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tdubz



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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: ImSl8]
#23596100 - 08/31/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good song...sucks the gov views are the opposite in terms of people's health in the United States. :/
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tdubz



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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tdubz]
#23596294 - 08/31/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bump.
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howsyournaggerdoin
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23596314 - 08/31/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13287689
Kratom can b grown outdoors in the warmer parts of the country. The south east looks ideal, especially Florida. And it's not like your neighbors or local cops are going to look twice at a kratom bush. It's not frost tolerant at all but you could probably cover it during cold spells.
Kratom that isnt grown in specific regions will be of very low potency similar to how coca can only be grown in certain regions.
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CookieCrumbs said: Yes and the donations are rolling in for the AKA.
I'd at least like them to put it on a lower schedule. It should at least, at least, be available for medical research.
They could only place it in a lower schedule if it had an FDA approved medical use so there needs to be more research. Ironically being schedule 1 will make research almost impossible. This pretty much ensures itll be schedule 1 forever.
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tdubz



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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#23596330 - 08/31/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sad
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CookieCrumbs
Fucked off to the pub


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#23597144 - 08/31/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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FDA is pretty... Corrupt for lack of a better word. Even if there were a handful of good studies or even hundreds of decent studies if enough people of the hand in pockets type still wanted it the law would still pass.
The government is no less corrupted than its agents.
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23597167 - 08/31/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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But then again congress and friends depends pretty heavily on government agencies to tell them what to do so... Well I suppose its possible that the government itself is not corrupted and is rather a tool of what is. Ignorantly listening to the whispers of the devil in their ear.
Would not surprise me. Most government officials behave like children. It only makes sense that they wait for someone else to tell them what to do in anything that matters. I suppose that is exactly what to do.
What a great country with such great potential made sad and dirty by those with no conscience and a weak spine.
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LuSiD enthusiast
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23597237 - 08/31/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: But then again congress and friends depends pretty heavily on government agencies to tell them what to do so... Well I suppose its possible that the government itself is not corrupted and is rather a tool of what is. Ignorantly listening to the whispers of the devil in their ear.
Would not surprise me. Most government officials behave like children. It only makes sense that they wait for someone else to tell them what to do in anything that matters. I suppose that is exactly what to do.
What a great country with such great potential made sad and dirty by those with no conscience and a weak spine.
This government is made of the type of people who would cut your foot off just to see if you had a fucking penny in your shoe.
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abltsandwich
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23597286 - 08/31/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was nice while it lasted. I won't be sad to see it go from the head shops around here. I wonder if krat'll stick around on the black market or if it'll fade away
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danielx
whatup!


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: abltsandwich]
#23597370 - 08/31/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obviously you'll still be able to buy it online, but I highly doubt you'll be seeing much of it on the black market. Why would anyone sell scheduled 1 kratom when they could sell heroin instead? Especially since the laws will likely end up draconian and an ounce of kratom could be the same as an ounce of heroin even though the former is only a few doses.
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tripp23
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23597396 - 08/31/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- Experience my nightmarish first time of smoking Ganja!

Edited by tripp23 (09/01/16 08:46 AM)
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23597463 - 08/31/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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danielx said: Obviously you'll still be able to buy it online, but I highly doubt you'll be seeing much of it on the black market. Why would anyone sell scheduled 1 kratom when they could sell heroin instead? Especially since the laws will likely end up draconian and an ounce of kratom could be the same as an ounce of heroin even though the former is only a few doses.
People sell cannabis and other bulkier things as apposed to their more potent synthetic counterparts.
Also kratom being a tree as opposed to heroin which is an extracted and manipulated substance I imagine the former will always be cheaper.
Considering the potency difference heroin could end up more cost effective though which would be a huge tragedy
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Moonshoe
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23597520 - 08/31/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a great injustice .
The drug war and prohibition are known to lead to nothing but harm.
The forces of evil strike again against the natural creations of Mother Earth herself.
I can only pray this will be over turned somehow in the states, and that this rancid idiocy won't spread to Canada.
I ordered 2.3 kilos to stockpile just in case, in addition to the one I have.
If Kratom is eventually unattainable , I will be fine and adjust without much trouble ; but that isn't the point.
This law criminalizes a whole new segment of non violent , innocent people just seeking relief from their addictions or ailments.
Karma will give these monsters their recompense.
My plea to the community is this - everyone stockpile as much as you can afford, so that we can share this medicinal plant with those who need it when it's no longer available.
Get enough for yourself and more.
Just my advice .
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Ezuma
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23597568 - 08/31/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hahahahaha
oh boy that's rich
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Moonshoe]
#23597599 - 08/31/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: My plea to the community is this - everyone stockpile as much as you can afford, so that we can share this medicinal plant with those who need it when it's no longer available.

The saddest part is sharing this plant to those in need will now be a schedule 1 offense...
Kratom snitching will no doubt become a thing as stupid/ misinformed people become "concerned" over their friends/ families use of kratom...
But I totally agree, hopefully those that really need it and will benefit the most from it will still be able to find it. The price will probably multiply though...
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danielx
whatup!


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23597602 - 08/31/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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danielx said: Obviously you'll still be able to buy it online, but I highly doubt you'll be seeing much of it on the black market. Why would anyone sell scheduled 1 kratom when they could sell heroin instead? Especially since the laws will likely end up draconian and an ounce of kratom could be the same as an ounce of heroin even though the former is only a few doses.
People sell cannabis and other bulkier things as apposed to their more potent synthetic counterparts.
Also kratom being a tree as opposed to heroin which is an extracted and manipulated substance I imagine the former will always be cheaper.
Considering the potency difference heroin could end up more cost effective though which would be a huge tragedy 
Apples and oranges unfortunately. Marijuana is easily grown in bulk locally. Kratom has to be imported in large quantities from south east asia where it grows naturally. You cant just setup a 1000wat grow light and in a few months have huge quantities of kratom. Importing large quantities of a schedule 1 drug through customs that isn't worth very much money will be a major deterrent to most vendors who wish to service the black market.
Obviously you will have no problem getting kratom, just as you have no problem getting any scheduled drug, but kratom availability as we know it will never return.
Best of luck to everyone.
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The Cheshire Cat
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23597782 - 08/31/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The petition has increased 11,000-12,000 in the past 17 hrs. Its now at 20,059/100,000.
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badchad
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat] 2
#23597790 - 08/31/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Cheshire Cat said: The petition has increased 11,000-12,000 in the past 17 hrs. Its now at 20,059/100,000.

Yeah, the petition totally misses the legal definition of "medical use" as applied to the Controlled Substances Act. It also has some questionable statements with no sources. Taken together it's a nice way of demonstrating how many drug users have no idea about how laws and regulations work. Good job guys!
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moonrockmushy
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: badchad]
#23597810 - 08/31/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a petition not a bill being proposed to the senate. It gets the idea across, and it seems like it will have no problem getting 100k or more.
Will that stop anything? Naw, but it does say you will get a response. I am curious if that will happen.
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The Cheshire Cat
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: badchad]
#23597822 - 08/31/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whoever made it should've added more research. I can agree with you on that assertion. As for legal terms, i'd rather see the drug be higher scheduled than schedule 1. Classifying the drug as schedule 1 slows down any future scientific research that could be done on the drug.
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badchad
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
#23598133 - 08/31/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Cheshire Cat said: Classifying the drug as schedule 1 slows down any future scientific research that could be done on the drug. 
It does, but not to an extreme extent. In terms of clinical research, its likely that the investigational new drug application will slow the research more than the scheduling.
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