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OfflineApostle
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tdubz]
    #23610112 - 09/04/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Are vendors still active?

what's the chance if i place an order a week before the ban that i get it?


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23610341 - 09/04/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Apostle said:
Are vendors still active?

what's the chance if i place an order a week before the ban that i get it?




Talk to world seed supply. You can message them here on the shroomery. They are great guys!


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23610518 - 09/04/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not too high but not as cheap as i've seen either.

hmmmm, i really hope this doesn't pass :gc:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23610533 - 09/04/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

After 30 days, he says, "I could see something happen to show this is serious." To skeptics of the agency's decision, he says: “What message are you saying when you say this drug is less dangerous than that drug?”

DEA comment from Cheshire's article


:confused2: why aren't all drugs the same schedule if you want to tell people they are all equally dangerous? Lmao
That "something" he says seeing happening is a raid. Or a huge bust.


Kind of fucked up considering most of the people stocking up depend on it as medicine. Casual users, like the 15 idiots that killed themselves on cocktails of it, are not the ones that are stocking up... And they're the ones the DEA is supposedly supposed to target...


My plan B is feeling more and more like getting the fuck out of this country. Love the country itself. Hate the people. Hate the government. Doubt there are many places I won't hate the government but I might at least get the chance to be left to live in peace for a decade or 3. That's all I want man. Moving to a country without greedy morons is what I really want but thats some awfully slim pickings


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 6
    #23610587 - 09/04/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can we please get a kratom thread stickied? Please?

Or is the shroomery not supposed to give a shit about legal drugs becoming illegal? Or would it imply that the states are important and the other countries are not? There has to be a reason and I would hate to think it's just cuz there'd be too many stickied threads at a time. I mean I loved and miss slothie too but there are 3 threads stickied in the same place. I'd say this law affects as many users as her passing does. And to some a much more real sense of being affected in a negative way. This is something we might maybe possibly be able to do something about. Instead of just cry.


How many fucking users have we lost to heroin on this forum?
I lost a friend to that shit in February. And I had an intervention with another and sent him off to rehab. Death sucks but we can't do a goddamn thing about the dead, all we can do is remember them as we try to make life better.

And this law is going to ruin alot of peoples lives. If more research could have been done and mass market more common it could have helped improve the lives of many more.



That strikes me as important. Why do the mods not think so? I trust they do and I hope there's just an unspoken rule about it.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23610643 - 09/04/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah i agree!

This still sucks. I dont know what im going to do.

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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23610694 - 09/04/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The growing problem of fent laced heroin coupled with the retraction of kratom from US markets seems like a real Perfect Storm scenario as far as drugs go... This has potential to increase opiate related deaths by a bit


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: 404]
    #23610698 - 09/04/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hopefully people don't start killing politicians and attacking government buildings over this.

that'd really be a shame if folks fed up with prohibitionists just started targeting drug task forces and killing their loved ones.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23610743 - 09/04/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Apostle said:
Hopefully people don't start killing politicians and attacking government buildings over this.

that'd really be a shame if folks fed up with prohibitionists just started targeting drug task forces and killing their loved ones.



If it didn't set kratom legalization back i would encourage it to be honest. Fuck the government, what has it ever done for me?

The government is a burden of the people.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23610768 - 09/04/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea it'd be really fucked up to just start shooting up police stations from a distance with hunting rifles or dousing random cruisers with gasoline and igniting them.

It would suck if people started exploding big propane tanks at the homes of officers.

I mean what if people just went around poisoning thier k-9 buddies to make sure they never sniffed for another drug again.

I'd hate to see motorcycle cops being ran into at high speed by big trucks and being left for dead.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23610857 - 09/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Apostle said:
Yea it'd be really fucked up to just start shooting up police stations from a distance with hunting rifles or dousing random cruisers with gasoline and igniting them.

It would suck if people started exploding big propane tanks at the homes of officers.

I mean what if people just went around poisoning thier k-9 buddies to make sure they never sniffed for another drug again.

I'd hate to see motorcycle cops being ran into at high speed by big trucks and being left for dead.



I read a tip somehwere that i practiced when i moved out with friends after high school.

If you have drugs in your house and are worried about being raided, keep a spray bottle of bleach water by all the doorways to  house. When they arrive, spray the threshold of each doorway with it as much as possible. The first thing rhe dogs will smell when entering is the threshold and ideally the bleach will ruin their fucking noses.

I hated reading this as i love dogs so much. But fuck anyone who is to much of a pussy or to stupid that they have to outsource to a dog. Police k9 are not dogs. They are fucking monsters. I fantasize about running those fucking things over and backing up and parking on them all the fucking time.

Also, if you hit a police k9, if it isn't in uniform they can't charge you with assaulting an officer.(at least in my state) it's no different than getting in  a fight with an unmarked off duty officer.

Fuck the police. Kill their dogs. Everyone of them.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Apostle]
    #23610861 - 09/04/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A message for the Dallas/Fort Worth area! 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/573649889473526

Aaaannnnddddd Washington State!

https://m.facebook.com/savekratomwastate/?ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity

STOP THE DEA

VERY IMPORTANT PLEASE READ AND SHARE :
We have spoken with many people who have been advised by lawyers that the most effective way to combat this is by having each individual who has a care for this cause to contact your congressman and explain the action going on and the benefits you have had with Kratom, how much the take away of this herb would affect your life, never the less make everyday people felons at months end. What we are trying to accomplish is anyone in State legislation, (congress) do what is called a “demand Letter” to the DEA on this issue. Congressional action is needed to show the lies and false science issued about this plant in order to protect big pharmaceutical company. It is important to call in a polite manner and just share your story in a positive way.
#KRATOMSAVESLIVES #SAVEKRATOM #KRATOMMARCHDC

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BE ADVISED

These are the people responsible for signing off the Emergency Kratom ban.

Email asap when possible!

Correspondence to the department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:

U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington DC 20530-0001

The department may be contacted by phone at the following:

Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555
Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000

Peter J Kadzik
Assistant Attorney General
Contact Office of Legislation Affairs:
202-514-2141

Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison:
202-514-3465

Michael J Lewis, Office of Diversion, Drug Enforcement Administration
Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia, 22152
Telephone: 202-598-6812

Also please contact the assistant secretary of HHS Karen B Desalvo, MD, MPH, MSc

Acting Assistant Secretary for Health:

Email Address: ASH@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7694

Jim Esquea

Assistant Secretary for Legislation (ASL)

Telephone: 202-690-7627

Kevin Griffis

Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs (ASPA)

Telephone: 202-690-7850

Colleen Barros

Acting Assistant Secretary for Administration (ASA)

HHS Office of the Secretary

Email Address: asaio@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7431




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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23] * 1
    #23610910 - 09/04/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just sent Obama an email, this shits under control


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23610925 - 09/04/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You forget yo white? You aint gonna do sheeeeeeeeit cracker


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: 404]
    #23610959 - 09/04/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The country as a whole seems closer to anarchy everyday. But revolution does not happen without a little anarchy. though there eventually does need to be organization in successfulrevolutions.

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The growing problem of fent laced heroin coupled with the retraction of kratom from US markets seems like a real Perfect Storm scenario as far as drugs go... This has potential to increase opiate related deaths by a bit




Very true. I think that's what my buddy got. A month or 2 later there was an article in the newspaper about "extremely potent" heroin causing a slew of ODs.

That's the worst thing about addiction I think. As the tolerance rises people seek higher doses and more potent batches. And that's how people, no matter how otherwise responsible with their drug use, make mistakes.


That doesn't happen with kratom. With kratom your tolerance rises until you get sick of spending over an hour every day trying to stomach 60 capsules or 30 tablespoons of powder. And then you just stop. And you don't die. In either scenario.

I dunno. I quit kratom for a while cuz I heard rumors of it being able to cause liver problems. I already have liver problems from an overdose in 2009. But I decided that it was my only realistic option at the time. Mostly because I can feel when my liver swells, usually it's goddamn painful, and it happens everytime I take any OTC painkiller or vicodin. My doctor wanted me on a combination of tramadol and high doses of ibuprofen. That was as risky to me as if he had given me vicodin. But I took it to say I took it. And stopped when I spent an hour at work in the bathroom half doubled over clutching my side in a cold sweat. Kratom has never done that to me. I've always been strict on the doses and I've always taken a tolerance break when I feel the need for more or feel I need to give the liver a break (at which point I detox from everything.)  No doctor would ever tell me to do that. When and how to detox when I might need to. Responsible users take care of themselves. Responsible people do what is best for them. Doctors, no matter how good or attentive they are, can't really do that.

And IME they tend to do things that are more likely to really hurt me than to help me. I'm not going to live in a world where I'm not allowed to take care of myself. I learned ages ago that noone can or will do that for you, no matter how much they want to or say they will.

I will not live in a place that I am not allowed to do what I need to make my life better.



Sorry I've been rambling so much in this thread. Life has been hard this past year and I... Am more than a little upset that this will make everything even harder.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23611084 - 09/04/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Bump.  I am planning on hopping a train to the Capitol to demonstrate on the 13th. 

Would anyone care to join/meet me?

My feelings are that this is a matter greater than me, once this entheogen is scheduled it will have no opportunity to benefit those who need it the most.

I will be damned if Im not to try everything in my power to not allow this to happen.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23611097 - 09/04/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It doesnt do anything but help people with addiction. So its illegal...:facepalm:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23611182 - 09/04/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My response to the DEA would be, "Why not legalize everything that is less than or equal to the addictive and dependent properties of alcohol?"

You can't enforce a law banning all drugs, while taking 2 very addictive and dependent drugs like nicotine and Alcohol, and claim them as legal because of "tax purposes". Sure there are some drugs that should be watched  like heroin and meth, but the bans aren't stopping anyone. They are just running up the prices making the poor, who depend on drugs or are addicted to them, more poorer.

The government needs to take a look at their history. Prohibition of Alcohol Failed!
We now have 2 stupid amendments (21st and 18th amendments) that need to be removed from the constitution because of this! I'm not suggesting we ban alcohol, oh hecks no! I'm just asserting that alcohol should be legal anyways, and These 2 amendments are a bad excuse for the legalization of alcohol. These amendments also show us we can repeal other amendments. To put that in layman's terms, i can repeal the second amendment if I don't like guns. I support the 2nd amendment, But the 18th and 21st amendments are a bad representation of our Constitution and this country! Sure We have a checks and balances in the government today, that prevents this. But strongly i believe the 18th and 21st amendments are utterly retarded.

Why not legalize alcohol instead of placing an amendment on it to make it legal? Why was there even an 18th Amendment in the first place? Do we really have to legalize drugs by passing an amendment? If we remove two amendments, how can we be sure we won't remove others? What is the purpose of the DEA if all it does is run up the price of drugs and put addicts in prison?

I know this won't convince the DEA to legalize Kratom instead of scheduling it, but i'm just trying to sprinkle some Logic and Commonsense on the DEA's agenda to ban kratom. There are too many schedule 1 drugs out there that have medical benefits. Marijuana, MDMA, LSD, Ibogaine, and the list goes on.
Sure you could assert people would probably use the drugs for their psychoactive properties, but I could also tell you people use tobacco, alcohol, and coffee for it's psychoactive properties as well. And what makes LSD, Psilocybin or marijuana, drugs with No potential for abuse, Medical benefits in the treatment of depression, ocd and anxiety, and little to no toxicity schedule 1 drugs?
Sure theses don't compare to kratom, but kratom still has medical benefits claiming it has none is naïve. The drug should be legal anyways as an alternate to Prescription pain killers. Same with weed, but we all know this interferes with the pharmaceutical industry's ability to make money. Fuck the Pharmaceutical companies!


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat] * 1
    #23611657 - 09/04/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For any interested here is the personal page of one of the politicians who pushed for this ban apparently: https://www.facebook.com/mack.butler.12

If we get a ton of people to spam medicinal research articles and personal testimonial onto his page he will have a hard time deleting it all and blocking everyone.

Here is a short article I was planning on spamming all over his page: Experts Speak Out on Benefits of Kratom: Why it Would be a Mistake to Ban It


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23611695 - 09/04/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

He likely doesnt even maintain that facebook. Probably some intern.


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