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OfflineThe Cheshire Cat
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: badchad] * 2
    #23601606 - 09/01/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Could really give less a S#!T man. I would rather see all drugs get legalized. War on drugs is a Failure, same with prohibition of alcohol(more addictive drug than kratom), war on prostitution, All HUGE failures!!
If people can recover from alcoholism, i'm pretty f*&%ing sure they can recover from kratom dependence. People need to stop dictating to others what THEY do with their bodies. What they do, it's their choice.

I find it F*&king halarious i can go buy alcohol, but not buy valium or benzos because they are scheduled.  What makes Kratom Tea anymore dangerous than alcohol. Please facts...
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23601774 - 09/01/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Cheshire Cat said:
Could really give less a S#!T man.




Certainly your prerogative.

Many are of the opinion that the best way to enact change is to understand the rules, regulations, and laws surrounding them.  Nonsensical arguments about laundry pods that clearly demonstrate a lack of knowledge about a subject may not be the best way to achieve change.


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OfflineThe Cheshire Cat
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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: badchad]
    #23601809 - 09/01/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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badchad said:
Nonsensical arguments about laundry pods that clearly demonstrate a lack of knowledge about a subject may not be the best way to achieve change.




Agreed.

But let's also agree to disagree shall we.:thumbup: I'm not here to argue kratom scheduling all day.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23602091 - 09/01/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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, but not buy valium or benzos because they are scheduled.




You do know that Thienotriazolodiazepine's are legal in the USA with the exception of Alabama, Arkansas,[20] Florida,[21] Mississippi,[22] Virginia,[23] and Georgia.[24]; right?


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23602103 - 09/01/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Does kratom really help with pain and anxiety disorders?


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: JustForToday]
    #23602161 - 09/01/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it is a hell of a lot safer then heroin and scratches the itch semi-well.

One dose of Kratom and my itching desire to inject heroin quickly fades.
Doesn't work the same for everyone though.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: TNK]
    #23602289 - 09/01/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I like taking roxy.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: TNK] * 3
    #23602299 - 09/01/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They aren't legal for human consumption. There are plenty of RC benzos as well.


The argument comparing to laundry-pods ingested may not have been the best, but it wasn't nonsensical. It stated that from 2010-2015 there were 600 some-odd calls involving kratom. Whereas in just the first 7 months of 2016, or in less than 10% of the time, there were over 10x as many calls for ingesting laundry pods.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: DustBunny] * 1
    #23602337 - 09/01/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

While the comparison obviously isn't scientific, and I respect badchads quest for going about things in an educated manner, the premise behind the comment remains true. Lots of things are more toxic and more deadly then kratom that remain legal. The DEA isn't scheduling this for safety reasons.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx] * 1
    #23602416 - 09/01/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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danielx said:
The DEA isn't scheduling this for safety reasons.





Yeah, they don't like the public being able to get their hands on leaf, they want us hooked to big pharmas poisons.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Lucis]
    #23602509 - 09/01/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was prescribed vyvanse since 2012... i recently switched to adderall ir(actually the generic version), because it was cheaper insurance wise and co pay was alot less.

Pharmaceutical companies just want inside your wallet.

But yes, they are poisons. Vyvanse might be less abusive, but it's still an amphetamine. Chances of excitotoxicity, autoxidation of dopamine, free radicals, and future parkingson's disease is always a risk factor while using their medications.

I know this is off topic for kratom, but i'm speaking about pharmaceutical companies in general.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: danielx] * 2
    #23602530 - 09/01/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Petition signed and I'm not even American


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: pslyke] * 1
    #23602633 - 09/01/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@The cheshire cat, you're welcome for the signature image and username inspiration :smile: was my avatar for a few years


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: morrowasted]
    #23602722 - 09/01/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@The cheshire cat, you're welcome for the signature image and username inspiration :smile: was my avatar for a few years



Thank yea. :cool::thumbup:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat] * 1
    #23602729 - 09/01/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Cowb0yNeal00] * 2
    #23602806 - 09/01/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is so fucked. Fuck the DEA, why can't they just fuck off :sad:


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: JustForToday]
    #23603079 - 09/01/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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JustForToday said:
Does kratom really help with pain and anxiety disorders?




Kratom helps my anxiety issues to an extent. There's more involved than just medicating people with anxiety issues, I believe. It gives me a lot of energy also.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23603081 - 09/01/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Helps a lot for me with pain issues better than even some scripted pain meds.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23603084 - 09/01/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I received word from a local vendor. They said after the 29th it will become illegal and sales will no longer be available after that.


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Re: PSA: Kratom is about to be placed Scheduled 1 by the DEA [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23603101 - 09/01/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Cheshire Cat said:
I was prescribed vyvanse since 2012... i recently switched to adderall ir(actually the generic version), because it was cheaper insurance wise and co pay was alot less.

Pharmaceutical companies just want inside your wallet.

But yes, they are poisons. Vyvanse might be less abusive, but it's still an amphetamine. Chances of excitotoxicity, autoxidation of dopamine, free radicals, and future parkingson's disease is always a risk factor while using their medications.

I know this is off topic for kratom, but i'm speaking about pharmaceutical companies in general.





Without kratom I might try to get back on adderall, I am in a position where I can't smoke herb now, otherwise I would do that instead of everything because of the myriad health benefits from it.

But with adderall, or any pharmie, I find that the smallest dose is most beneficial to use.  If I ever have to take any OTC, I use the smallest amount possible, or any prescription drug too, smallest dose is best.

I figure I wouldn't be on that stuff long, so am not worried about health issues associated with it.


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