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OfflineSmawrpg
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23600411 - 09/01/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What's that, a drug of some kind? Quick ban it!

(wait is it, a plant?, can we manufacture it and patent it and sell 30 pills a month? Oh it's a plant... Yes BAN IT!)


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OfflineLucisM
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23600415 - 09/01/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
but neglect to mention all the hoops and bullshit one has to jump and dolly over in the medical world to get legal relief when they can just go and buy it off the street. None of those condescending questions, papers to sign, wraps sheets to fill, tests (often expensive and uncomfortable) A to B to C and back to A and talking to a slew of people including pain management specialists that try to tell you how you should feel.






I agree.

I got put on 10mg oxycontin for a bit several years ago, after I fell off a ladder at work.  At the time I had long hair/beard so the doctor was all like "look at this filthy bastard" and had no problems treating me that way, even though I had an MRI showing some injuries to several vertebrae, he still treated me like I was there to get pills to get fucked up on.

Shits crazy man, why would any self respecting person put themselves through that.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
    #23600473 - 09/01/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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tripp23 said:
**update**

The march for Kratom will be held on Sept. 13th, and NOT the former Sept. 8th!




Good. Holiday weeks tend not to be the best time to inconvenience Washington.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Lucis]
    #23600501 - 09/01/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'll try to remember to link it later but the prescription crack down came out to scare doctors into submission with very very little enforcement. At least almost no legal enforcement. Most of it comes from the establishment/medical office/hospital. And the sort of doctor that took your word either died or retired a decade ago.

Basically what happened was what happens all the time: irrational fear and hysteria because someone said they should be afraid.


It used to be criminal not to treat someone because of bias. Now it seems to be standard practice.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23600548 - 09/01/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mitragyna parvifolia looks potentially promising alternate candidate

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6913091_Heteroyohimbinoid_type_oxindole_alkaloids_from_Mitragyna_parvifolia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitraphylline

Doesn't contain any of the banned alkaloids but the ones it does contain are structually similar to the alklaloids in kratom


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tdubz]
    #23600656 - 09/01/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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tdubz said:
Agreed I asked asante but no reply.



I guess It's hard to reply to posts when you have a fucking gallon of mxe liquid rigged up to your asshole.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23600662 - 09/01/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Stock up everybody!

Not just on multiple kilos but on seeds and cuttings/plants too!

I have 3 kilos. I am comfortable letting those be the last I use and quitting for good when they run out, although so far it remains legal in Canada.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23600663 - 09/01/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
Mitragyna parvifolia looks potentially promising alternate candidate

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6913091_Heteroyohimbinoid_type_oxindole_alkaloids_from_Mitragyna_parvifolia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitraphylline

Doesn't contain any of the banned alkaloids but the ones it does contain are structually similar to the alklaloids in kratom



Sooo, where do i buy it? Any experience reports on it?

(At work right now, so if that's what these links are i apologize and will see as soon as i get a break)


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23600785 - 09/01/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

LuSiD enthusiast said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
Mitragyna parvifolia looks potentially promising alternate candidate

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6913091_Heteroyohimbinoid_type_oxindole_alkaloids_from_Mitragyna_parvifolia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitraphylline

Doesn't contain any of the banned alkaloids but the ones it does contain are structually similar to the alklaloids in kratom



Sooo, where do i buy it? Any experience reports on it?

(At work right now, so if that's what these links are i apologize and will see as soon as i get a break)



I don't think you can buy it yet but if it's legit I imagine places will start selling it


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23600834 - 09/01/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm currently looking to get my hands on some trees.
Will be doing tissue cultures in the future when I have the means.
Fuck the DEA, the medicine will find it's way into the hands of those who call upon it.


I've decided to keep my business running after Kratom is banned. I'm currently looking at other herbs that have as much value and market demand, but it's slim pickings.
I don't like Kava very much, but it's looking like I'll have to pick that one up.
Also planning to start selling cactus like various Trichocereus, Lophophora, Astrophytum, Ariocarpus, etc.
It's going to be an interesting process changing the whole business model.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #23600855 - 09/01/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

**Be Advised**

Quote:

People need to start writing letters to the following person. This is the assistant secretary mentioned in the DEA notice and she is the one collecting public comment. You should start out by politely introducing yourself then lead in to how long you have taken Kratom and what for. Then contrast your life before Kratom and after Kratom. Then request they not Schedule this drug until some research can take place because as we all know, once this is added as a Schedule 1, it's not coming off. Mention specific things that are propaganda, such as deaths, getting "high", vs. what you know to be true and site sources for that information. There are studies out there and kratom deserves a chance. If nobody makes noise and all the DEA hears is crickets they are going to continue. They obviously may continue no matter what but at least we can honestly say we tried. Maybe some of these websites for kratom can put this in at webform for people so the letters can be sent out automatically? I may be able to do that later today.

This seems to be the only person that emailing/calling could actually make a difference. Taken from the notice of intent:

From the Notice of intent: "Although the DEA believes this notice of intent to issue a temporary scheduling order is not subject to the notice and comment requirements of section 553 of the APA, the DEA notes that in accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(4), the Administrator will take into consideration any comments submitted by the Assistant Secretary with regard to the proposed temporary scheduling order."

Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services Contact the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH) Phone: 202-690-7694 Email: ASH@hhs.gov Postal Address: 200 Independence Avenue, SW Room 716G Washington, DC 20201 Web Site: http://www.hhs.gov/ash Media Inquiries: ashmedia@hhs.gov and 202-205-0143 Acting Assistant Secretary: Karen B. DeSalvo, M.D., M.P.H., M.Sc.

Karen DeSalvo is the one who needs their inbox flooded with comments. Then, hopefully they will mention how there was uproar before this Notice of intent was even published. There's no indication anywhere else in the Notice of intent that implies considerations to reverse the decision would. They've made their mind up, and the latest CDC report pushed this issue past the point of no return. It all happened very fast once the CDC got involved... When sculpting your message to someone like Karen, it is important to learn a bit about who she is. Here's just a little bit of info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_DeSalvo"




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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #23600879 - 09/01/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Acaterpillar said:
I'm currently looking to get my hands on some trees.
Will be doing tissue cultures in the future when I have the means.
Fuck the DEA, the medicine will find it's way into the hands of those who call upon it.


I've decided to keep my business running after Kratom is banned. I'm currently looking at other herbs that have as much value and market demand, but it's slim pickings.
I don't like Kava very much, but it's looking like I'll have to pick that one up.
Also planning to start selling cactus like various Trichocereus, Lophophora, Astrophytum, Ariocarpus, etc.
It's going to be an interesting process changing the whole business model.


Check out the one I just posted,
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Mitragyna parvifolia looks potentially promising alternate candidate

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6913091_Heteroyohimbinoid_type_oxindole_alkaloids_from_Mitragyna_parvifolia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitraphylline

Doesn't contain any of the banned alkaloids but the ones it does contain are structually similar to the alklaloids in kratom





Kratom crazy says the analgesia is weaker than that of Kratom but it may be sufficient for chronic pain patients, and in combination with Akuamma it might really do the trick and honestly be the perfect non-addictive painkiller because of Akuammine's affinity for delta-opioid receptors.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23600885 - 09/01/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, I'll see if I can source it. The Akuamma I had heard about, I didn't consider a combination of the two. :strokebeard:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #23600891 - 09/01/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've read about people combining akuamma with kratom who says they only have to take like 1/3-1/2 the amount of kratom to get the same effect so it seems promising. Also with piperine in the mix it really might work


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23601083 - 09/01/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23601289 - 09/01/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

can you post the article I can't read it for some reason.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23601319 - 09/01/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You mean like copy+paste? I will, if people don't mind me taking up the entire page lol


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23601339 - 09/01/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah if you don't mind.  I think it is relevant from the sound of it.  They want me to whitelist them on adblock, I guess that is what is preventing me from viewing the article, but I'm not willing to do that.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23601447 - 09/01/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Forbes seems to take issue with the ban also.



"...the DEA cites a CDC study published this summer that counted 660 poison control calls during a five-year period from 2010 to 2015 on behalf of people suffering untoward reactions to the herb or teas made from the plant material."

"To put kratom risks in perspective, poison control centers received 6,843 reports of young children ingesting single-load laundry pods in just the first seven months of 2016."

:mindexpanding:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23601529 - 09/01/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

The Cheshire Cat said:
Quote:

Bigbadwooof said:
Forbes seems to take issue with the ban also.



"...the DEA cites a CDC study published this summer that counted 660 poison control calls during a five-year period from 2010 to 2015 on behalf of people suffering untoward reactions to the herb or teas made from the plant material."

"To put kratom risks in perspective, poison control centers received 6,843 reports of young children ingesting single-load laundry pods in just the first seven months of 2016."

:mindexpanding:




:facepalm: How does this put put the risks in perspective again?  Without a legitimate denominator, the comparison is means very little.


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