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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: yeah]
    #23597162 - 08/31/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fabulous mood, fabulous response. Just read through these guys' back and forth on "common knowledge" verses measured science... And this link balances their points. Like most therapies, there is a therapeutic dosing level and a just toxic level in the end, although I am not seeing much of the toxicity part.

I wouldn't risk it even though it's probably a low one. We got an ozone layer up in the sky still right? Just let that one do its job thousands of feet up der

Edit... How the hell did I end up posting here? I apologize for messing this up. Still new here


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: JohnnyCakes]
    #23597194 - 08/31/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nah nah nah, ozone in the sky stays there, ONLY during a massive thunderstorm it gets sucked closer to the ground WHICH is what I been saying here :gethigh:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23597217 - 08/31/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

murzelfprampt

I just need to know ONE thing : is atmospheric ozone same molecular composition to artificially generated one ? I just wondering it might have  "garbage"  in the molecule or maybe other molecules come out together with o3?


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23597258 - 08/31/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ohh, I see, I misunderstood. You want the O3 as a healing chemical, but are concerned about "cleanliness" of this O3 molecule that will come out of industrial ozone generators... You are not concerned about the O3 molecule itself being hazardous, and you see that it has the benefits you need.
Well friend you have to do a lot of research on that. You know what you want (O3 in the utmost basic sense), there are other people who provide it, now you just gotta find the best provider (cleanest O3 with little to no other dangerous byproducts).
Make sure to be meticulous with your research, do not just take advice from a doctor who most likely has the incentive of money. The source of advice must always be considered, like me, I don't know sheista about any of this so all I have to say in the end is to do your own research, and do it well


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: JohnnyCakes]
    #23597293 - 08/31/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Johnny u might not be aware of O3 is good but u certainly hit the nail and summed up this entire thread  :super:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23597453 - 08/31/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Glad I could contribute.
Appreciatin' the good vibes ~


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: JohnnyCakes]
    #23597497 - 08/31/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Trippy vibes !!!  :cosmicpony:  :roorbong:  :trollmove:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23598623 - 08/31/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's a misconception that naturally produced ozone is pure. Nothing in nature is pure. Pure, safe chemicals are made by mankind.
Take the eletric generation of ozone from wet air as an example: in presence of said H2O in the air, there will nitrous gases be made, too.
In the sky during a lightning or at the electrode in electronics.
But in the air outside, there will always be moisture, giving rise to said poisonous NOx gases, which are the deadly components of a car's exhaust gas by the way.

So you will only get pure ozone when using high purity dry oxygen from a gas cylinder, to make your ozone.
But the again, pure ozone won't help you because it's a fucking stupid idea to inhale a highly reactive gas.
Have you ever smelled ozone? Stick your nose to any low output 20$ ozone generator and smell it.
It stings your nose badly, as bad as strong bleach would. The smell instinctively tells you, don't breathe this, it's not good for you, while you cough your lungs out.
Been there, done that.



But yes, O stands for oxygen and that is an atom, the smallest unit of a molecule. O3 means three oxygens, nothing else. There is no "garbage" smaller than atoms.
Chemistry is an exact science.

Ask a doctor upon next appointment if that's a good idea.
If there are no professional, medical ozone generators for inhalation, you can be damn sure it doesn't give significant benefits as that field is thoroughly researched.

Your idea is based on sentimental memories of better days and that is most likely the strongest healing power there is, in a walk after a thunderstorm: it feels good.
Mind and body are connected. What feels good for you, is good for any condition you suffer.
Optimistic people heal faster and more complete.

Be honest and don't let romantic images guide you.
Nature doesn't give a fuck about homo sapiens, it's not trying to heal anybody.

Stick to science. Mainstream science, no fancy shit. Your mother will thank you.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23598683 - 08/31/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok first of all air after thunderstorm has nothing to deal with it being more humid and absorbs by lungs

Quote:

 

Have you ever smelled ozone? Stick your nose to any low output 20$ ozone generator and smell it.


It stings your nose badly, as bad as strong bleach would. The smell instinctively tells you, don't breathe this, it's not good for you, while you cough your lungs out.
Been there, done that.



 




And second, have I smelled O3? Yes I hav, not from a ozone generator but back there and then after a thunderstorm

I KNOW what ozone smells like, its a very light subtle almost citrusy refreshing scent and your nose DOES tell u to continue sniffing it


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23598731 - 08/31/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I surrender.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23598748 - 08/31/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good.:thirdeyeani::rofl::gethigh:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23598775 - 08/31/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ps. I think Unthinking I talking about INHALING pure ozone, of corse not!!


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23598790 - 08/31/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

chemistry is a exact science





Then how can u explain that for instance cooking LSD??? 



There are chemistry like lsd-25 out there but they're all different, some a more purer than others, all depends on the tek cook used to synth it

So u would say lsd molecule is an lsd molecule, but it's not, it's got small changes to its molecular structure :shrug:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23614096 - 09/05/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Okey dokey. :strokebeard:


Just been to department store and had a go at their "ozone generator"


Smell / feel is very very artificial, industrial and un natural. Feels like your in a hospital or like bleach smells. Now it's been 20 years since I breathed O3 after a rain in ******* but when I sniffed the air from this generator first thing came into my mind - this is wrong / bad......


It is clear to me that NATRUAL delivery of ozone is NOT the same as artificially generated one :shrug:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23628661 - 09/09/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mate, it is in your own interest that you get into some post-soviet natural science education. You could as well just read and try to comprehend what I spoon-fed you here.

It is very obvious that you have a way of thinking that is incompatible to how scientists argue. They'd say you are being illogical.
From a psychological point of view, you are making a lot of very basic faulty assumptions.
I know the soviets hate psychologists because they think men who care about feelings and thoughts were gay, but your problem is really that you fail to aknowledgde the basic principles of how homo sapiens tricks itself - you are tripping from one classic logical fallacy into the next one.

One last spoon-feeding: LSD-25 is all the same, every time, when it's PURE, what almost nothing ever is.
Having experienced different trips from the same material stems from other variables present (an ubiquitous case, which I tried to explain to you, you neglect all the time) - SET SETTING greatly influences trips besides from the material ingested.

I will cease posting now, because you are, what the average westerner experiences as ignorant. Don't feel insulted, but thoroughly try to understand what I mean by what I tried to explain about your way of approaching natural science.

If you can't do that for any reason, you might cease messing with chemicals, because like initially explained, you will do more harm than good, with an ignorant approach.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23648558 - 09/15/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I appreciate your insightful and straight forward response, but you gotta realize you are coming off a little condescending friend, which from anyone's perspective, makes you kind of an ass. You have a right to be because you know stuff but you don't gotta be like that! Regardless I appreciate your insight, condescending as it is, and hope OP gets something from it as well without insult being taken.
And OP! I found the peoples uses for this machine to be quite different from what you want to use it for, Ozone therapy. The most common thing seems to be for getting rid of very permeating cooking fumes or like other strong forms of smoke and general heavy unwanted air particles.
Literally just looked at peoples' reviews on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00370BLLM?psc=1#customerReviews
One person said using it a lot damages walls and furniture, and others have reported that the "ozone function" you are looking for is not recommended to have on for long periods of time with people present, and only to be used when ridding of the heaviest of fumes.
So, maybe O3 is only good for you in short bursts like after a storm, because long term exposure through these kinds of machines seems to be advised against, although I am unsure of the reason. I think Murzel, as condescending as he may be, might have be right after all about the Ozone.  Maybe you just gotta stick with the natural good stuff after storms even if it isn't happening enough for you


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: JohnnyCakes]
    #23648569 - 09/15/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is anyone else seeing my post above appear as black until you hover the mouse over it? Not sure if I did that somehow on accident or if my computer is just having some strange coding error with the site


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: JohnnyCakes]
    #23648741 - 09/15/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I spent the last 20 years being taught how to not think like that.
It makes you allergic to people talking outta their asses.
You bet I'd to that differently next time, I don't think it makes life easier, as you can see.
I'd love me some soviet romantic, you can have my shitty education.

And it's not me being condescending, it's you putting a price tag on scientific education.
There was a condition to my proposal to get some scientific education: IF you wanna talk about science

All I demand is that people get a clue what they talk about or STFU.

Funny how people who pull the arrogance-card on others often are the  only ones who attach value to the subject.

I don't give a fuck what people know.
The one who is happier is to be learned from.

I don't talk about happiness. For a reason.



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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23649262 - 09/16/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Alright I got most of what you're saying man. I re-read through what I missed in y'alls posts and saw that you explained what standard manufacturers warn against with these Ozone machines, and OP obviously wanted to blatantly ignore that and go for his whole O3 therapy thing he thinks exists, via his purchase of the machine... Obviously he has a looot of misconceptions about chemistry.

My main issue with you is just that you obviously are much more educated than OP and still are upset with his gaps of knowledge. Are you just mad all the time? There are a lot of people like OP who get the gist of things like this, and just need things explained to them in a more reasonable way. Your "spoon feeding" of knowledge is more like tangent ridden fork feeding knowledge, so know how you actually talk. It's not light-hearted, happy, or "spoonful" like at all.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: JohnnyCakes]
    #23649590 - 09/16/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

When I reflect about that, I notice that the only thing that might upset me slightly is not gaps in knowledge, but filling them with assumptions or ignoring them. I'm jelly about that because it makes life easy and I can't seem to do that.

I could care less if the consequences were limited to the subject, but encouraging other people and inflicting damage on others that rely on that help is a whole other story.

But to be honest it's mainly because I snorted lots of amphetamine and felt like rambling, repeatedly crossing the line between being serious and making fun.
It's too funny when people are on such different pages that they can't tell the difference.

So, yes, I like to be an ass at times. But I'm only condescending if you beat me to it.

At the moment, I'm a heavy-hearted, unhappy and cynic chronic pain patient.
Very much like Dr. House, people say.

Like I said, I'd probably rather be you or him, but I know that humans always assume that others are happier than they are.
There I go again, full of doubt until the end of my days, I don't even manage to successfully pity myself.
But here's a typical thought dickish intellectuals use to cheer themselves up:


The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

Charles Bukowski


See what he did there? What an arrogant ass.


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