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Ozon therapy?
    #23593713 - 08/30/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ozone supposed to be good for u. I read people get healed after exposure to ozone.... In natural way u can only get ozone after a heavy thunder storm...

After living in another country for 20 years there hardly been any thunderstorms


Anyway, there few options on Amazon when it comes to ozone generators, most of them are for room freshening rather than breathing!


Anyone got any info /experience on this? My mother is ill and I am looking for things to improve her condition.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23593783 - 08/30/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Anthony Kedis was, and still may be a big proponent of it. I forget exactly why he did it. I think Hep C, but he was taking herbs for that as well. Either way, he wound up with normal liver enzyme levels after a while & stopped testing positive for Hep C. I haven't seen any science for ozone. Not that there isn't any; I just haven't looked.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23594013 - 08/30/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just ordered ozone generator

It had some good reviews

I will keep u up to date if it is any good


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23594100 - 08/30/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you can get in one of those zip up infrared saunas and run it in there, just don't breathe it in.

I have one that ozonates water but I don't use it much anymore.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: yeah]
    #23595086 - 08/30/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

From a chemists point of view, stupid and dangerous idea, just oxidizes the shit out of you.
From a psychologists point of view, most likely entirely reliant on placebo effect, what doesn't mean it doesn't help. It's just not the ozone that works.

Doesn't make any sense that I knew of. But that doesn't mean its useless.
Better inform yourself really well with TRUSTED AND SCIENTIFICALLY VALUABLE sources before attempting.
Ozone is dangerous, you could hurt someone.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23596466 - 08/31/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No no no, back in ******* where I grew up as I said we had often thunder storms, often in summer, it is widely known AND documented ozone released during the thunder storm actually heals... but whatever I already ordered the device, at worst it is a great air purifier / sanitiser :shrug:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23596885 - 08/31/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes yes yes, Ozone is nothing to play with.
You are comparing incomparable circumstances.

Compare:
lead an exhaust of an old car via tube into a warehouse with open doors. No one dies.
Lead it into the passenger room, people die.

It's about concentration. Same with Ozone, except that contrary to exhaust gases, the effect is not proven to be existent.

Out of genuine interest in the topic and the health of the people dear to you, please show me the literature you refer to.

I ordered an Ozone generator, too.
But for synthetic chemistry. Or rather ozonolytic chemistry: it breaks carbon-carbon double bonds into two aldehydes.

Your body contains many of those. When they are ozonolysed, guess what happens: you die.

Check tutorials for odor removal via Ozone. Do these how-to write-ups recommend to stay in the room and breathe deeply, or do they recommend to GTFO ASAP and to turn it off without entering the room cause it's do dangerous??
It's the latter.

I just told my girlfriend (studies physics & chemistry) and she lolled and said I should tell you that will kill your mother.
You may very well get a murder charge because it's hard to believe that someone would be ignorant enough to strap such a device to a sick person.
Because she's a nice person, she told me to give you this link:

http://www.ozonetech.com/ozone-kitchen-extract/faq/material-safety-data-sheet/

Just don't do it, for your own sake.


What does your mom have, anyway?


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23596933 - 08/31/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fine by me, I'll just use it as air purifier (without anyone in the room)



Or return it......



Mother got nasty muscle cramps which prevent her from resting/sleeping


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft] * 1
    #23596943 - 08/31/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly, your spreading of disinformation enrages me.
Be aware that your mindless blabla has consequences. People read this and think "Ozone is really good for you" and "heals", while it's not just WRONG, it's also the OPPOSITE of the truth.

Ozone is harmful in all concentrations - just like any common reasoning would suggest.
Ever heard of antioxidants? They are doing the opposite of what Ozone does - they prevent oxidation of cell contents.

Take a close look at this:




Air Quality Index Protect Your Health

Ozone conc. in parts per million.

Good

(0 to 50)
No health impacts are expected when air quality is in this range.


Moderate

(51 to 100)
Unusually sensitive people should consider limiting prolonged outdoor exertion.


Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups

(101 to 150) The following groups should limit prolonged outdoor exertion:
People with lung disease, such as asthma
Children and older adults
People who are active outdoors

Unhealthy

(151 to 200) The following groups should avoid prolonged outdoor exertion:
People with lung disease, such as asthma
Children and older adults
People who are active outdoors
Everyone else should limit prolonged outdoor exertion.


Very Unhealthy

(201 to 300) The following groups should avoid all outdoor exertion:
People with lung disease, such as asthma
Children and older adults
People who are active outdoors
Everyone else should limit outdoor exertion.

Source: https://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=ozone_health.index


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23596946 - 08/31/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There, it hasn't arrived yet so I cancelled it


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23596952 - 08/31/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just saying what this doctor said on YouTube - that he knew severely ill people and they been exposed to natural O3 after a storm in ********

And they all healed


Now I don't know what you trying to say about industrial ozone generators but NATURAL OZONE IN CERTAIN PLACE DOSE HEAL AND IS GOOD FOR YOU, but believe whatever you want, also I am not saying others should trust me, like I sad don't believe me, just ignore this


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant] * 1
    #23596970 - 08/31/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fine, saved you money.

A single person (doctor) who even has a motive for a skewed review (he makes money) is not an authority on the topic.

Please show me other literature that claims it, I won't mock you but read it and see if you may be right.
You can't just claim something and hope it becomes true by repeating it. It doesn't.

What your mother might try is very selective, short but intense muscle strength training.
That might reduce the likelihood of cramps drastically over the long term, while maybe exacerbating it shortly.
Five to ten times repeated with high weight until movement can not be repeated. Pause for one minute and do two more sets.
However women usually oppose this for irrational reasons. But it only needs five minutes per muscle group and shows benefits within a few days to weeks.
Make sure she tries, do it together with her.

Best of wishes to her, and try not to kill her anymore.
Have a nice day.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23596978 - 08/31/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Back in my country of origin EVERYONE knows O3 is good for u.  Every time after a big storm we would escape outside and breath the freshness for half an hour or so.


I just figured I could re create the effect by using a artificial O3 from a generator


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23596985 - 08/31/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for concern about my mother

We already do all kinds of exercise , stretches and massages, yoga... Etc


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23596993 - 08/31/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Would you try rembering how your country's national health was improved by this?
The mechanism, or what kinda illnesses it heals would be beneficial for me to understand.
You might have some national science lab that propagates inhaling Ozone or the like, since everyone must know from somewhere.
Would be cool to read.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23597002 - 08/31/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also I don't have any literature here from a communist country I grew up in, iit's just common knowledge in there


I'm just trying to understand, are u saying that natural O3 is dangerous or only synthetic / artificial from a generator? Cos if you saying natural O3 is just as bad as O3 from a generator that means I followed bad advice and cancelled my order


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft] * 1
    #23597024 - 08/31/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not me who says that Ozone in any concentration is bad. It's the international scientific community that does so.
To bad you did not look at the concentration/health risk tabellar I copied.
It says that 0 to 50 parts ozone per 1 million air parts are okay but everything over that harms people.
You should know that molecules produced in the lab or industry are absolutely identical to the ones of "natural origin" - O3 are three oxygens attached to each other. Usually oxygen only has two - O2. That means the Ozone wants to give off one oxygen very bad, to become normal oxygen. It transfers this onto your body's cells and destroys it by oxidation or aforementioned splitting.
It does so, no matter what the concentration is. One Ozone molecule destroys one molecule in your body.
Ozone is so harcore, it could be used as a war gas, if it weren't so aggressive that it became oxygen on touching anything in the air.

It is very likely that the air during or after thunderstorms is of better quality than normal air. There are two reasons: the falling water cleans the air of toxic, alkaline and sour gases, washing solid particles down.
It's cleaner.
It's also more humid, which is good for the lungs because your body looses less water and the lungs open up, as they constrict in dry air.
So it's for sure not the ozone that's good about thunderstorm-air.

But sorry to disappoint you, it doesn't have healing powers anyway. Maybe for lung problems, but your mom has a muscle problem.


Your mom:
Yeah, but did you really try quite hardcore, short and intense strength training with a LOW number of reps until movement can absolutely not be done once more?
This is very different from mellow exercise. People usually refrain from this because they think it's for bodybuilders, but often it's the only thing effective for hardened muscles or cramps.


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23597050 - 08/31/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

She's too weak to do any "hardcore" exercise

But over the years we tried pretty much everything, rowing machines, weights, stretching, vibration machines



So you saying natural O3 is identical to generated one? :strokebeard:


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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: desant]
    #23597092 - 08/31/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Ozon therapy? [Re: yeah]
    #23597143 - 08/31/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's it baby


Now I just need to make sure that artificial O3 is same as nature one


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