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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23642061 - 09/13/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I had some red dragon and it was by far the strongest sedating strain I have tried. 2-3 grams would give me opiate sickness so I rarely took it.

IF you seriously were taking 50g a day that is probably somewhat equivalent to a harder opiate habit in some ways which explains why you would feel down :shrug:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23642069 - 09/13/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
If anything kratom helps me in the morning. I will be very out of it from staying up late and smoking a ton of cannabis and 1-2g of kratom helps a ton.

Caffeine gives me serious anxiety pretty regularly so kratom pretty much is my cup pf coffee/ tea in the morning :shrug:




I sometimes use it for the same reason. To lower anxiety to be able to knuckle down to some work in my desk job.

Back in 2005,I worked a freelance job for remotely for a company who would dole out as much work as I could handle.  With Kratom resin consumed, I'd work well into the night with full enthusiasm and eventually earned enough money to get my first house.

A lot is owed to it. :thumbup:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23642077 - 09/13/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I start to get dizzy and bad nausea from 40-50 grams and I am coming off a longterm opiate addiction.  I don't see how doses that high can even be enjoyable, unless there are other alkaloids at play which I'm not tolerant to.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23642078 - 09/13/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I like to do around 10-14g in a day for 3-4 days then 3-4 days off


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23642084 - 09/13/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
I had some red dragon and it was by far the strongest sedating strain I have tried. 2-3 grams would give me opiate sickness so I rarely took it.

IF you seriously were taking 50g a day that is probably somewhat equivalent to a harder opiate habit in some ways which explains why you would feel down :shrug:



yeah man I would choke down 20gs at a time in a glass of water. if i was on kratom i could not see straight, i would literally get cross eyed, it was horrible. i just have that personality though that I cant handle drugs that make me feel really good, i'll abuse the shit out of them. but the fact that it is norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor kept me awake and talkative and energetic even though i was physically extra sedated


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23642102 - 09/13/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

24 hours after my last kratom dose I would be feeling like a useless piece of shit. watery eyes, achey body, runny nose, lack of focus, anhedonia. was hardly taking advantage of my gym membership, i'd only go like once a week.

i never got addicted to any real opioids so I don't know what that is like but I never want to go there after this experience.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23642244 - 09/13/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Duncan Rowhl said:

I sometimes use it for the same reason. To lower anxiety to be able to knuckle down to some work in my desk job.

Back in 2005,I worked a freelance job for remotely for a company who would dole out as much work as I could handle.  With Kratom resin consumed, I'd work well into the night with full enthusiasm and eventually earned enough money to get my first house.

A lot is owed to it. :thumbup:




That is impressive man, crongrats! :kratomtee: I hope I get the same chance but I may have to move elsewhere to work and save if it becomes illegal :sad:

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moonrockmushy said:
Yeah I start to get dizzy and bad nausea from 40-50 grams and I am coming off a longterm opiate addiction.  I don't see how doses that high can even be enjoyable, unless there are other alkaloids at play which I'm not tolerant to.




I am amazed anyone can even stomache that much :eek: Doesn'y sound enjoyable to me at all but I can imegine how it would help with heavy opiate habits.

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yeah man I would choke down 20gs at a time in a glass of water. if i was on kratom i could not see straight, i would literally get cross eyed, it was horrible. i just have that personality though that I cant handle drugs that make me feel really good, i'll abuse the shit out of them. but the fact that it is norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor kept me awake and talkative and energetic even though i was physically extra sedated




I start egtting blurred vision when I near 4-5 grams in one day :lol: 10-20 grams would probably have me in a coma or at least semi paralyzed in my own vomit.

Honestly I think kratom is most enjoyable in smaller doses, at least for regular use. Once it becomes illegal I may just take occasional doses when I need to.

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24 hours after my last kratom dose I would be feeling like a useless piece of shit. watery eyes, achey body, runny nose, lack of focus, anhedonia. was hardly taking advantage of my gym membership, i'd only go like once a week.

i never got addicted to any real opioids so I don't know what that is like but I never want to go there after this experience.




That is no doubt just from overdoing it so much. Even coffee or sugar will make you feel like shit if you take too much, moderation is key.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23642270 - 09/13/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So the tracking said my kratom plants had been delivered yesterday.
I went into the post office this morning and they told me the package was in Jacksonville Florida, but is finally on it's way here. :facepalm:

How long do y'all think some small kratom plants will go without water?
The package shipped Sept. 6th, so it's already been over a week...


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #23642295 - 09/13/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well they are trees so 1 week doesn't seem too bad :shrug: It is hard to say for sure though.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Acaterpillar] * 2
    #23643048 - 09/13/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The vendor will pack them appropriately to ensure safe arrival.  I'd give them a good soak when you open them up.  Take this time of waiting to thoroughly read up about their care.

Wish I lived in a suitable climate to keep them.. Def keep us posted on their progress!


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23643569 - 09/14/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Apostle said:
STOCK UP FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!




maybe my kratom will hit me harder now that it's an illegal drug.



I've been thinking the same. Alcohol was a lot more fun when i was a minor and it was illegal. I feel like weed was more fun back when it was taboo. Krato .  Wasn't really ever a FUN drug, just the perfect substance to make the day (work specifically) bearable. Maybe when it's illegal the dea will unintentionally have put the FUN back in krafun.:rofl:


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I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke.


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Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23644248 - 09/14/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Who's very knowledgable and experienced with varies strains of Kratom in this forum? I need some advice.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23644251 - 09/14/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't eat the brown Kratom.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23644255 - 09/14/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah holy shit that's alot. I would feel like shit on half of that.

I used to be able to nod out on opiates but since my last OD I can't stand to get to that level. I just feel like hell, it's not even remotely enjoyable.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23645870 - 09/14/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Figured I'd make another post to sign and spread the petition all over.  We definitely should try for 200,000!! Please!!

Also, calling your state reps in extremely important!  You may also call the DEA offices!  Honestly, calling any and everyone in this time would not hurt.  The more people that are informed about what Kratom even is, the better/easier this fight will be!  You may click the link in my sig for a list of people to call/write!!

Petition and donations (for a law-firm to fight the DEA) are in my sig!!

I can't stress enough how important it is to keep calling and writing!  The link in my sig provides some people to call/write!!

Keep on fighting!!


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
    #23645987 - 09/14/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have written a couple people,  may have to try a few calls too.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23646945 - 09/15/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Another update, slightly disappointed that only 400 people showed.

Kratom Supporters in Action
An estimated 400-strong gathering of supporters of keeping kratom legal demonstrated in front of the White House yesterday. The American Kratom Association is said to be talking with at least one Congressman and the Office of Attorney General Loretta Lynch. It may be several weeks or months before the matter is finally discussed on the floor of Congress, but the news gives hope that any decisions on the September 30th ban will be tempered by reason and prudence. More news as it comes!

Latest Media Coverage
Several balanced articles were published in the last few days!

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-13/kratom-advocates-sip-tea-and-seethe-at-white-house-rally-against-dea-ban

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/dea-wrong-ban-cure-opioid-addiction/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kratom-effects_us_57d8426ee4b0aa4b722cdc9f

http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2016/09/13/what-the-deas-plan-to-schedule-1-kratom-will-mean-for-millions/#d117f5c72a97

http://www.thecre.com/forum11/?p=46

http://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/9/13/kratom-supporters-rally-at-white-house
Sign the Petition, Contact Your Rep
If you have not signed the petition, please do so and ask others to as well. While the temporary ban may not be averted, Congress would still have to enact a law within two or three years to make it permanent. Within months, this issue will probably be discussed in Congress, and it is better to get ahead of the game now and ensure that this is on your representatives' radar. Therefore, please CALL your representatives and let them know that the DEA's action is an extreme overreach of abuse of power.

To easily find contact information for your representatives:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

Petition:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/please-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance

For more information on how you can be a kratom activist:
http://www.americankratom.org/national_call_to_action

Thank you for devoting your energy to saving kratom, and thank you for your support over the years.


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To mingle with the Universe, and feel
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23647125 - 09/15/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Write every single member of congress of the committee of oversight and government reform

2157 Rayburn House office building
Washington DC, 20515
Phone: (202)225-5074 Fax: (202)225-3974

This link also shows their Facebook Pages and Twitter Accounts

https://oversight.house.gov/subcommittee/full-committee/


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
    #23647289 - 09/15/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Has congress ever exempted something from Scheduling?


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
    #23647303 - 09/15/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:
How many shroomery members are actually gonna call the DEA?
My guess is close to none.

I agree verbal protest is key, it won't stand against the proposal without some strong verbal backing


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