. Trust me.
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Bobabouy]
#23655209 - 09/18/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What ozone does perfectly in all means is disnfection. But that's it, it just makes water sterile and the health benefits of drinking ozonized water or filling it up your ass are just the same as if you put sterile water from the pharmacy up there. Can be good, if you suffer from related conditions. But active Ozone in water, hence, a solution is no good as well, will make you sick. Wait for it to turn into oxygen and then have a go with your fine dihydrogeniumoxide.
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Electrons usually go around in pairs. But when something has just one odd electron, it reacts with something else, and leaves that with one odd electron, that then reacts with something else, again leaving one odd electron, etc etc, until it happens to run into another radical and they make a complete pair. It's not good to have too many radical reactions going on in the body. It's also not good to have oxygen radicals in general because they react with pretty much everything. But of course, the body also depends on some certain radical reactions. I don't really know how it all works with human biochemistry. But just knowing how free radicals work, it doesn't seem like it could be a great thing to let excessive oxygen radicals into your body.
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23663395 - 09/20/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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desant
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Professor screw loose here believes all O3 the same
Where's everyone else agrees that that is INDUSTRIAL O3 which has no therapeutic use and there is MEDICAL O3 which is a gem with ton of positive effects
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23667606 - 09/22/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There so many moleculanr variations ...... Not just MDMA and acid, but look at amil nitrates, there literally 100s of variations!
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23667672 - 09/22/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Makes sense. There are many drugs, so why there not be many Ozones.
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desant
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The question is how do u reproduce medical O3 ?
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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
#23668068 - 09/22/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not a broken record
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James Sloane and Markus Rothkranz talking about ozone therapy:
20:34
James Sloane's article on it:
http://medcapsules.com/info/The%20Chemistry%20of%20Ozone%20Therapy%20on%20Cancer.htm
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desant
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Right 
I'll be ordering some "food grade" h.prroxide soon
And I will drink it!
Did ya know h.peroxide is produced by your white cells to help u fight the illness?? Apparently what happens it turns into water and oxigen
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