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morrowasted
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23626019 - 09/08/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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danielx said: yeah all opiates cause hiccups.
Really? That seems strange, I don't know a ton about most opiates though 
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morrowasted said: no but I get nasty burps
Are you one of the people who eats a ton at once? I get mild burps from my 1-2g doses but nothing bad thankfully.
yeah I usually dose ~10g at a time
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moonrockmushy
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23626160 - 09/08/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Ah yeah I remember reading about that when I was looking into retro medicine. They called it heroin hydrochloride... Which makes me wonder which specific compounds are technically heroin. After all other opium based chemicals aren't terribly different. Least not to me in my basic understanding of chemistry.
I know that LE would probably label any 'homemade' opiate as heroin but I'm sure what is cited in the schedule 1 ban is a very specific compound or set of compounds. Hmmnumm 
Heroin is acetylated morphine. It is not strictly an opiate, technically an opioid, but it is so close to morphine that I think it gets a pass into the opiate family which is morphine and codeine. Drugs that are a few steps away from those are sometimes called "semi synthetic" like oxycodone, hydrocodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, diacetylmorphine (heroin). Some opioids like oxycodone are derived from thebaine which is found in opium but is not an opiate itself.
Fentanyl is the first really popular fully synthetic opioid. It is derived from piperidone, which I think is an amino acid compound, or at least can be synthesized from amino acids.
Whats crazy to me is that heroin was billed as a non-addictive morphine substitute. It was the suboxone of it's day.
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23626271 - 09/08/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh neat. Thanks for elaborating and educating. That was the most enlightening 2 paragraphs I've read in a while haha.
Oh and there were TONS of bogus claims about medicine that flew by back in that day. And its cuz people didn't have the internet.
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Edited by CookieCrumbs (09/08/16 03:52 PM)
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plasma
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23626278 - 09/08/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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well guys i just bought a gram of smack. gonna go ahead and make my transition onto the other side
no point in waiting for the DEA to do their fuck thing
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tripp23
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: plasma]
#23626302 - 09/08/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep signing and sharing the petition in my sig! The more people, the better! It's not over until we win!
Petition to remove scheduling power from the DEA:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-power-scheduling-dea
Edit: I got a better one 
Petition to Abolish the DEA:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/abolish-dea
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Edited by tripp23 (09/08/16 04:49 PM)
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
#23626519 - 09/08/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Um. We need a petition to change drug policy. Telling the government to disband the DEA is just telling them to give the same power to the FDA and FBI. That's what they'd do. Give scheduling power to the FDA and expand FBI ops.
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Brewmaster
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Magicman69]
#23626677 - 09/08/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: It was only a matter of time if we're being honest with ourselves. I'm surprised it took this long. Sure it's pretty benign, but it's a drug that has grown in popularity and can be found in nearly every smoke shop.
The minute smoke shops pick up a legal high it goes onto the DEA'S radar and if it becomes popular enough they ban it.
Yeah. They started selling it at the local "health food" markets here in Virginia; right next to the kava kava.
If you can get your hands on a clone it grows like a weed. But you'd have to wait a few years to get anything worth harvesting. It's a big fucking tree with the leaves being widely dispersed so you'd need a lot of room. I had one that got to be about 5 feet tall over the course of a few years but even here in the south, it needed to be brought inside for the winter..... Well one October we got an unexpected frost and it died. I used to pop a leaf in my mouth every day on the way to my car before work.
Fuck! This makes me so damn angry.
-------------------- On storing pedro tea... Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out. Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ... OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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Brewmaster
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Brewmaster] 2
#23626696 - 09/08/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Holy shit! my boy Trae Crowder is in on this!
-------------------- On storing pedro tea... Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out. Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ... OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Brewmaster]
#23626968 - 09/08/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Funny guy
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The Cheshire Cat
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Brewmaster]
#23627120 - 09/08/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"This is like the NRA banning air soft guns because nobody was using assault rifles"
 
Also my left ear loved that video.
Edited by The Cheshire Cat (09/08/16 08:17 PM)
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tripp23
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
#23627188 - 09/08/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: It was only a matter of time if we're being honest with ourselves. I'm surprised it took this long. Sure it's pretty benign, but it's a drug that has grown in popularity and can be found in nearly every smoke shop.
The minute smoke shops pick up a legal high it goes onto the DEA'S radar and if it becomes popular enough they ban it.
Precisely!!! Exactly what happened with salvia! I called this all happening exactly how I stated then, and it is now.. and not many believed me at the time.
Idk if anybody else has stated this yet But the most fucked up part is..
US 20100209542 A1
https://www.google.com/patents/US20100209542
^^^^^ that is just so beyond.. demonic, it's unbelievable.. that proof pisses me off to a level I didn't even know existed.. if theirs a word that's worse than demonic.. you get my point. Disgusting scum faggots.
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
#23627236 - 09/08/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmm well that patent is from 2010.
Why place it on emergency ban if that would be the reason why 6 years after the fact? The patent shit still doesn't make sense to me either. You don't sue people for selling willow trees if you have aspirin patented. Nor can anyone stop people selling the natural resource it is extracted from.
I'm not saying that's not the reason I'm just saying it doesn't make any fucking sense.
I suppose you can ban people from owning willow trees and eating the bark to cure their headaches. Or you could simply promote aspirin as a safer more effective medicine, like the rest of the normal capital market does.
And the FDA and every major medical facility could recommend not eating willow bark as it's unsafe and effects are questionable. Like every other herb. It wouldn't be too hard. Plenty of people say / have said kratom doesn't do shit. You know I just don't think the patent is the main reason. At all.
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Edited by CookieCrumbs (09/08/16 09:03 PM)
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23627248 - 09/08/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yup, heroin is diacetylmorphine or diamorphine. A lot, if not most, powder contains small amounts of other opiods like acetylcodeine, but diamorphine is responsible for most of its effects. However, tar contains a significant amount of them, especially 6-monoacetylmorphine, which is another very euphoric strong opiod.
I wonder if it was promoted as heavily and positively as oxycodone was.
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danielx
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
#23627321 - 09/08/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you mean like what happened to salvia? The DEA didnt schedule salvia. No reason. Its not enjoyable and it doesnt fuck with big pharm/alcohol/tobacco industry.
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musiclover420
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23627383 - 09/08/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe he means the way salvia was sold id gas stations and heashops then became notorious and was banned in several states.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23627561 - 09/08/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Um. We need a petition to change drug policy. Telling the government to disband the DEA is just telling them to give the same power to the FDA and FBI. That's what they'd do. Give scheduling power to the FDA and expand FBI ops.
I agree with you. But this petition is to awesome not to sign.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
#23627568 - 09/08/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tripp23 said:
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Magicman69 said: It was only a matter of time if we're being honest with ourselves. I'm surprised it took this long. Sure it's pretty benign, but it's a drug that has grown in popularity and can be found in nearly every smoke shop.
The minute smoke shops pick up a legal high it goes onto the DEA'S radar and if it becomes popular enough they ban it.
Precisely!!! Exactly what happened with salvia! I called this all happening exactly how I stated then, and it is now.. and not many believed me at the time.
Idk if anybody else has stated this yet But the most fucked up part is..
US 20100209542 A1
https://www.google.com/patents/US20100209542
^^^^^ that is just so beyond.. demonic, it's unbelievable.. that proof pisses me off to a level I didn't even know existed.. if theirs a word that's worse than demonic.. you get my point. Disgusting scum faggots.
I believe holy is the word your looking for. It's the stuff my mothers church runs on.(not to hate on all christians some of you still have my respect)
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23627735 - 09/09/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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At one point bayer was even selling heroin injection sets that contained a vail of heroin and a syringe.
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abltsandwich
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#23627874 - 09/09/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had no idea about Bayer's heroin history. Pretty cool trivia.
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badchad
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
#23627937 - 09/09/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tripp23 said:
Idk if anybody else has stated this yet But the most fucked up part is..
US 20100209542 A1
https://www.google.com/patents/US20100209542
^^^^^ that is just so beyond.. demonic, it's unbelievable.. that proof pisses me off to a level I didn't even know existed.. if theirs a word that's worse than demonic.. you get my point. Disgusting scum faggots.
Why? Patents and scheduling are unrelated processes.
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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