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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23635879 - 09/11/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't have much extra $ right now but I will certainly be donating at least something, hopefully through a middleman that will double down on it perhaps.
We don't have many options but we need to at least try and do something about this. If we sit back and let this happen they will no doubt pick up the pace banning plants. Before long pretty much every psychoactive and even medicinal plant will be illegal, hell I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to overturn legal cannabis in the states and cracked back down on that.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: mapleleafmarijuana]
#23635943 - 09/11/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What reason is there to cause the legal defence of being corrupted ?
That's stupid .
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Moonshoe]
#23636100 - 09/11/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you guys seen the wiki page for kratom lately? Some piece of shit is editing it and putting lies/deleting stuff.
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic]
#23636103 - 09/11/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23636105 - 09/11/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/738644196
Notice what he did here. This is just one part.
I cant change it either
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic] 3
#23636166 - 09/11/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23636175 - 09/11/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I CANT!!

But seriously its fucked up because thats the first thing people will usually look at. You see those listed side effects? Who gets seizures and psychosis from kratom it doesnt even hardly cause significant respiratory depression and thats listed also.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx] 1
#23636179 - 09/11/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ordered some for myself
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic] 1
#23636198 - 09/11/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't be surprised that any psychoactive compound can technically cause seizures. And I suppose the same could be said for triggering delusions and hallucinations in the mentally ill. the problem with saying shit like that is not putting it in any perspective at all.
People use technicalities as much as possible so it wouldn't surprise me if that's what that is. Politics. The DEA tried to do the same thing in the ban citations. It's toxic if people call posion control. People who take it can die.
Half truths are as bad as lies. Worse sometimes.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23636211 - 09/11/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I wouldn't be surprised that any psychoactive compound can technically cause seizures. And I suppose the same could be said for triggering delusions and hallucinations in the mentally ill. the problem with saying shit like that is not putting it in any perspective at all.
People use technicalities as much as possible so it wouldn't surprise me if that's what that is. Politics. The DEA tried to do the same thing in the ban citations. It's toxic if people call posion control. People who take it can die.
Half truths are as bad as lies. Worse sometimes.
And of course they won't talk about the benefits. However, In light of a recent statement that a dea spokesman gave, i am very optimistic.
I was so angry the day I seen this. Last i heard the petition already has over 109,000 votes to Not ban Kratom. I really hope it doesnt happen. Why demonize another miracle plant? ______________________________________________________________________
From this site: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/09/dea-plays-dumb-eviscerating-criticism-kratom-ban-kratom-march-september-13.html
"It looks like our efforts are already paying off: perhaps shocked by the uproar...."
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DEA spokesman Melvin Patterson said: Shame on everyone who wasn’t researching it before. Now you start hearing the stories about how it’s benefiting someone suffering from arthritis
Edited by DeeMasta (09/11/16 04:14 PM)
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23636277 - 09/11/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said:
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Love_spirit said: Don't spend any money on the legal defense. The people doing this are just opportunists scamming you for your hard earned cash. If you really want to support Kratom and ensure it's takeover buy a couple of plants. Give the plants your love not the lawyers.
That doesn't support our right to have kratom and doesn't let anyone know we're pissed off at having our rights taken away. Doing nothing but grabbing and hiding is saying: I'm content with being a criminal.
The AKA legal defense is not a scam. Lawyers and politicians are scammers, but there's not much else that can be done.
I'm with Lusid. Too many rights get silently stripped away. We will soon be a communist country and not know it.
The aka is definitely not a scam. They've successfully defended multiple states that tried to ban kratom in the past. Afaik there's only two statesthat successfully banned it.
If i could guarantee that they would repeal this action i would much rather put my money into them instead of stocking up.
But since i can't, i won't.
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23636296 - 09/11/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just do both man, even 5-10$ helps. If every kratom user in the US sent what they could spare, even just 2-3$, it could be enough to at least try and fight this.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23636895 - 09/11/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Just do both man, even 5-10$ helps. If every kratom user in the US sent what they could spare, even just 2-3$, it could be enough to at least try and fight this.
Ill have to as soon as i figure out why my card won't go through for FUCKING ANYTHING!! I swear to god it's pissing me off so much right now i can't even stock up. If i do I'll use that organization that says they'll match your donation.(maybe like 20 through them and 10 directly? Idk i would just hate to see somehow i got scammed or they were fucked and the money couldn't get matched)
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23636916 - 09/11/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I feel you, not trying to pressure you. I haven't donated or stocked up yet but I intend to do the latter if either.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23636931 - 09/11/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23636973 - 09/11/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So those one guys you posted about that said they will match donations are legit??
I just donated directly to the AKA but might send another through them.
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic]
#23637403 - 09/11/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't confirm that but someone else here said they are legit I believe. 5-10 can't hurt I am not quite sure which to go with myself
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23638159 - 09/12/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Same. Tho I did donate some thru WSS. I think I may give more directly. Not made of money but I know I can spare more than alot of people who rely on it as I do.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23638255 - 09/12/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm proud to say I donated 50. No regrets. It just sucks that it can seem like so much and so little at the same time...
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: globejs] 1
#23638518 - 09/12/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is an update:
In Defense of Kratom Efforts to prevent the imminent scheduling of kratom are creating hope that there may be a delay on the attack on its legality in the US. People of all walks of life continue to fight for the right to self-determination without unwarranted oversight. In this update, we have some news from a government watchdog and the American Kratom Association.
CRE Letter Highlights DEA Missteps The Center for Regulatory Effectiveness sent a letter written by Jim Tozzi to the DEA on Monday to demand a copy of the original letter sent in May by the DEA to the Health and Human Services department as well as criticize the actions of the DEA that lead up to the publishing of the action letter published on August 31st. The CRE is an organization run by former officials of the White House Office of Management and Budget that seeks to ensure that federal agencies comply with "good government" laws, including the Data Quality Act. The intent of the demand to the DEA appears to be to discover what information was used by the DEA to make the assessment that "consumption of kratom individually, or in conjunction with alcohol or other drugs, is of serious concern as it can lead to severe adverse effects and death."
Among the several errors cited by Tozzi include a failure to investigate and resolve interagency conflicts. A peer-reviewed article in a journal edited by the Principal Investigator of the National Institute of Child Health & Human Development concluded that "more scientific clinical human studies are necessary to determine [kratom's] potential therapeutic value," which is in stark contrast the DEA's claim of the opposite. Tozzi also described a USDA study that supported "future clinical studies" as well as additional research by nationally recognized research institutions funded by grants from the National Institute of Health. In the latter case, the research was focused on the assertion that kratom "is recognized increasingly as a remedy for opiod withdrawal by individuals who self-treat chronic pain and/or generalized substance abuse."
With the DEA's lack of evidence presented to support an immediate ban on kratom flying in the face of a pattern of scientific research into the benefits of kratom, it is abhorrent that the DEA is bypassing the normal notice-and-comment process required for regulatory actions. Tozzi goes on to describe further reasons why the DEA's behavior does not follow good policy. Read more at:
http://www.thecre.com/forum11/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CRE-DEA-Kratom-1.pdf March in DC A March on the White House has been organized for tomorrow, Tuesday the 13th, from Noon to 4pm at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington D.C.
Independent presidential candidate Robby Wells and the Botanical Education Alliance will be speaking at the rally. For more information, join the email list at:
http://www.kratommarchdc.com/ Don't be a bystander While the public outrage evoked by the upcoming kratom ban has been encouraging, and several popular media outlets such as Forbes, the Huffington Post, and the Washington Times have presented fair coverage of the herb, there is still benefit to be gained from contributing your voice. If you have not signed the petition, please do so and ask others to as well. While the temporary ban may not be averted, Congress would still have to enact a law within two or three years to make it permanent. Therefore, please CALL your representatives and let them know that the DEA's action is an extreme overreach of abuse of power. The power given to the DEA to emergency schedule a substance without normal review and comment was only meant for the most extreme and dire of circumstances, and the truth is that kratom does not warrant such action.
To easily find contact information for your representatives: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
For more information on how you can be a kratom activist: http://www.americankratom.org/national_call_to_action
Thank you for devoting your energy to saving kratom, and thank you for your support over the years.
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