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tyrannicalrex
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic]
#23623583 - 09/07/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
#23623609 - 09/07/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well i dont think we will see much of a black mraket for this at all. I really just cant see anyone smuggling kratom. Everyone will be forced to quit. I know i am. I cant see anyone wanting kratom so bad to go thru the trouble to get it. Can it be grown in a greenhouse?
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plasma
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mental Taco]
#23623613 - 09/07/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can't any plant be grown in a greenhouse given the right nutrients and environment?
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Mr. Magic


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#23623619 - 09/07/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Meanwhile the DEA... 
Me
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: plasma]
#23623623 - 09/07/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Technically but I'm told the plants "don't do well" in greenhouses. I suppose maybe because they're technically trees and need a lot of room? I have no idea. I don't grow alot more than green beans and hot peppers in the family garden
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic]
#23623636 - 09/07/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Magic said: Meanwhile the DEA... 
Me 
Same. Thank god I have a klonipin script. I can work on getting addicted to benzos and frying my brain until it looks like burnt scrapple while kratom is banned and I can't treat my chronic pain.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23623665 - 09/07/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah from what i understand, it doesnt grow well in the USA at all really.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic]
#23623722 - 09/07/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are at least a few people growing and selling clones in the US so that simply isn't true...
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23623776 - 09/07/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm really? I didnt say it was impossible. I also said "from what i understand" which is limited obviously lol
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic]
#23623835 - 09/07/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Were about 2000 short from 100,000 sigs! Sign & share!!
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic]
#23623846 - 09/07/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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In many of the southern states I believe kratom can grow fine as long as its cared for properly, colder states could possibly grow it inside.
Its a tropical tree so it shouldn't be too much harder then many other exotic tropical plants people grow in weird places. Time is the main issue sadly.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23624393 - 09/08/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Petition only had 33 left about 20 minutes ago when i checked. Really getting anxious to see what response it gets.
I would love to see more petitions pop up about limiting dea power, and calling out corruption and shit.
Well, let's see what this response is any minute now.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23624416 - 09/08/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It got 100K, just checked. I noticed that the whitehouse has 60 days to respond though so don't get your hopes up
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23624431 - 09/08/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: In many of the southern states I believe kratom can grow fine as long as its cared for properly, colder states could possibly grow it inside.
Its a tropical tree so it shouldn't be too much harder then many other exotic tropical plants people grow in weird places. Time is the main issue sadly.
The think they biggest problem reported was kratom grown in the states and places where it's not native had a low alkaloid content.
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Magicman69
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
#23624434 - 09/08/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was only a matter of time if we're being honest with ourselves. I'm surprised it took this long. Sure it's pretty benign, but it's a drug that has grown in popularity and can be found in nearly every smoke shop.
The minute smoke shops pick up a legal high it goes onto the DEA'S radar and if it becomes popular enough they ban it.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23624546 - 09/08/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: And my brother just linked me this
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pharma-kratom-dea-patent/
Well in the patent mentioned (https://www.google.com/patents/US20100209542) they talk about treating opioid addiction with kratom extracts. Maybe this will lead to standardized extracts being available for treatment. Although it will probably take a while for them to get through clinical trials.
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This invention is related to the field of drug addiction and substance abuse. In particular, the invention utilizes compounds that facilitate reversal of drug addiction by avoiding the expression of a withdrawal syndrome. For example, natural compounds may be produced from the Kratom leaf. Compounds isolated from Kratom leaf extracts may be capable of allowing a patient to cease the administration of addictive compounds without experiencing physically debilitating withdrawal symptoms.
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] 1
#23624564 - 09/08/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i hate the DEA
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: spixce]
#23624641 - 09/08/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#23624775 - 09/08/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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howsyournaggerdoin said:
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CookieCrumbs said: And my brother just linked me this
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pharma-kratom-dea-patent/
Well in the patent mentioned (https://www.google.com/patents/US20100209542) they talk about treating opioid addiction with kratom extracts. Maybe this will lead to standardized extracts being available for treatment. Although it will probably take a while for them to get through clinical trials.
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This invention is related to the field of drug addiction and substance abuse. In particular, the invention utilizes compounds that facilitate reversal of drug addiction by avoiding the expression of a withdrawal syndrome. For example, natural compounds may be produced from the Kratom leaf. Compounds isolated from Kratom leaf extracts may be capable of allowing a patient to cease the administration of addictive compounds without experiencing physically debilitating withdrawal symptoms.
Seems a bit silly to say a drug has no medicinal value and grant patents on its medicinal compounds.
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badchad
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23624811 - 09/08/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said:
Seems a bit silly to say a drug has no medicinal value and grant patents on its medicinal compounds.
The patent process and scheduling process are separate entities. Its probably obvious that you can patent something without it being scheduled and vice versa.
Generally speaking "medicinal value" means "FDA approved," and that involves a lot of time and money. Thats why most drugs are patented before all that effort is put in.
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