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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23612681 - 09/04/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A little bit, and I do hope to try them soon. Waiting till I have access to a computer to research some more.

I'm looking out on several branches. My plan B has a C and a D.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23613254 - 09/04/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Can we please get a kratom thread stickied? Please?

Or is the shroomery not supposed to give a shit about legal drugs becoming illegal? Or would it imply that the states are important and the other countries are not? There has to be a reason and I would hate to think it's just cuz there'd be too many stickied threads at a time. I mean I loved and miss slothie too but there are 3 threads stickied in the same place. I'd say this law affects as many users as her passing does. And to some a much more real sense of being affected in a negative way. This is something we might maybe possibly be able to do something about. Instead of just cry.


How many fucking users have we lost to heroin on this forum?
I lost a friend to that shit in February. And I had an intervention with another and sent him off to rehab. Death sucks but we can't do a goddamn thing about the dead, all we can do is remember them as we try to make life better.

And this law is going to ruin alot of peoples lives. If more research could have been done and mass market more common it could have helped improve the lives of many more.



That strikes me as important. Why do the mods not think so? I trust they do and I hope there's just an unspoken rule about it.



If it is because there's so many threads stuck right now, couldn't they combine the 2 threads and keep the memorial one on it's own while sticking a kratom thread?

I mean, i don't want to downplay the significance of acidic sloths passing, but if you do this you can still have a thread that outright says in the title "memorial service" so it's not like anyone won't know it happened. The other two are just in memory threads (not time sensitive) so why not combine them into one mega-memorial thread?

Idk, I'm getting more and more pissed that this hasnt been stuck yet. It's almost like,their ignorance and refusal of acknowledgment is becoming a passive aggressive statement.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23613307 - 09/05/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Who is "they" exactly?

The admins and user base her is definitely supportive of Kratom.

i'm not sure why they haven't stickied but i wouldn't go getting upset with the staff.

You can spread the petition on several forms of social media.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23613753 - 09/05/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For those of you that have done other pain medications what medicine does kratom closely compare to without being too strong, yet providing good long lasting pain relief? How does it compare to Tramadol? I know kratom is really nothing like Vicodin Imo.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tdubz]
    #23613792 - 09/05/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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tdubz said:
For those of you that have done other pain medications what medicine does kratom closely compare to without being too strong, yet providing good long lasting pain relief? How does it compare to Tramadol? I know kratom is really nothing like Vicodin Imo.




I used to work very long factory hours, and the pace was incredibly fast. I worked with a bunch of Bosnian people also, and they are very competitive. My buddy used to give me these tiny little tramadol pills by the handful. It gave me a serious energy boost. I'm surprised I don't have severe kidney damage though.

I'm not really an opiate guy. I've taken pills here and there, but it's not really my thing. Kratom is different. The tramadol worked like speed for me, I think because I couldn't feel pain, and some placebo. I didn't even realize they were supposed to be painkillers >.<

Didn't experience much if any withdrawal. Not from kratom either. Your mileage may vary.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23613799 - 09/05/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mods you are fucking up by not sticking this thread
Should have been done long ago.

No arguments no excuses.

Just sticky it now.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tdubz]
    #23613867 - 09/05/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I do think that a mod comming and posting in here says something. They're not going to sticky it. And I trust theres a reason. And it's not a completely stupid one. (Just a mostly stupid one :smirk:)

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tdubz said:
For those of you that have done other pain medications what medicine does kratom closely compare to without being too strong, yet providing good long lasting pain relief? How does it compare to Tramadol? I know kratom is really nothing like Vicodin Imo.




Ime it depends on the strain. Some are more stimulating, some are more sedative. Reds are best for pain. Pain relief wise, as far as tolerable doses, it can get near vicodin level. But I wouldn't recommend taking doses that give more than that except on rare occasions. It builds tolerance too fast. And increases the chances of you not being able to shit for a week.

I don't like taking doses that are near oxy levels of pain relief because its an uncomfortable high. It's there, but it's not fun.



But generally no. There are types of kratom that come closer to mimicking the high and sedation of opiates and there are types that mimick the pain relief. But as a whole kratom is not like opiates. That's what makes it so good for addicts. Close enough to be comparable. Distant enough to not be in thhe same bucket.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23613903 - 09/05/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No opiate and no kratom has ever truly taken the pain completely away for me, just made me give a shit less about it. Got tattooed after eating an ounce of kratom with no tolerance and puked really hard when the needle dug into my collar bone, but that could be the fact that i ate an entire ounce of kratom and not so much the needle digging into my collarbone


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: 404]
    #23613947 - 09/05/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No opiate and no kratom has ever truly taken the pain completely away for me, just made me give a shit less about it. Got tattooed after eating an ounce of kratom with no tolerance and puked really hard when the needle dug into my collar bone, but that could be the fact that i ate an entire ounce of kratom and not so much the needle digging into my collarbone



:lol: it'd be both I'd say. It's no secret kratom causes a weak stomach.
An ounce is a bit much yeah

Tho it's strange how the brain works. I know a girl that isn't touched by any painkiller she's ever had. And that sucks cuz she's had to have multiple surgeries in the last year. Some people are stronger than I could imagine.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23614014 - 09/05/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ketamine or mxe are more effective painkillers than opiates IME


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23614021 - 09/05/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Less addictive yes
Better painkillers no


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23614514 - 09/05/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I am not so sure
MXE completely 100% obliterated the worst pain I ever had in my life
I blew my knee out during wrestling and with the MXE I felt nothing
The next day when it wore off I was in 10/10 agony .

Ketamine is used as a battlefield anesthetic for soldiers who have their legs blown off and stuff

So it's no joke for pain


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23614521 - 09/05/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Another courtesy post to sign and share the petition in my sig!! 

DC event on the 13th!  If you can't make it, another option is to create an event in your area; which a lot of people have begun to commence!

Fight on!! :cheers:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23614670 - 09/05/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Less addictive yes
Better painkillers no




Those are both very subjective.  Keaton is barely if at all addictive for many.

While dissociatives can be very habit forming and hard to turn down.

People who don't respond well to opiates might get better relief from dissociatives. But Kratom allows people to function fine on it,  In fact it helps people function better if anything. Where as the dose of most dissociatives that would completely remove pain would also cause a lot of side effects most likely.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23614812 - 09/05/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it's definitely not an answer for me. The idea is to function. If I wanted to do nothing in life I'd just be on disability eating shitty drugs smoking weed and washing it down with xanax.


I'm good on all that.



Injuries I'm sure it works well enough. General chonic pain? Improving quality of life is what most of us seek. Those of us who wish to get away from it have given up on that ime. And that's exactly what you would be doing if you relied on dissociatives nearly everyday to take away pain. That ain't no life to me.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23614868 - 09/05/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly, I need some pain relief without being completely debilitated...if I wanted to just fuck everything an life I'd just shoot up heroin, but I'm looking for a functional pain killer.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tdubz]
    #23614886 - 09/05/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I added the petition to the main post for better visibility. Lets keep this thread on the top of the forum since they don't want to sticky it.

Anything else I should add to the main post?


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23615043 - 09/05/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mxe had very very strong pain killing properties. i'm with you on that moonshoe.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
    #23615223 - 09/05/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Anything else I should add to the main post?




http://www.americankratom.org/national_call_to_action


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #23615444 - 09/05/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This thread hasn't left the front page since it was started, and there are more threads on the subject in other forums. Acidic_Sloth's threads aren't going to be merged, and the magnitude of the two is not comparable. You aren't doing yourself any favors trying to argue that they should be combined to make room for this thread to be pinned. Yes, it's disheartening; Kratom is very popular among members here. However, one perk of it is that discontinuation isn't very difficult compared to some other popular drugs.  Nobody should think that its scheduling came out of nowhere.


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