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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
    #23611699 - 09/04/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

nobody cares about kratom and your petition will accomplish nothing.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: something super extreme]
    #23611716 - 09/04/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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He likely doesnt even maintain that facebook. Probably some intern.








Very possible but at the least I imagine it could make some of the stupid people who follow him see evidence is his bullshittery :shrug:

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nobody cares about This Post and It will accomplish nothing.




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Amazing input as always :rolleyes:

Thanks for maintaining the :glittershitz: post quality I have come to expect from you :lol:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420] * 3
    #23611740 - 09/04/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

dont feed the troll


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tdubz]
    #23611860 - 09/04/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean it's something, but regardless the DEA has a track record of winning every emergency ban going back all the way to the 60's...it's wishful thinking I signed it, I'm for it, but yeah I'm already moving on to plan B. :frown:




What's plan B?  Going to a pain clinic and taking dangerous opioids?  Because sadly that seems like what a lot of people will be doing once it's over.  I'm definitely not hopeful for a turn around.  My state's police already released a statement in the news stating in October they will be incarcerating people caught with it and are already training their officers in detection/procedures for seizure.

let's say hypothetically WE win and it stops the Schedule I proposal...what then?  It will most likely still be suspended as they "research" the active constituents and develop "new medicines" for addicts.  The wish to buy privately from vendors to self-medicate will virtually be impossible (what us users have been doing for years).  Black market kratom may surface for an inflated price and who knows what will happen to the quality of it--perhaps may give dishonest criminals the ideas to lace our kratom.  We'll be buying test kits for the shit...leading to more "kratom associated deaths".


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Grylls]
    #23611976 - 09/04/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd rather it be used as regulated medicine than die out completely. Which is most likely what will happen. There's not alot of reason to smuggle it in vs other drugs and it's not practical to grow domestically in any quantity.

I'm sure it will be on the market at inflated prices. But outside the deep web it'll be near impossible to find. In a couple years the drug that was a viable alternative to opiates and suboxone will be a story that people who haven't done it probably won't believe.


LSD was banned 50 years ago and it's not really been until recently that human trials on its medicinal value has really come out. Granted kratom is not a drug that dramatically alters ones perception so maybe the scare won't hold as much salt... But either way, waiting till I'm 80 years old for the medical community to say "hmmm maybe they were right" isn't an option.

If you don't have a plan B you certainly will be going back to opiates. I'd say going to my doctor for kratom extracted medication is a better plan B than continuing to fuck my liver on anything else. Wouldn't you?
Again that's not going to happen in any time that matters when it's under schedule 1.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23611988 - 09/04/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd rather it be used as regulated medicine than die out completely. Which is most likely what will happen..



I doubt it.

It's not like there is a spot to fill in the realm of opiod pain killers. At least not one that Kratom is needed for.

what does it bring to the table that makes it different than other pain killers?

how effective are each of it's active chemicals in isolation? is there any advantage to them over traditional opiods?

is there enough anecdotal experience to suggest that there even is an advantage and will it be enough for them to invest large quantities of money for research?


I don't see it hitting the market anytime soon.

I do agree about imports though, it will go the way of Khat and people will just have to forget it was ever legal.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23612041 - 09/04/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. I just think it would be more fair and less bullshit to actually make it a medicine. It would be what they are supposed to do. Make medicine with any potential of abuse regulated, which is possible because its almost entirely imported, but still allow access to people who need and can use it responsibly.


That is what the DEAs job is. Obviously though that has never been their agenda. I wouldn't shoot anyone supporting or enforcing this sort of corruption but I'd spit in their face. Its corruption of power and of humanity.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23612065 - 09/04/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's cute to think the FDA is motivated by something outside of greed and self interest. Why would big Pharma just sit and let unregulated Kratom come in and replace their inferior Vicodin? The answer is always  WHERE IS THE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23612070 - 09/04/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

might as well punch them, you'll get assault either way.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23612097 - 09/04/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea it'd be really fucked up to just start shooting up police stations from a distance with hunting rifles or dousing random cruisers with gasoline and igniting them.

It would suck if people started exploding big propane tanks at the homes of officers.

I mean what if people just went around poisoning thier k-9 buddies to make sure they never sniffed for another drug again.

I'd hate to see motorcycle cops being ran into at high speed by big trucks and being left for dead.



This is how you get your cause discredited and public sympathy turned against you.

DO NOT HARM OTHERS, YOU WILL HARM YOUR OWN CAUSE.

Just think of the headlines: "Drugged out hippies on killing sprees demand the so-called 'legalization' of dangerous drugs!"

"Man strung out on LSD murders family of 5."


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
    #23612114 - 09/04/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23612129 - 09/04/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just get enough to tide you over for the 2 to 3 year temporary ban period and hope that's all it becomes, duh


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23612171 - 09/04/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Isolated mitragynine and 7-OH-Mitragynine are reportedly very lackluster, and may very well carry the risk of overdose. Kratom, like cannabis, is most beneficial/effective in its natural form with all alkaloids (60+) present. Most are largely to completely unstudied, but it contains opiod agonists (mitragynine), opiod antagonist(s) working directly against them, muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatories, and more. A huge benefit to kratom over traditional opiods is its lack of respiratory depression, and in many cases, its ceiling for effects.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: DustBunny]
    #23612224 - 09/04/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom isn't even a drug, it's a plant. It's a supplement for my body!


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: globejs]
    #23612238 - 09/04/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've only done kratom 3 times; the first time was just to try it out, the second time was during a trip, and the third time for a headache & anxiety. I got the Kratom after buying a pack of 100 HBWR Seeds. It was a bonus add on.

I may not use it as much as others, but banning the drug seems very naïve. Even with all the evidence showing it's benefits.

Banning a drug because of poison control calls isin't right. Or banning it because some deaths, which were caused by somebody mixing it with alcohol isn't right either.

I would be fearful of stocking up on it because the idea of having 1 kg of it on yea after it gets banned is scary. I would buy the plant seeds instead.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

But if you plan on buying it in bulk, be smart about storing it. Sure you could theoretically get busted anyways for the mushrooms you're hypothetically growing in your home(i'm not saying you are, some people are though), but buying bulks of kratom isint a terrible idea.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: DustBunny]
    #23612364 - 09/04/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the input DustBunny. I'd thought about that too but honestly haven't read into it enough to know.

Though extractions that isolate the cannabinoids in marijuana sounds hopeful. Haven't seen it yet in my state but I'll be giving it a try when I get the chance.


Since the days of my irresponsible drug use I've been careful to use drugs only as medicine. Among other things I get severe intestinal cramps that weed is a miracle at alleviating (my GI gave me antispasmodics without doing thorough testing so that wasn't an option I was comfortable with.) problem is, these days, I smoke or vape or eat an edible and have a full on panic attack. Which, I'm sure some of you know, is fucking horrible when you're high.

Cannabinoids seem like a good option because it (may) eliminate that side effect. By that measure I'd assume isolating certain agents in kratom would also help treat a specific ailment while also possibly eliminating some side effects.

Was a rough theory but if I get what you're saying kratom extractions may be viable for opioid withdrawals but not half as effective for pain management or even anxiety / depression...?


Sucks for me. Again I'd rather see that than have it die completely. But maybe that will be a form of dying out.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23612370 - 09/04/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't be silly man. I'm saying what their job SHOULD be. But, like the rest of the government, they're too busy playing games and sucking eachother off to do their job.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23612372 - 09/04/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Have you looked into Akuamma seeds? They have alkaloids that are similar to those in Kratom and many people seem to find some pain relief from them, and in fact their binding profiles seem to indicate they are less likely to lead to physical dependence than kratom.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23612474 - 09/04/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Confirmed. Pics up later. :thumbup:

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Don't be silly man. I'm saying what their job SHOULD be. But, like the rest of the government, they're too busy playing games and sucking eachother off to do their job.




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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23612533 - 09/04/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not quite, but that the natural combination of the (many) alkaloids found in kratom appear preferable to isolated Mitragynine or 7-OH-Mitragynine for most/all reasons people use kratom. That's including pain management, depression, anxiety etc. It also mentioned the fact that the isolated two may very well pose risk of respiratory depression, unlike kratom leaf.


Strains of cannabis with a high CBD to THC ratio doesn't cause anxiety like most modern strains (with high THC:CBD).


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