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mapleleafmarijuana
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: badchad]
#23647305 - 09/15/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought the dea had emergency scheduling power. Doesn't that mean they can do it despite some congressional push back? You Americans are so crazy for giving an organization like that power to make things they deem unfit with no real scientific proof illegal.
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: mapleleafmarijuana]
#23647331 - 09/15/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You Americans....
Us Americans aren't even aware of these things until it comes up to fuck us in the ass.
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tripp23
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
#23647656 - 09/15/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the #CRE Forum. Please *Sign in and leave *testimony, as to why you need #Kratom.
These guys are on our side! This is how we get national attention!
http://www.thecre.com/forum8/?p=294
Light it up!
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TNK
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: mapleleafmarijuana]
#23647671 - 09/15/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mapleleafmarijuana said: I thought the dea had emergency scheduling power. Doesn't that mean they can do it despite some congressional push back? You Americans are so crazy for giving an organization like that power to make things they deem unfit with no real scientific proof illegal.
Last time I checked the DEA was formed decades before I was born.
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: TNK]
#23647709 - 09/15/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also its not like we are the only country this is happening in
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23647747 - 09/15/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also its not like we had a say in the matter. Unless you think voting for a president is a say.
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TNK
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23647757 - 09/15/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Also its not like we are the only country this is happening in 
Plus, the influence of the DEA is world wide.
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badchad
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23647763 - 09/15/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mapleleafmarijuana said: I thought the dea had emergency scheduling power. Doesn't that mean they can do it despite some congressional push back?
Yes. Congress isn't involved in the Scheduling process.
An act of congress could deschedule something, but I don't believe that has ever happened. It's a tough battle, large pharmaceutical corporations with vastly more resources, and much stronger data get scheduled all the time. Those that have gone through the scheduling process tend to see this as a slam dunk, so the lay perspective is interesting.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23647764 - 09/15/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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In a way the complacency of people in the past is to blame but clearly the ones making and enforcing crooked laws are truly at fault 
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Plus, the influence of the DEA is world wide.
You mean becouse of the way drug policy spreads and becomes the norm?
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23647791 - 09/15/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That, and America's war on drugs reaches more countries then North America.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: TNK]
#23647797 - 09/15/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just wait until we agent orange the fuck out of Bali to end this scourge. It's the only way forward at this point
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23648830 - 09/15/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck green bali.
It's that dank ass orange bali that hits you hard bro
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akira_akuma
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: globejs]
#23648835 - 09/15/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kratom is being made illegal.
The US is making another near harmless substance that helps people, illegal.
what's new?
*abandon thread*
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danielx
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: akira_akuma] 4
#23648853 - 09/15/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Video of some speakers from the kratom march in Washington DC. I appreciate seeing some respectable people dressed up like adults talking about kratom. Seeing other videos of dumbasses in weed socks and bob marley shirts I think only hurts the cause.
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The Cheshire Cat
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23651166 - 09/16/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DEA Logic: Plant contains mild opioid acting drug?
LET'S BAN THE F*&KING S#!T OUT OF IT YOU GUYS!!
Meanwhile... The true irony not just about the kratom being banned, but about the banning of opiates and opioid drugs as a whole since 1970, is that this dru.. *cough* ..this harmless looking fella below
 Can still be obtained and purchased(Legally) in the US, despite the fact it's skin disperses Dermorphin.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat] 2
#23651325 - 09/16/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude. People fucking smoke scorpion stingers.
Bottom line is quite simply: YOU CANNOT STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING HIGH
And all you do when you ban things like marijuana and kratom, relatively safe substances in their whole form and not even that harmful in extracted forms, is make people turn to shit that could kill them the moment they try it.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23651332 - 09/16/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Things like krokodil exists for such reasons.
People have their flesh and meat rot from their bones because they can have nothing else.
Christ if only someone would give those people some kratom.
warning: Gore
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The Cheshire Cat
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23651442 - 09/16/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Dude. People fucking smoke scorpion stingers.
Bottom line is quite simply: YOU CANNOT STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING HIGH
And all you do when you ban things like marijuana and kratom, relatively safe substances in their whole form and not even that harmful in extracted forms, is make people turn to shit that could kill them the moment they try it.
Whole war on drugs is a Failure.
I can totally see your view... Look at drugs that were made to mimic LSD, THC, Opiates, Meth, Benzos, MDMA... the endless amounts of synthetic drugs.
If I were to describe the DEA in the most simplistic way possible, This Gif Would Be them...
 ...an endless game of Whack a Mole.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat] 1
#23652768 - 09/17/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is hilariously a lot like my job. "why don't we just set up procedures and hire more workers at the root to prevent these problems that you've hired me to deal with?" "shut up and do your job." "...you could probably save a lot of money by just not having people fuck up instead of constantly doing damage control." *ignores me*
Ugh I don't know what is happening to the world but quality existence is dead.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23653047 - 09/17/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like another thing you'll have to get on the dark web. I thought it wasn't ethical to make something instantly illegal. Plenty of vendors are legally selling this online and with the passing of this it would make them instant felons. I guess they will have an option to forfeit their stock piles of kratom but I highly doubt many will.
Kratom is just something to stop you from buying real opioids IMO. When something like this happens its hard to not believe that they are truly trying to make people addicts to prescriptions.
Anywho I don't think it will happen this fast but who knows. I thought that the DEA had to scientifically prove it has no medical benefits and is a danger to public health where as it clearly is nearly impossible to die from and has pain killing properties (a definite medical use)....
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