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Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered?
#23593583 - 08/30/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What did you do? My joints are stiff im tired I cant think I have had depersonilazation because of it I think. I get dizzy can barley walk and remember things im not sure if I should keep taking my antiboitics because they may actually weaken my immune system. I was wondering if ozone therapy would work a lot of people have had success apparently. This is horrible. I know someone dropped 30 iq points with lyme once they were cured it returned but its absolutely horrible im not the3 same im not living im only 21 wtf do I do?
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
#23593587 - 08/30/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im posting because a close friend has Lyme disease and is constantly looking for things that will help
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
#23593590 - 08/30/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had it real bad as a kid, and it did permanent damage to my joints....knees in particular. If you're getting the proper treatment you should get better, but depending on when it was diagnosed you may have lingering effects like me.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23593603 - 08/30/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey my buddy had lyme disease a while ago. He felt super shitty. I have no real unique advice. He told me that the standard stuff helped speed up recovery
More fruits and vegatables. He felt he couldn't eat too much meat. Specifically red meat. He told me it loaded his digestive system. So diet tubers, veggies, whole grains, healthy fats, specifically coconut oil, turkey, fish, chicken etc.
Yoga and meditation (I do these anyways but he introduced me to it). He said it helped his joints and more importantly his general outlook
Apple cider vinegar. I take 2-3 tablespoons daily 2-3 times a day. Seems excessive but he got me into it. Helps a lot with general health
sleeping as much as 9 hours if needed. He just slept at 11pm and didnt set an alarm. Got up whenever
As i said, there were no secrets like "take this pill". Just keeping up with generally healthy habits and being patient. My relative said that acupuncture helped him. But some people say that the science on acupuncture is shit. my relative begs to differ. See what works for you.Quote:
Dark_Star said: I had it real bad as a kid, and it did permanent damage to my joints....knees in particular. If you're getting the proper treatment you should get better, but depending on when it was diagnosed you may have lingering effects like me.
curious; what are your lingering effects? sounds super shitty I have a buddy and a relative who suffered. I just want your and OP's general rundown of effects
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: topdog82]
#23593614 - 08/30/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Recurring joint pain. I'm going to need my knees replaced at some point...probably in 10 years or less. Not looking forward to that.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: topdog82]
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curious; what are your lingering effects? sounds super shitty I have a buddy and a relative who suffered. I just want your and OP's general rundown of effects
Thanks man did your friend ever tell you if he was taking antibiotics? The hardest part for me is I cant think. I will bump into things when walking vision is slow no motivation, fatigue physical and mental of course.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
#23593636 - 08/30/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you taking antibiotics? That's the proper course of treatment. If not, get to a doctor stat.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
#23593641 - 08/30/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean he took antibiotics but ate fucktons of probiotics which basically helped out his stomach. Antibiotics gave him poor digestion etc. So I assume probiotics help with that
He said he was "aggresively healthy" with his habits for a while until he felt back to normal. Like I said, he stuck to basics. Maybe try acupuncture if you believe it/have the cash. Listen to your doctor
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23593649 - 08/30/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Are you taking antibiotics? That's the proper course of treatment. If not, get to a doctor stat.
I went to the doctor I was tested for lyme even and that was the recommended treatment I'm not saying I want to take them
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach] 1
#23593662 - 08/30/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even if you don't want to take them, you need to. It's a bacterial infection & the longer you let it go, the more damage that will be done. And if you start feeling better you still need to finish the course of antibiotics. It could still lead to lingering effects, but the sooner the Lyme is treated, the less those effects will be. I was in late stage Lyme when I was finally diagnosed & treated.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23593669 - 08/30/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Are you taking antibiotics? That's the proper course of treatment. If not, get to a doctor stat.
This is fact....augmentin ?sp. is the standard antibiotic which stops it in its tracks if diagnosed early. Many of the symptoms are similar to RA, which I have and have dealt with pretty effectively so far with chaga and reishi mushroom tinctures which help stabilize my autoimmune system. I've been taking them for 3 years now with pretty good results. I'm not sure how well they will work with Lyme..but they have enabled me to stop taking some of the poisons that they use to treat RA with.
Anyway, I spend a lot of time in the woods and consequently get a lot of tick bites....If one of the bites show signs of a rash or bullseye, I immediately get a round of augmentin...it's not worth the risk. Although, I think if a tick bit me...HE would be the one that got sick. lol
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach] 1
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Dark_Star said: Are you taking antibiotics? That's the proper course of treatment. If not, get to a doctor stat.
I went to the doctor I was tested for lyme even and that was the recommended treatment I'm not saying I want to take them 
why the fuck would you not take the antibiotics lol jfc hippies
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haha ok ill continue taking them
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#23593723 - 08/30/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wait. OP is complaining about Lyme and he doesn't take the antibiotics? No wonder he's got so many problems. I had it twice. Took the antibiotics. No lingering problems.
I agree hippies are stupid af
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: koods]
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I was taking them just wondering if they were helping at all.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
#23593756 - 08/30/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP, where are you? Are you sure you have Lyme?
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: koods]
#23593762 - 08/30/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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actually he has lime disease it sounds citrusy.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: koods]
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certain people say to not take antibiotics. There is some level of merit to that statement. They are a last resort to disease as they wipe out your bodies' good bacteria
So thats not to say "Never take antibiotics". People take it for the common cold. Thats silly. Its a last second resort is all. Lyme disease is serious. Hence antibiotics are needed. As I mentioned, a healthy diet and probiotics are even more essential than they normally would be for the reasons that I mentioned above. Your good bacteria get fucked by antibiotics
Apple cider vinegar, yogurt, kimchi, kombucha etc. are all solid probiotics. Try them
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: topdog82]
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Taking antibiotics for the common cold is pretty fucking stupid, yeah.
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The common cold is a virus, and antibiotics are useless against viral infections. People that take antibiotics for colds are dumb, and professionals that prescribe them within the time frame of a cold are doing a great disservice to the profession & humanity in general. That's a big reason for superbugs. Antibiotics are way over-prescribed. For diseases like Lyme though, they are necessary.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: topdog82]
#23593856 - 08/30/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got diagnosed with lyme disease a few times. The first time I got horrendously sick, had the bullseye rash, took a quick course of doxycycline and got better. All the times after that I just got one or several rashes once in a while and I would just ignore it until I started feeling really off but not as sick as the first time, then go to the doctor and they tell me it is lyme.
I live in an area with tons of deer ticks, over 50% carry lyme bacteria, and I spend alot of time in the woods. It seems likely I have it. I also always tested negative for lyme when they tested my blood, but they said I had like 3 of the spirochaets they test for and four are needed for a positive diagnosis, which seemed odd to me. I also never had any severe joint problems or anything that bad other than the first time I got infected I got a crazy fever where I was delerious.
Sorry I can't help more, but I did recover. Maybe the antibiotics worked, maybe I have some resistance, or maybe I got a strain that isn't as bad.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Dark_Star]
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Thats exactly what I am saying. I meet people on either end
"Antibiotics are poison. Fuck modern medicine"
versus "Anything my doctors tell me is true. I will regurgitate anything authoritative figures/parents/doctors tell me". Both extremes are bad news. Thinking for yourself is hard work. I was just pointing out that there was some truth to the hippie advice
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: topdog82]
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hippies should be mass executed in the streets
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: topdog82]
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Thats what bothers me about all of this there is no definite way to diagnose lyme, im glad everyone seems to be recovering however.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
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Know a guy who had it,went and had like transfusions weekly,like dialysis,there r studies going on for a new treatment,maybe try to be in a study,look online,he was bedridden for like a year,said he thinks he got it from fostering dogs for shelter
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 5150]
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I was pretty paranoid that I had Lyme disease for a while. I was having heart palpitations and my knee was sore. Truthfully I think all of my symptoms could be attributed to taking a really long hike in horrible piece of shit shoes and doing too much MXE. Regardless, I was doing a lot of research and found this guy. Some of you may think it's hippie bullshit but I don't know. Read people's reviews. Look into it. I don't really see how it could hurt.
http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Wait. OP is complaining about Lyme and he doesn't take the antibiotics? No wonder he's got so many problems. I had it twice. Took the antibiotics. No lingering problems.
I agree hippies are stupid af
anti-biotics are against the biotics, against life, that's fucking racist as hell
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Shpongle1 said: I was pretty paranoid that I had Lyme disease for a while. I was having heart palpitations and my knee was sore. Truthfully I think all of my symptoms could be attributed to taking a really long hike in horrible piece of shit shoes and doing too much MXE. Regardless, I was doing a lot of research and found this guy. Some of you may think it's hippie bullshit but I don't know. Read people's reviews. Look into it. I don't really see how it could hurt.
http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/
this is the kind of shit that results in people living a life as disabled or dying long before they should have, steve jobs bought into this sort of horse shit and died because his pancreatic cancer was being treated with shit like soursop and crystals
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Ihave lyme. I am currently on doxy. Not really helping much as of yet. if you have lyme I'd reccomend finding snd llmd in your area.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Othyem]
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Doxy as well, took some sealantro pinella and sparga with it and feel a lot better.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/
this is the kind of shit that results in people living a life as disabled or dying long before they should have, steve jobs bought into this sort of horse shit and died because his pancreatic cancer was being treated with shit like soursop and crystals

Healing crystals have holy atoms, bro.
Science can't answer everything.
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Shpongle1 said: I was pretty paranoid that I had Lyme disease for a while. I was having heart palpitations and my knee was sore. Truthfully I think all of my symptoms could be attributed to taking a really long hike in horrible piece of shit shoes and doing too much MXE. Regardless, I was doing a lot of research and found this guy. Some of you may think it's hippie bullshit but I don't know. Read people's reviews. Look into it. I don't really see how it could hurt.
http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/
this is the kind of shit that results in people living a life as disabled or dying long before they should have, steve jobs bought into this sort of horse shit and died because his pancreatic cancer was being treated with shit like soursop and crystals

Lol. Entirely different dude, are you seriously comparing crystals to fucking herbal remedies right now? I have two friends who are the farthest thing from hippies, and their LLMD has them on a lot of the same shit haha. Do you just see plants and think its worthless or something?
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http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/
You have to do a Lyme-tek. Take a whole Lyme, and squeeze the juices out until your pants become wet from diarrhea. Take several pictures, and one with you having diarrhea in a pretty girl's dress. A pretty fat girl's dress.
Then you go to the doctor and get treated for Lyme disease. Very simple tek but some people get confused.
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And what do you think the doctors will put you on for longterm lyme management exactly? Do you think they just pump you full of high doses of doxycycline for the rest of your life? A huge part of what they put you on is a shit ton of vitamins and herbal extracts.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Shpongle1]
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they help alot more than people who recommend herbal extracts
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
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my dad got it around this time last year. hes fine now.
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Some of you guys look so silly man... Trying so hard to act like you're not hippies that you renounce the idea that herbal extracts and plants have any place at all in medicine. Shit's funny. From the University of Maryland Medical Center (but you guys know better than them of course):
"What is herbal medicine?
Herbal medicine, also called botanical medicine or phytomedicine, refers to using a plant's seeds, berries, roots, leaves, bark, or flowers for medicinal purposes. Herbalism has a long tradition of use outside conventional medicine. It is becoming more mainstream as improvements in analysis and quality control, along with advances in clinical research, show the value of herbal medicine in treating and preventing disease."
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I give no thoughts to being a hippie or not a hippie. As far as I am concerned that is an arbitrary distinction, which I realize makes me a hippy, but herbalism is a pseudoscience for the most part, even tho all the drugs I take are herbs.
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How can you call it a pseudoscience when there is tons of clinical research being done on it that shows how effective it is in many cases? I mean... that's exactly what SCIENCE is haha. Now if you guys go believing clueless practitioners rather than trained and educated botanists and herbalists, sure that's foolish. But I am not advocating such behavior in the slightest. You guys doubt the healing properties of reishi mushrooms as well (as one example)? Educate yourselves.
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How do you cite clinical research without providing sources. That's exactly what BULLSHIT is.
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I just provided a source that proved my point that there is much clinical research being done that sides in favor of the benefit of herbs and plant medicine. I'm not doing more than that. There is a much to search from. Try Google, they're pretty good. I'm not going to spoonfeed you information that is readily available. That is the most annoying thing about internet discussion and disagreements. If I was quoting some obscure idea that needed a specific source to verify, then sure. If you don't know how to verify the legitimacy of the use of herbs and extracts in medicine then it's just not worth having a discussion with you, no offense.
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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I'll admit I wasn't really following. I didn't realize you posted a bullshit source. Doxycycline ftw lyme disease survivor here real truth.
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K you're missing my point bro. I'm talking about long term treatment. AKA people with chronic lyme disease. You can't just take doxycycline for the rest of your life, you will fuck yourself up immensely. Lyme does not always just go away, it depends how soon it is diagnosed. If it's diagnosed late stage, a lot of people cannot kill it with antibiotics.
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Shpongle1]
#23598730 - 08/31/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I don't know what I'm talking about. Gerbalism actually sounds pretty cool.
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#23598935 - 08/31/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The buhner protocol has helped a lot of people and is herbal. I am going to be doing combo antibiotic therapy in cunjunction with herbal. I l've had lyme for a couple of years before getting tested and having it show on the western blot. So I am a little more fucked. I also tested positive for babesis which sucks.
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#23598945 - 08/31/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Simpson oil has been a god send for managing symptoms. I'd recommend it for anyone with lyme. There have been anecdotal cases were people have become complety symptom.free from its use.
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: Othyem]
#23599056 - 08/31/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had neuroborreliosis, which is basically Lyme disease in your brain, and then some. I did about a year and a half of varied antibiotics, including a PICC line to my heart with Rocephin. It's important to use medicines that cross the blood-brain barrier. I had numerous brain lesions. I could not remember how to drive home. My head shrieked every day in pain.
It did NOT get better for a long time. Subsequent testing revealed I also had Babesia WA-1, a brutal little bitch of a coinfection requiring entirely different medications, not antibiotics (anti-malarials are used). Beginning treatment made it so much worse I wouldn't have minded dying, frankly.
I could barely string sentences together. I could not remember the beginning of a conversation long enough to follow it to the end and respond meaningfully.
My advice is: Find a lyme-literate doctor. They're called LLMDs. They know their shit.
It's not fast and it's not pretty.
Lyme is a clinical diagnosis based on symptoms and history. Tests can rarely be relied on. The ELISA (the usual "first tier" test) is wrong over 50% of the time (per a Johns Hopkins study). Mine was negative despite a known bite and rash. The western blot I fought for (the 'second tier test') was CDC positive. You don't need to try to figure this out if you get a good doctor.
You CAN get better from this shit. I can now think of two things at once and I remember where shit is (mostly). It's not a short road. I didn't do any crispy-hippie remedies - there's no shortcut around the real deal. You need antibiotics that can cross the blood brain barrier. That can kill encysted B. burgdorferi bacteria where it hides in cells. It's not an easy route but find a good doctor and don't give up. If I had stayed with my idiot neurologist I'd be vegetative by now with a diagnosis of MS.
I hate effing ticks. Take care of yourselves. Our love of mushrooms puts us squarely in the path of this evil shit.
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shoulda drank more herbal tea duh
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Queen of Kings said: I had neuroborreliosis, which is basically Lyme disease in your brain, and then some. I did about a year and a half of varied antibiotics, including a PICC line to my heart with Rocephin. It's important to use medicines that cross the blood-brain barrier. I had numerous brain lesions. I could not remember how to drive home. My head shrieked every day in pain.
It did NOT get better for a long time. Subsequent testing revealed I also had Babesia WA-1, a brutal little bitch of a coinfection requiring entirely different medications, not antibiotics (anti-malarials are used). Beginning treatment made it so much worse I wouldn't have minded dying, frankly.
I could barely string sentences together. I could not remember the beginning of a conversation long enough to follow it to the end and respond meaningfully.
My advice is: Find a lyme-literate doctor. They're called LLMDs. They know their shit.
It's not fast and it's not pretty.
Lyme is a clinical diagnosis based on symptoms and history. Tests can rarely be relied on. The ELISA (the usual "first tier" test) is wrong over 50% of the time (per a Johns Hopkins study). Mine was negative despite a known bite and rash. The western blot I fought for (the 'second tier test') was CDC positive. You don't need to try to figure this out if you get a good doctor.
You CAN get better from this shit. I can now think of two things at once and I remember where shit is (mostly). It's not a short road. I didn't do any crispy-hippie remedies - there's no shortcut around the real deal. You need antibiotics that can cross the blood brain barrier. That can kill encysted B. burgdorferi bacteria where it hides in cells. It's not an easy route but find a good doctor and don't give up. If I had stayed with my idiot neurologist I'd be vegetative by now with a diagnosis of MS.
I hate effing ticks. Take care of yourselves. Our love of mushrooms puts us squarely in the path of this evil shit.
God thats horrible your incredibly strong just fro surviving that congratulations. May I ask what antibiotics you used? Also I dont think anyone needs to think herbal medicine cant be effective for some treatments in conjunction with antibiotics whether its Lyme or some other illness many conventional medicine thats used today was derived from a plant or herb or whatever the fuck you want to call it its not hippy bullshit. It can save lives and real doctors do recommend that occasionally depending on the situation. Think of all the amazing alkaloids discovered in plants that have been shown promising results in destroying cancer or helping other illness in such a significant way its pretty much a miracle. Wish I could think of some examples right now but I am tired lol and I dont think its healthy to downplay it by calling it hippy bullshit or something similar to that. That being said im not arguing that Lyme requires a course of antibiotics nor am I trying to recommend anyone follow some untested protocol. But no need to put a stigma on plants that could save someones life thats not healthy or a safe thing to do and its kinda offensive. ( I was trying to format that in a short block didnt really do a good job sorry if thats hard to read)
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Re: Lyme Disease Anyone Recovered? [Re: 2141zach]
#23599442 - 08/31/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's been fortunately quite a few years since I had lyme and babesia.
I did a long course of doxycycline. (Blech, plus sunburn.) I did about a month of IV Rocephin. Then a period of high dose amoxicillin + probenecid, then Zithromax/Biaxin combination. Some Flagyl too but I could barely tolerate it. Treatment for babesia is a standard Mepron/Zithromax/Artemisinin regimen. It had to be repeated twice to clear the infection from my blood. I was on antibiotics about a year and a half. It was a good six months in before I began to get better.
I believe there is a place for alternative medicines. Artemisinin is one such and it's an important part of treating babesiosis. I took heavy duty probiotics all through treatment. I grow and consume lion's mane capsules and also reishi and shiitake extracts. I believe they boost your immune system and help you stay well, and lion's mane can actually re-grow damaged neural connections. However, without antibiotics I seriously doubt you can cure lyme disease.
Finding a doctor who treats according to ILADS guidelines might be the most important thing you can ever do for yourself.
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