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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23603913 - 09/02/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
:eek:

How much kratom did you eat for that? Damn :lol:



60 caps in one gulp.:rofl:

This was after i learned how to supress gag reflex. If you ball your left fist up and squeeze your thumb you will not gag no matter what you jam in your facehole.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23603933 - 09/02/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

kratem sux


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: DustBunny]
    #23603955 - 09/02/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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DustBunny said:


The argument comparing to laundry-pods ingested may not have been the best, but it wasn't nonsensical. It stated that from 2010-2015 there were 600 some-odd calls involving kratom. Whereas in just the first 7 months of 2016, or in less than 10% of the time, there were over 10x as many calls for ingesting laundry pods.




The problem is that without a denominator there isn't a relevant comparison.

There were 6k reports of laundry pod poisonings.  Out of how many?  How many people buy pods, how many were sold etc? If 100 trillion pods were sold and there were 6k deaths, we can get an idea of the liklihood of an accident.

If the 660 calls for Kratom were from the only 660 people that ordered/used it (e.g., 100% mortality) the scenario is different.

The situation is obviously not that extreme, but it illustrates the point. Without an idea of rate/use, poison center calls by themselves provide very little data for relative comparisons.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx]
    #23603992 - 09/02/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom was banned in my country (Finland) several years ago, and it did piss me off quite a bit, I did get into a little bit of legal trouble when it happened as well. But looking back at it now, it doesn't bother me that much, I managed to get quite addicted to it so I'm probably way better off without it. I remember stating to some people that I genuinely loved kratom and wouldn't ever stop using it from time to time (constant use required too much since tolerance skyrocketed on daily use). I'm probably extra prone to addictions since no other person I knew got into it, even if I did share it left and right.
But of course this situation sucks when it clearly could be used to taper people off even worse drugs.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: do it] * 2
    #23604006 - 09/02/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Box 2:  Liver Injury, Population Overall 
• From 1998 to 2003, acetaminophen was the leading cause of acute liver failure in the United States, with 48% of acetaminophen-related cases (131 of 275) associated with accidental overdose.*

  • A 2007 CDC population-based report estimates that, nationally, there are 1600 cases of ALF each year (all causes).  Acetaminophen-related ALF was the most common etiology.**

• Summarizing data from five different surveillance systems, there were an estimated 56,000 emergency room visits, 26,000 hospitalizations, and 458 deaths related to acetaminophen associated overdoses per year during the 1990-1998 period. **



Tylenol.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23604034 - 09/02/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Still need about 60,000 more signatures on that white house petition.

You guys think we'll at least make that happen? I've already shared it with everyone i could.

I cant believe im going to have a bag of powdered leaf, that could potentially be considered schedule 1 soon.

Wtf


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Mr. Magic] * 1
    #23604039 - 09/02/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Mr. Magic said:
Still need about 60,000 more signatures on that white house petition.

You guys think we'll at least make that happen? I've already shared it with everyone i could.

I cant believe im going to have a bag of powdered leaf, that could potentially be considered schedule 1 soon.

Wtf




I think will easily get 100,000 signatures. It's been 3 days, an we're at 40,000. We still have a month to go! I'm sure it will slow down a bit, but I would guess by 9/15 we will have them.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23604077 - 09/02/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do any of these damn vendors take PayPal

God damn you DEA


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: plasma]
    #23604168 - 09/02/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



Be educated and understand that in no situation is the degredation  of the world around you a legitimate or acceptable  method to help you quit any substance


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: plasma]
    #23604178 - 09/02/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I want to help those who are addicted.  The use of rhodiola rosea is one plant certain to help withdrawals.  Black cumin seed oil may be effective, but I have not yet been able to determine this. For sure the rhodiola has helped manage symptoms. I recommend stocking up and beginning a detox schedule because I want those who are dependent to be able to make this transition as painless as possible. I would take a look at how other opiate users manage withdrawals and incorporate what may work for you.  Try to avoid consistent use of another substance that could cause dependency such as opiates or benzos, the latter being even worse. My sympathies, as I have also depended on this, and still do, to help with rls that I've suffered with since a child.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: plasma]
    #23604242 - 09/02/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im curious if the march will get any media attention at all


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23604412 - 09/02/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those in opposition to kratom have done a fantastic  job spreading false/ fear mongering  information. Just yesterday I told my mom the news of the situation and her response was, "good, you don't need to be taking that shit with your heart problems." She cited info her and my brother had read about it online... it's ignorance like this that makes it hard to get support. I went on to explain the falsehood of her claims. In fact just had an ekg  and echo  of my heart and even after nearly 2 years of daily use I'm in fact healthier today than ever. It has removed me from unhealthy  habits that were ruining my life and body. Though I have used this period of recovery to learn tools for my life that will keep me from relapsing  if this ban takes place, I still fear for others and the word wide  impact of kratom prohibition


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: globejs]
    #23604460 - 09/02/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

****Attention****

Quote:

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE OF SIGNING OFF THE EMERGENCY BAN ON KRATOM!

Email asap when possible!

Correspondence to the department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:

U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington DC 20530-0001

The department may be contacted by phone at the following:

Department Comment Line: 202-353-1555
Department of Justice Main Switchboard: 202-514-2000

Peter J Kadzik
Assistant Attorney General
Contact Office of Legislation Affairs:
202-514-2141

Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Liaison:
202-514-3465

Michael J Lewis, Office of Diversion, Drug Enforcement Administration
Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia, 22152
Telephone: 202-598-6812

Also please contact the assistant secretary of HHS Karen B Desalvo, MD, MPH, MSc

Acting Assistant Secretary for Health:

Email Address: ASH@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7694

Jim Esquea

Assistant Secretary for Legislation (ASL)

Telephone: 202-690-7627

Kevin Griffis

Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs (ASPA)

Telephone: 202-690-7850

Colleen Barros

Acting Assistant Secretary for Administration (ASA)

HHS Office of the Secretary

Email Address: asaio@hhs.gov

Telephone: 202-690-7431






Just for the record, we are beginning to win!  Keep fighting!!! 

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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23] * 3
    #23604462 - 09/02/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If Kratom gets banned and donald trump gets elected we will be in the dark ages


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: tripp23]
    #23604466 - 09/02/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What happens if we do get 100,000 signatures?

Will anything really even change? Don't get me wrong, I signed it and plan on writing letters to several people on that list; but will it even change anything?

:sad:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23604467 - 09/02/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There will be a new kratom cartel  streaming it in from Canada since trump will put up the wall between us and mexico.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: globejs]
    #23604471 - 09/02/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No one would be foolish enough to sell black market Kratom when the list of more lucrative substances goes on.

Why risk selling an Oz of kratom if the penalty is the same as selling an oz of meth or heroin.

This drug will fade away. :sad:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: TNK]
    #23604484 - 09/02/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well once big pharma closes in on the market and sells prescription  caps people can start dealing those to eachother


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: globejs]
    #23604496 - 09/02/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

TheNatureKid said:
What happens if we do get 100,000 signatures?

Will anything really even change? Don't get me wrong, I signed it and plan on writing letters to several people on that list; but will it even change anything?

:sad:



Quote:

globejs said:
There will be a new kratom cartel  streaming it in from Canada since trump will put up the wall between us and mexico.




One of the most depressing posts in the thread sandwiched between the 2 most amusing. 

Almost feels like an analogy for life. As in life coming between birth and death.


But yeah I'm afraid any amount of effort from us plebs won't do a damn thing. But we can at least say that the country didnt entirely agree with the decision. Or at least enough disagreed with it that more consideration should have been taken.
How much that means to most people I dunno. But that means something to me. And it might mean something in history.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: globejs]
    #23604501 - 09/02/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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globejs said:
Well once big pharma closes in on the market and sells prescription  caps people can start dealing those to eachother




When the hell has big pharma ever capped an herb and sold it? And why would they when they have a list of drugs that can hook people and harm them and make them more money in the long term?

Don't mean to snap at you. I had a similar hope before hearing about this. Really I think its just wishful thinking. Pharma has all the reason to suppress it and few to market it.


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